Patch 2.4 and Season 5

[SurfD]

Random question for anyone who has done them, but what kind of tuning (damage and survivability wise) are the set dungeons tweaked to?  Like, dont even try it if you cant do T10 kind of thing?  or do they scale with chosen difficulty?

[MrHat]

Random question for anyone who has done them, but what kind of tuning (damage and survivability wise) are the set dungeons tweaked to?  Like, dont even try it if you cant do T10 kind of thing?  or do they scale with chosen difficulty?

They have their own difficulty level regardless of Torment.

[Ragnoros]

Random question for anyone who has done them, but what kind of tuning (damage and survivability wise) are the set dungeons tweaked to?  Like, dont even try it if you cant do T10 kind of thing?  or do they scale with chosen difficulty?

They have their own difficulty level regardless of Torment.

Just did the Firebird's last night. It felt on par with T6, perhaps T7.

[Merusk]

I'm not 100% sure that's the case. I couldn't do the set dungeon at all on Monday but I was running Torment 6 or 7 at the time. The ranged guys fucked me up pretty bad and I couldn't survive past the second pack.

I dropped down to Torment 3 Tuesday for the seasonal boss achieves and didn't have a problem at all completing the set dungeon. I didn't make any major gear changes between those two attempts.

On another note, I got the Bombard belt on my crusader last night as an ancient. (Two in fact, thanks RNG)  I'm not sure it's a required part of the set at all as I'm pretty convinced my DPS actually went down. Even when I swapped back to the Pig Sticker things were taking longer to kill with that belt than with the Non-effect belt I had with another 2k thorns on it. Subjective rather than objective testing, though.

[Segoris]

Of course all you need to do then is just farm shards and cube mats with the crusader for your other characters to use.

Which is what I'm doing, when I'm tired of not getting the crusader shield I need, but it's still very slow.

I'm not 100% sure that's the case. I couldn't do the set dungeon at all on Monday but I was running Torment 6 or 7 at the time. The ranged guys fucked me up pretty bad and I couldn't survive past the second pack.

I dropped down to Torment 3 Tuesday for the seasonal boss achieves and didn't have a problem at all completing the set dungeon. I didn't make any major gear changes between those two attempts.

On another note, I got the Bombard belt on my crusader last night as an ancient. (Two in fact, thanks RNG)  I'm not sure it's a required part of the set at all as I'm pretty convinced my DPS actually went down. Even when I swapped back to the Pig Sticker things were taking longer to kill with that belt than with the Non-effect belt I had with another 2k thorns on it. Subjective rather than objective testing, though.

The dungeon doesn't really take torment into consideration, it just feels like there is a breaking point when the ranged mobs become trivial. For me, that was around 18million sheet toughness. I started around 10mil and got torn apart. Then with minor gear increases in toughness, and a higher torment level, they could barely touch me.

As for the belt, it's more about the 50% dmg reduction which trivializes the damage through ~T8-T10. It is a bit of a dps loss without perfect rolls, though it's an even bigger dps loss if you don't have bombardment: Barrels of Spikes on your hotbar. Basically, without B:BoS it will use the normal Bombardment and not take your thorns into account for dmg.

[MrHat]

As for the belt, it's more about the 50% dmg reduction which trivializes the damage through ~T8-T10. It is a bit of a dps loss without perfect rolls, though it's an even bigger dps loss if you don't have bombardment: Barrels of Spikes on your hotbar. Basically, without B:BoS it will use the normal Bombardment and not take your thorns into account for dmg.

It's really for the damage reduction.  You can put the belt on and drop bombardment from your bar and still get the 50% reduction with the invoker set.  That's a big difference.

I'm not sure the Barrels of Spikes is worth it, it doesn't really do that much damage compared to just whacking stuff with my sword.

I think my Crusader has reached the "must find all ancients" part of gear as I have everything I need right now for the invoker's set.  I guess I should start working my way towards the Litany set where you just equip a full sheet of ancient legendaries and get 1000% damage or whatever it is.

[Segoris]

It's definitely for the damage reduction, until you're at a point where you don't need to stand still using your sword. For instance, the speed running LoN Bombardment build, which seems to be the fastest

[Nebu]

I'm not sure the Barrels of Spikes is worth it, it doesn't really do that much damage compared to just whacking stuff with my sword.

