War

[Sir T]

I had a chance to get into PL a year and a half ago and should have taken it up. Those guys are good. Very very good. Anyone that says they don't have what it takes don't know what they hell "takes" is. There is a reason BOB have been terrified of going up against them and pretended they didn't want Fountain anyway. I've seen with my own eyes 10 PL go up against 50 BOB and winning. And now they are sending their pleb in to try and soften them up (rather than take them on themselves) while trying to smack their ability. Typical.

The PL guys I've seen talking about this are ECSTATIC.

[Jayce]

The PL guys I've seen talking about this are ECSTATIC.

And Goons are jealous that someone else gets to lay the smack down on this bad news bears collection of 0.0 misfits.

[Endie]

PL is what every goon dreams to become  ;-p

They're good at small scale harassment and griefing tactics (nano hacs and capital hot drops, claoaked gatecamps, etc). They don't do the main scale warfare and are kind of parasites that show up in conflicts other parties generated. It has nothing to do with their size, but rather with their chosen gameplay style. They will never become a powerblock like BoB or GS or NC, because they don't have what it takes to run laggy as fuck fleetbattles or weeks long pos warfare operations.

/loses three titans to PL, two of them to PL-created traps

/refuses to engage hostile dreads within range of PL

/runs scared of engaging PL and their 15-odd high-end moons for a year while trying to hoover up every other moon next door to them

/posts official luckyduck (lol luckyduck) morale blog line about the insignificance of PL

/leans back

[Meester]

Members of the GBC not currently active in Curse and surrounding regions may possibly be invading Fountain from Delve (Aridia too?).

Goodfellas, Blade, HUN Reloaded, R.U.R. Confederation Of Independent Corporations, Beachboys etc. I think the odd Freelancer Alliance member has been spotted in the area too.

[Phildo]

Read about it on Eve-O

[Pennilenko]

Read about it on Eve-O

Im never going to those forums again. I dont want to get smacked in the face with internet cock.

[Moosehands]

Members of the GBC not currently active in Curse and surrounding regions may possibly be invading Fountain from Delve (Aridia too?).

Goodfellas, Blade, HUN Reloaded, R.U.R. Confederation Of Independent Corporations, Beachboys etc. I think the odd Freelancer Alliance member has been spotted in the area too.

Goodfellas muscled GROON out of the Z3V area a couple weeks back by suddenly showing up in massive numbers with multiple caps 23/7.  Now I see why: staging zone.

[Sir T]

In other news. PL just offered to let BOB actually undock for 50 mill per person...

{edit} explanation: Basically BOB were heading out to try and kill some TCF towers. But then they tried to undock with their big fleed a 30 man PL HAC gang hammered the crap out of them and would not let them undock. 24 battleship kills + change later (to a loss of 7 ships) PL were asking for ransoms to let BOB go and kill the towers...

I hear PL are overhyped.

[Endie]

Yeah I forgot:

/gets camped into staging system by smaller PL gang

Think of the effect on morale of Luckyduck (dumbass extrordinaire), Dianabolic and others going out of their way to reassure their "peons" that PL are irrelevant little pests, and that in Luckyduck's words to claim that Bob beats PL every time they engage them with a fleet, and then to have the whole Bob+Exe fleet (well, all that they could muster) having to cower in a station while a substantially smaller PL gang camps them in?

[Meester]

Members of the GBC not currently active in Curse and surrounding regions may possibly be invading Fountain from Delve (Aridia too?).

Goodfellas, Blade, HUN Reloaded, R.U.R. Confederation Of Independent Corporations, Beachboys etc. I think the odd Freelancer Alliance member has been spotted in the area too.

Goodfellas muscled GROON out of the Z3V area a couple weeks back by suddenly showing up in massive numbers with multiple caps 23/7.  Now I see why: staging zone.

Well the Band of Brothers still own Y-2ANO, so they could use that too, unless for some reason they cannot? I know R.U.R. and Axiom Empire (Blade. corps too I think) have used that particular outpost in the past.

[JoeTF]

See, that's exactly what I told you - PL are goon's personal gods.

BTW, when did PL engage our fleet last time? Oh wait... Dian's words actually still hold true.

[Phildo]

It seems like every time they try to engage your fleet they end up sitting outside of a station.   

