War

[Jayce]

Sad to see ET fall so far.  I used to respect the guy even when his alliance was busily kicking us out of 25S and FAT.

[Thrawn]

I will forever remember this day as the Thanksgiving day massacre of '08, and it will be my fondest EvE memory for some time to come I'm sure. 

Goonfleet killboard now with battles! http://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/870

[Amarr HM]

About time.

[lac]

I never saw a good write-up of the things that happened when CCP cracked down on RA (nync) for isk selling. Only this:

[ 2008.01.22 09:11:37 ] Vile rat > nync got a sec?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:12:16 ] Zvaran > sup
?[ 2008.01.22 09:12:29 ] Vile rat > This evening when I get home from work we are
going to set standings with Tortuga
?[ 2008.01.22 09:12:37 ] Vile rat > until bob is dead.
?[ 2008.01.22 09:12:46 ] Zvaran > we do not control red allaince
?[ 2008.01.22 09:12:50 ] Zvaran > ccp does
?[ 2008.01.22 09:13:03 ] Vile rat > I am aware of whats going on. Do you have
anybody who can set standings?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:13:11 ] Zvaran > n
?[ 2008.01.22 09:13:25 ] Vile rat > not a single person?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:13:35 ] Zvaran > nope
?[ 2008.01.22 09:14:06 ] Vile rat > ;_;
?[ 2008.01.22 09:14:19 ] Zvaran > going to do post about it on eve-o
?[ 2008.01.22 09:14:26 ] Zvaran > change of leadership notice
?[ 2008.01.22 09:14:32 ] Vile rat > Which char is taking over
?[ 2008.01.22 09:14:41 ] Zvaran > noone is taking over
?[ 2008.01.22 09:14:50 ] Zvaran > noone wants to be banned for nothing
?[ 2008.01.22 09:15:02 ] Vile rat > what are you going to do
?[ 2008.01.22 09:15:48 ] Zvaran > no idea
?[ 2008.01.22 09:15:50 ] Zvaran > reason: I don't belive that you didn't know what
was going on when you rented systems to macro miners
?[ 2008.01.22 09:16:07 ] frederik > hello
?[ 2008.01.22 09:16:17 ] Zvaran > we can't have tax system
?[ 2008.01.22 09:16:20 ] Vile rat > Are you quitting?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:16:22 ] Zvaran > we can't rent systems
?[ 2008.01.22 09:16:29 ] Zvaran > we are broke
?[ 2008.01.22 09:16:40 ] Zvaran > complketely broke
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:05 ] Zvaran > hi fred
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:17 ] frederik > hum
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:24 ] Robapin > o/
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:26 ] frederik > goon is out of cash ?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:32 ] Zvaran > no
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:40 ] Zvaran > ccp banned all ra leadership chars
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:45 ] Zvaran > reason: I don't belive that you didn't know what
was going on when you rented systems to macro miners
?[ 2008.01.22 09:17:56 ] Zvaran > we have no walllet
?[ 2008.01.22 09:18:03 ] Zvaran > we have no super cap bpos
?[ 2008.01.22 09:18:04 ] frederik > ****
?[ 2008.01.22 09:18:09 ] Zvaran > we can't set stendings
?[ 2008.01.22 09:18:21 ] Zvaran > we can't do anything with our allaince
?[ 2008.01.22 09:18:49 ] frederik > just petition must be the solution ?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:19:21 ] Zvaran > already petitioned
?[ 2008.01.22 09:19:50 ] Vile rat > Did you contact IA?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:19:52 ] Vile rat > Arkonon?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:20:01 ] Zvaran > how?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:20:03 ] frederik > which caracter are banned ?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:20:24 ] Zvaran > all uai chars
?[ 2008.01.22 09:20:35 ] Zvaran > who had access to wallet and standings
?[ 2008.01.22 09:20:49 ] frederik > lol that mad
?[ 2008.01.22 09:20:53 ] Zvaran > also ultima ratio chars
?[ 2008.01.22 09:20:55 ] frederik > never seen thaht
?[ 2008.01.22 09:21:01 ] Zvaran > so we can't control it too
?[ 2008.01.22 09:21:05 ] Zvaran > thats eve
?[ 2008.01.22 09:21:24 ] frederik > what are u going to do ?
?[ 2008.01.22 09:21:46 ] Robapin > nothing just CCP to take decision , and we can

After this RA fragmented into Solar Fleet, dunno about xXDeathXx, and RA proper, some time later RA proper lost Reunion to -A-, OEG to goons and some other corps to various alliances.