It's not.  Was running torment X last night testing these things and I see no reason to keep bombard on my bar with the belt providing me with the damage reduction.  Consecrate does much more work for me.

[Merusk]

Ah, see I missed the whole DR part. Just about everything except Icy-Veins said to put Bombard w/ Nails on your bar for the increased damage, so I even picked-up the Flail that does 2x bombards to boost DPS and it still felt like a loss.

I wasn't having survival issues before because I've got the gem that spreads damage out over time equipped instead of the Bane of the Trapped. It's been working pretty well so far, making-up for the lack of a Blood Brother. (I lucked into an Akarat's Awakening when leveling so I've got that cubed)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Merusk-1698/hero/71098109

I need some damn rings/ amulets to shard now. I dropped the Blackthorn's set last night so the current ring is useless but better than the one other piece of effect jewelery I've gotten.

[Nebu]

I may try another class.  Crusader seems pretty dumb up to GR 50.  Just run into the middle of a pack and roll my face over the keyboard. 

Perhaps this is the intended Diablo experience.

[schild]

I may try another class.  Crusader seems pretty dumb up to GR 50.  Just run into the middle of a pack and roll my face over the keyboard. 

Perhaps this is the intended Diablo experience.

Well, it's the end goal, right? Except they just kinda... hand it to you.

[Merusk]

I may try another class.  Crusader seems pretty dumb up to GR 50.  Just run into the middle of a pack and roll my face over the keyboard. 

Perhaps this is the intended Diablo experience.

Yep.  I'm using the 'sader for seasonal achieves and farming. I think I'm going to roll a DH up and see how that goes. I haven't tried them or a WD in much seriousness yet.

[rattran]

Melee DH is fun, broken fun. At GR35 I can no longer 1 shot Rift Guardians, but only barely.

[MrHat]

I may try another class.  Crusader seems pretty dumb up to GR 50.  Just run into the middle of a pack and roll my face over the keyboard. 

Perhaps this is the intended Diablo experience.

I mean, there's some decisions to make in GR60, but, no not really.  Wait for Convection of Elements to hit Phys, then slam all the things.

[KallDrexx]

I was going through nephalim rifts and ran out of space to add the blood shards the guardian dropped.  So I went to Kaladuna and gambled 3 times and got an Etched Sigil.

I then made it so my only arcane spender is Meteor Shower.  That took me straight from Master to Torment 3 lol

[Ironwood]

Does this undissable Stormshield have any other uses apart from a transmog that makes you think of better days ?

[Nebu]

If anyone wants a quick boost to 70, let me know.  I'm Neboo #1240 and play most evenings.  I've been grinding torment X for gear and death's breaths and it would only take me 2-3 tor 6 rifts to get you from 1-70.

[apocrypha]

So this is all great, really enjoying this again. I last played before they started seasons at all (I think), so there's lots new for me. Only took a few days to go from a fresh start with a seasonal character to running T9 rifts with a thorns Crusader.

Loving all the changes, Kanai's Cube is great, Greater Rifts are fun, UI changes are good, Salvage All buttons are awesome, etc.

Set Dungeons are stupid and annoying. Bounties are still godawful, disappointed that they haven't been made less cockstabby. Kania's Cube needs to take mats from your stash. Paragon level up icon really needs to not be right over the buff indicators.

9/10 from me for this patch! Will probably get bored again in a month or so and begin the cycle again in 6-9 months time 

[Merusk]

The Cube/ stash interface and the Bounties are the two worst elements for me. The bounties you can at least drop down to Torment VII or so and walk/ Run through them. Terrible that you still get screwed by the random maps on most, but if they'd drop the "Must kill x# of monsters" requirements it'd be a lot better.

[Threash]

They wouldn't be so bad if i could ever find a damn aetherwalker wand.  Also this melee wizard meta is dumb.

[WayAbvPar]

I haven't seen an upgrade in over a week and I am stuck at about T7/8/9. I can grind through 9s, but they take forever, so I just run bounties and nephs at T7. If I get to Paragon 400 and haven't maxed out, I am going to switch to another character, or at least another set build.

[MrHat]

Will probably get bored again in a month or so and begin the cycle again in 6-9 months time 

This is probably the most important thing I keep reminding myself about D3.  I play, HARD, for like 4-5 weeks.  Then, I start getting super bored and that's ok, time to move on and ignore it until next patch/season.