[Sir T]

See, that's exactly what I told you - PL are goon's personal gods.

BTW, when did PL engage our fleet last time? Oh wait... Dian's words actually still hold true.

I though you said you lost your last titan to PL and not Goonswarm? Would that not make them scary?

Actually what we are driving at is that PL are BOB personal nightmare, who BOB would rather saw off their right arm than fight. So the lack of Fleet fights with BOB is hardly surprising because BOB wont fight them. Everytime PL turns up BOB docks. Or tries to undock and gets slaughtered such as what happened the other night

Anyway big fight tonight. BOB&friends blobbed up as usual, but "disengaged with extream speed" when began getting hammered by serious opposition in LJ-, and then got doomsdayed to hell while running by XXdeath, and are now screaming on CAOD that they really did win because they were outnumbered. Which obviously means they lost the early stages of MAX as they outnumbered the opposition... No, BOB logic doesn't make sense no matter how you spin it. Anyway the howling on CAOD shows they need to cover the scale of their hammering.

Anyway the BOB killmails with 3 Doomsdays on them are entertaining.

[setar]

Yet, oddly enough, PL was packing up and preparing to leave Fountain not too long ago (during the failed Requiem campaign there) when everyone expected BOB to steamroll the area. Not my assessment, by the way, but pointed out by PL members.

Don't get me wrong, they are very good at what they do, but Eve is still a number's game. They have a lot more freedom when they can do drive-bys, hotdrop on existing fights and be highly mobile. Besides, it's much more fun than an extended POS warfare campaign. Different ways to approach the game, I think; one is to build Empires and affect the large scale story development of the game, the other is to maximize the fun of combat and griefing.

And that's coming from someone who's consistently pointed out that PL probably had the biggest impact of all entities during the Delve campaign by systematically dismantling BOB's infrastructure. It's somewhere in my tinfoil thread, but damned if I can find it right now.

[Sir T]

Oh Shadoo is on the record that he expected to hold Fountain for about 4 - 6 weeks and they were whoring the moon mines for all they were worth to get maximum isk. But BOB never came. And they have repulsed every invasion since. Basically they have been waiting to get booted out for ages and have been pretty open about it and looking to have an epic battle when it happens. But Bob does not dare administer the rape and everyone else that has tried has failed.

[Slayerik]

PL will be heroes to goons for as long as they are useful. I've seen it before, last time it was AAA.

To be fair, PL are good at what they do, moreso then AAA every proved when it comes to hotdropping caps on unexpecting targets. I can say this cause I used to roll with plenty of the guys that are PL now. PL kinda remind me of Tri Mk 1, and as long as they don't go for real land holding they will be a solid force in any war they are involved in.

[setar]

Btw, I hope you don't mind me following up on individual pieces, but...

BOB&friends blobbed up as usual

Huh? 200 BOB/Exe conventional fleet vs 450 NC (including 150 capitals) is 'blobbing it up' on the BOB side? Report here, follow-ups by RZR and TCF pilots do not disagree with the numbers. Rough killboard numbers would seem to agree.

[Sir T]

Btw, I hope you don't mind me following up on individual pieces, but...

BOB&friends blobbed up as usual

Huh? 200 BOB/Exe conventional fleet vs 450 NC (including 150 capitals) is 'blobbing it up' on the BOB side? Report here, follow-ups by RZR and TCF pilots do not disagree with the numbers. Rough killboard numbers would seem to agree.

Yes, because you didn't see, like I did, 150+ AAA & Stain (not including caps) head off down there from RIT to blob up with them as usual. They quietly turned around and came back when BOB got hammered running off to (I assume) link up with them. And considering that its been 400+ GBC vs 250 NC for the past week (and NC generally came out even or ahead on Kills) and BOB kept screaming they won those battles, its now quite rich for them to be howling that they won it on a moral sense because they were outnumbered for a change, especially since they had no intention of fighting outnumbered as they were hot dropping enemy capitals.

Ahh well, I'm sure we will see them all in RIT tomorrow.

In any case, the comedy kill of the day does to the AAA nagalfar that warped out in structure from sieging a Goonswarm Pos. Unfortunately he warped to a moon.. with another Goonswarm deathstar on it, and went "oh shi..."

[JoeTF]

See, that's exactly what I told you - PL are goon's personal gods.