While all this time no force in Eve could do RA in, the greed of their leader eventually did.

And now this same guy, through his newly formed ROL alliance, tried to blow up the ties between Goonswarm and what's left of RA over in game cash, in essence it was about a lucrative complex he wouldn't stop farming even though it belonged to Goonswarm.

Eventually he failed miserably in breaking up the RA loyaties to the Goons so he explored other avenues and managed to put enough on the table to get -A- to fight for his fledging ROL alliance.
Meanwhile BoB's max campaign had grinded to halt up North and being the clever strategists they are, they exchanged the battlefield they couldn't win for one where the enemy was already occupied with somebody else.

And that's where we are now.
Despite -A-'s attack on Goon holdings, nync's ROL alliance is still slowly losing stations and unless most Goons take up a career in cycling, ROL will be without space real soon.
BoB's rather opportunistic attack on ex-Goon territory had the slight side effect of angering the -omg space rich- eastern Russian holdings which should provide them with ample fun in the weeks to come.

[Sparky]

Not war related but everyone should share in the magic: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=940880

[Phildo]

In AZN rooms Molle makes me his lover.
Gets me out of my mind and gets me out of these clothes.
His titan is always getting me into the moo-ooo-oood. Woah!

[lac]

Since pretty much all mmo's these last few years have failed hard in trying to be a better WoW, I feel I should add that if you like this space drama, the F13 crew is at the very bleeding edge of what shapes this conflict right now.

Through circumstance and, if you don't mind me saying, careful guiding, this community of eve players has been literally placed in the eye of the storm. And it's one hell of a place to be.

If you have ever considered Eve, if you have ever thought of shaping a persistent world through your actions, never before has an f13 community been so crucial in an in-game conflict.
Some of the most important frontlines between the major powerblocs in Eve are dictated through the efforts of our f13 eve players.

While some of us here have loved the great soap opera that is Eve, in these last months our players have not only become actors in this great war, they have become actors that have made a difference. The systems they have chose to fight in are the key systems the factions are fighting over right now.

If you want to take a game by its balls, and squeeze it for all it's worth, right now our position in Eve is giving you an unique opportunity to be there where the important stuff happens.

[lac]

In AZN rooms Molle makes me his lover.
Gets me out of my mind and gets me out of these clothes.
His titan is always getting me into the moo-ooo-oood. Woah!

You are the proud owner of a mac, right?

[Phildo]

I wouldn't say proud, but yes I'm on a mac.  Why?

[lac]

Nothing but a lame 'all my mac using designer friends are gay' joke :)

[Sir T]

Not war related but everyone should share in the magic: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=940880

You know, I think this should be recorded for prosperity...

Llondon Hilton
Evolution
Band of Brothers    
Posted - 2008.12.05 13:42:00 - [1]
 
Your punishment is this bad parody to Fall Out Boy and the rest is to come; enjoy reading between the lines ***

We're gonna make you bend and break
Say a prayer but let the good times roll
Now that OHGOD doesn't show
(Let the good times roll, let the good times roll)
And I want these words to make things right
Because the wrongs you do make us come to life
Who does Darius think he is
If the worst you got is bees
Better put your fingers back to the keys

Thanks for the memories
One more night and one more time
even though they weren't so great
BoB tastes like you only sweeter.
One night, yeah, and one more time
Thanks for the memories, thanks for the memories.
BoB tastes like you only sweeter.

Been looking forward to the future
Because EVE's been going bad
And this is for all
Those gas clouds are in your past
United we stand, each night stand off.

One night and one more time
Thanks for the memories
even though they weren't so great
BoB tastes like you only sweeter.