[penfold]

I've not played much since release I think i have 3 chars in the T1/2 range, but have been playing a witchdoctor for the first time as a season character as i had to reinstall it on this rebuild PC over the weekend. I've never been much of a pet fan but this guy is pretty good fun. I have been lazy and left it on normal, im running it as fast as I can.

[rattran]

My infinite-Chakram-spam Mara DH is able to do T10 stuff pretty handily, but I seem to have topped out at GR52. I was getting so many monk drops I ran one up, but it's a lot more work/less fun without the season reward free set.

[Segoris]

If anyone wants a quick boost to 70, let me know.  I'm Neboo #1240 and play most evenings.  I've been grinding torment X for gear and death's breaths and it would only take me 2-3 tor 6 rifts to get you from 1-70.

Sent a request from segoris#1459 as I could go for 2 PLs if you don't mind. Can even PL in return[/s] Scratch that, got a pl for my last two seasonal classes and a HC char. The stuff below still applies though to anyone interested

On a side note, I have about 6-7 full sets of Hellfire portals if 3 others want to join

And I have one Puzzle ring left to get 3x people their TX greed run for their stashes.

[EWSpider]

If anyone wants a quick boost to 70, let me know.  I'm Neboo #1240 and play most evenings.  I've been grinding torment X for gear and death's breaths and it would only take me 2-3 tor 6 rifts to get you from 1-70.

Sent a request from segoris#1459 as I could go for 2 PLs if you don't mind. Can even PL in return[/s] Scratch that, got a pl for my last two seasonal classes and a HC char. The stuff below still applies though to anyone interested

On a side note, I have about 6-7 full sets of Hellfire portals if 3 others want to join

And I have one Puzzle ring left to get 3x people their TX greed run for their stashes.

I'd love to come along for the Hellfire portals!

I can help kill TX Greed, but I don't need it.

- Drevik

[WayAbvPar]

I am happy to PL anyone to 70 in Torment 6- just /t me or drop into my game (if it you can get in). My wiz can handle up to about T8 before things take forever to kill. Started a barb yesterday and already have her in Torment 3 without any matching set items. She does have 3 or 4 ancient non-set pieces, so I am on the way to a LoN build as an alternative. If anyone has a barb already kitted out and wants to share drops, let me know when you see me online.

[Merusk]

If anyone wants a quick boost to 70, let me know.  I'm Neboo #1240 and play most evenings.  I've been grinding torment X for gear and death's breaths and it would only take me 2-3 tor 6 rifts to get you from 1-70.

Sent a request from segoris#1459 as I could go for 2 PLs if you don't mind. Can even PL in return[/s] Scratch that, got a pl for my last two seasonal classes and a HC char. The stuff below still applies though to anyone interested

On a side note, I have about 6-7 full sets of Hellfire portals if 3 others want to join

And I have one Puzzle ring left to get 3x people their TX greed run for their stashes.

I'd love in on the TX greed run this weekend. I can never get the goblins to open portals or the drops for it myself.

[Segoris]

I'd love to come along for the Hellfire portals!

I can help kill TX Greed, but I don't need it.

- Drevik

I'd love in on the TX greed run this weekend. I can never get the goblins to open portals or the drops for it myself.

Sure thing. Either of you can just toss an invite. Ask in the f13 channel if anyone else needs it too (since I'm in a different clan) and I'll go whenever I'm on if I'm not in a full group already.

[apocrypha]

I'm also happy to offer PL'ing, grouping, whatever to anyone on the EU servers. Apocrypha#2851

Also, class representation in the top 100 leaderboards:


WTF happened to DH's?

[Ironwood]

Which reminds me, I keep seeing you on when I'm doing runs with the wife ;  feel free to drop in for a threesome.

[apocrypha]

Will do, likewise :)

Edit: I'm often grouped with a friend who's got a nicely geared wiz, we could tear up some TX rifts etc as a full group.

[Nebu]

Those charts show exactly what I expected... crusaders are worthless for group greaters.  Now I have to decide if I want to reroll and farm a new set of ancient gear or just play something else.

[Segoris]

Eh, farming for a new set isn't too bad. I just tossed on uniques and joined public TX rifts to leech. People are clearing them fast enough that no one really notices

[Threash]

I rather play a good solo char than a group one any day.