BTW, when did PL engage our fleet last time? Oh wait... Dian's words actually still hold true.

I though you said you lost your last titan to PL and not Goonswarm? Would that not make them scary?

Actually what we are driving at is that PL are BOB personal nightmare, who BOB would rather saw off their right arm than fight. So the lack of Fleet fights with BOB is hardly surprising because BOB wont fight them. Everytime PL turns up BOB docks. Or tries to undock and gets slaughtered such as what happened the other night

Anyway big fight tonight. BOB&friends blobbed up as usual, but "disengaged with extream speed" when began getting hammered by serious opposition in LJ-, and then got doomsdayed to hell while running by XXdeath, and are now screaming on CAOD that they really did win because they were outnumbered. Which obviously means they lost the early stages of MAX as they outnumbered the opposition... No, BOB logic doesn't make sense no matter how you spin it. Anyway the howling on CAOD shows they need to cover the scale of their hammering.

Anyway the BOB killmails with 3 Doomsdays on them are entertaining.

Oh mommy, that was good one.

As already pointed by setar, but you're so misinformed here it's amusing.

It was 200 vs 450+4 titans+150 caps (no caps on our side). We disengaged the moment we got intel that another 150 enemy reinforcement arrived one jump out of the system.
We dodged 5 Doomsdays, killed 4 capitals and were literally mopping the floor with their conventional fleet for about two hours. When enemy reinforcements arrived, we managed to disengage and leave the system without suffering any causalities. Then our traveling fleet got double doomsdayed by drone russian hot drop and I have to say, that was some awesome execution from their part. I took less than 5 minutes from decision of disengaging to getting into klmnt and they stilll managed to prepare the trap (it took our FCs less than 2 seconds to realize it was a titan hot drop though, even better props to them:P).


All in all, it was awesome fight that restored my faith in BoB.


Out of curiosity, you  really believe that "Everytime PL turns up BOB docks."?

[setar]

Yes, because you didn't see, like I did, 150+ AAA & Stain (not including caps) head off down there from RIT to blob up with them as usual.

This is hilarious, sorry. So 'blobbing it up' now means 'attacking a group twice your size while there are allies somewhere within 30 jumps'. Love it. The -A- fleet was off, indeed, just not to help BOB but to our own target (I was with that fleet); the only group who _did_ have even more blob incoming was NC.

You know, I am doing my best here to take a step back when reporting, not assuming what the other side was thinking, but if this all about propaganda.. I can play that game, too ;-)

[jape]

Bit too much ePeen waving, veiled smack, and general bad attitude these days on this forum. 

Used to be nice place to read about ongoing wars. Not so much anymore.

[Endie]

Bit too much ePeen waving, veiled smack, and general bad attitude these days on this forum. 

Used to be nice place to read about ongoing wars. Not so much anymore.

This isn't shitheap challenge: that passive-aggressive stuff doesn't wash here, and neither does backseat moderation in a thread that has gone on just fine for 100 pages.

In summary, everyone except me, Mahrin, Joe and LC if he gets back just be quiet and let us continue our duel :D

[jape]

In summary, everyone except me, Mahrin, Joe and LC if he gets back just be quiet and let us continue our duel :D

niiiice

[setar]

Might be able to get a free pass from Mahrin. I miss the FIX days.

[Sir T]

We dodged 5 Doomsdays, killed 4 capitals and were literally mopping the floor with their conventional fleet for about two hours...

...

All in all, it was awesome fight that restored my faith in BoB.


Out of curiosity, you  really believe that "Everytime PL turns up BOB docks."?

You know Joe you really, ahh, do suffer from cognitive dissonance...

http://www.northern-coalition.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=333372

*Engages enemy fleet outnumbered for the first time in this war ever*

*Takes two to one losses*

"Yes we were mopping the floor with them! Really! We win!"

uh random example...

http://www.northern-coalition.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=331179

*Engages enemy with 2 to one odds in your favour*

*takes two to one losses*

"We won that in a moral victory!"

So taking 2 to 1 losses while outnumbered and taking 2 to 1 losses while outnumbering the enemy restored your faith? That's nice.

Out of curiosity, you  really believe that "Everytime PL turns up BOB docks."?

Oh no I never suggested that. You did undock, and lost 26 battleships and some other crap before redocking and never undocking again. You did kill 7 pl though. But at least the 100+ of you did engage the 30 PL outnumbered.

[Endie]

Joe is right, though: as he is always reminding us (and as was mentioned dozens of times in the Bob forum porn thread on Kugutsumen), Goons are pretty awful at Eve so we have to look up to Pandemic Legion as a group who are better than us.  Bob and AAA used to be better too, but the war in 2007 popped Bob's bubble and when they and SE, AAA, S-C, Exe, ROL and the rest of their pets had such a hard time doing anything against us they must all have been a bit embarassed.

One caveat: Stain Empire are also waaaay better than Bob and AAA (and us): pound for pound they are pretty awesome at this game, and although I've never been in a losing fleet fight against them, given their size (even when backed up by Coven and their erstwhile pets Atlas), that's no shame.  It makes sense since quite a few of them were pretty much the better PvPers in AAA.

Anyway, these days it's the North and PL who are proven to be best in the game, especially after Max Hilarity, and Goons are notoriously prone to hero-worship, so PL is who we've plumped for right now.

Not long now (< three hours?) until towers start coming out in Catch and the RIT triangle etc.  Sadly I'll be watching my dad getting "read in" at his latest church, so I'll not be around to see what happens.  I imagine, given that we showed how easy it is for truly awful players to defend in Eve these days, that Bob and their pets will defend succesfully at first, just as we did: the first few Red Pen ops are easy to populate.  Of course, what happens over the following weeks may be different vOv.

At least that still leaves Evil Thug on schedule to have us out of Feythabolis "within a year" (I love that he thought anyone would fall for that).

[Sir T]

Yeah, Stain are first class players. Annoying as hell but I will never take that away from them.

[NiX]

I don't understand the point behind bitching about numbers in a fights. Fights aren't fair, they're about winning and talented people overcome numbers. Like PL

[setar]

Actually what we are driving at is that PL are BOB personal nightmare, who BOB would rather saw off their right arm than fight. So the lack of Fleet fights with BOB is hardly surprising because BOB wont fight them. Everytime PL turns up BOB docks. Or tries to undock and gets slaughtered such as what happened the other night

Every. Single. Time. Fewer generalizations might be useful.

Edit: Although the PL report is wonderful. If it wasn't for Kugutsumen I'd really heart those guys.

[Sir T]

Every. Single. Time. Fewer generalizations might be useful.

Edit: Although the PL report is wonderful. If it wasn't for Kugutsumen I'd really heart those guys.

*sigh*

Look, if you really want me to turn into Mr Pedantic Shit keep pulling crappy statements like that out.

But just for your info when I posted what you quoted it was the 10th of January. That battle happened on the 11th of January. So if you want to smack me for what I wrote bieng 100% true at the time I had wrote it and not getting out my set of tarot cards, go ahead. Its nice that BOB put in a special effort in the next 24 hours though. And as ever since they got their propaganda victory (outnumber 3 to 1 and lose lots of ships lol) they are once again sitting in station and bieng camped by PL and goon black ops.

And please don't point me at SHC. I had to read it enough before and I lost enough brain cells in that place...

[Endie]

Setar is being a little disingenuous here (which is a nice way to say he's dumb or forgetting to tell the truth).

(a) Bob had 50% greater numbers, their usual prerequisite for engaging.

(b) Shadoo announced in advance in the op thread that he would be warping his fleet to zero in what was explictly stated would be a suicidal move.

(c) PL are already back to camping H-ADOC complete with its 200 hostiles.

[Sparky]

Yeah we got owned.  Need less PL love in this thread, it's a bit over the top.  Sure you're not all WShatner alts?

[Sir T]

Yeah we got owned.  Need less PL love in this thread, it's a bit over the top.  Sure you're not all WShatner alts?

Yep, BOB won that one. PL got owned. Fair's fair.

[setar]

Setar is being a little disingenuous here (which is a nice way to say he's dumb or forgetting to tell the truth).

Which is why I linked to the original explanation that explained exactly what you stated...

[Endie]

Yeah we got owned.  Need less PL love in this thread, it's a bit over the top.  Sure you're not all WShatner alts?

You don't get it: this isn't about PL.  It's about what mentioning PL does to Bob members and their pets.  See the above page for evidence.