You see we only think in the form of crunching numbers.
In AZN rooms Molle makes me his lover.
Gets me out of my mind and gets me out of these clothes.
His titan is always getting me into the moo-ooo-oood. Woah!

One night and one more time
Thanks for the memories
even though they weren't so great
BoB tastes like you only sweeter.
One night, yeah, and one more time
Thanks for the memories, thanks for the memories
Molle, he tastes like you only sweeter.

One night and one more time (one more night, one more time)
Thanks for the memories
even though they weren't so great
BoB tastes like you only sweeter
One night, yeah, and one more time (one more night, one more time)
Thanks for the memories, thanks for the memories
BoB, they taste like you only sweeter!

~@~Llondon~@~

 

[Endie]

Trying to drag this thread back to war news...

I logged in last night on getting back from seeing Gomorrah (see it if you like mob movies) to catch the tail end of a fight no teamspeak.  AAA and some other GBC pets had made an attempt on the C9N jammer with a very large battleship fleet, and Goons rushed there in force to defend it.  We were heavily outnumbered but, Eve being what it is right now, attacking a cyno jammer (when your enemy has carriers and a couple of titans as well as a substantial battleship fleet and good FCs) is extremely hard, and the GBC was beaten back with extremely heavy losses (on our side, F13 got a lot of kills but Pred lost a rifter, for which we all mourn  ).

Anyway, there is a predictable pattern to GBC strategy, which has held good for a couple of years: they take down a cynojammer and reinforce a system en masse on a Thursday night or a Friday, then they use traditionally lower goon participation at the weekend to try and take out a system.  By stymying this attack we now have a weekend where we are more on the attack than the defensive, and have already killed and reinforced towers.  I imagine that we'll see an alternative assault today, of course - if not then the GBC really are suffering from their month of reverses - and they can outnumber us with sufficient forces outside US prime that they can force a fight wherever they want, still.  But it'll be interesting to see how imaginative their response is.

In Scalding Pass, for the moment at least, it looks like Bob are stalled completely, though I find it hard to believe that they've given up completely so quickly.  We're kinda focussed on holding on in the far south, but the main Bob offensive seems to have lost interest for them for now, in the face of systems with Russians to fight back.  That said, of the Bob fleets, RKK and Evol have had very little involvement compared to lol-Finfleet (Dice are useless enough not really to count either way), so unless their participation has suffered that much from a year and a half of defeats then presumably Bob will try to recover some momentum when the rest of their corps show up from recovering capital losses or building molle a new titan or whatever they are doing vOv.

By the way, in case anyone doubts the favour that Bob and their pets have done us with this attack, check out those returning, high-SP veterans in the top graph: http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/alliancechart.asp?FilterType=Alliance&FilterBy=OHGOD - and now we are doing enough fun stuff to hold a newbie drive on SA ( newbies ).

[Meester]

Currently 14 RA capital ships destroyed by BoB in Insmother.

Maybe more to be posted?

[Simond]

Vadinho made a new video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F4Rx3hkWys

 

[Sparky]

I thought his shtick was a little played out but even so that's a pretty good propaganda/recruitment video.

[lac]

Currently 14 RA capital ships destroyed by BoB in Insmother.

Maybe more to be posted?

Only one more, it seems.

They were shooting a tower that belongs to R.U.S.H. Holding, one of their former member corps.

[Sir T]

Currently 14 RA capital ships destroyed by BoB in Insmother.

Maybe more to be posted?

Only one more, it seems.

They were shooting a tower that belongs to R.U.S.H. Holding, one of their former member corps.

It was actually BOB+AAA+ROI working together. Accuracy please.

[Phildo]

In case anyone hasn't seen before, this is who we're fighting (Evil Thug of AAA is on the left):

[Quinton]

Damn.  The internet makes me feel old.  Who is his friend?  Anybody we know of in-game?

[Phildo]

WRWR

[Comstar]

In War non-news, SirMolle refutes claims that the GBC is attacking the south.

Molle
Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:38 pm

It seems people are too stupid to understand definitions, so, ill make it very simple for you.

GBC = Allied alliances/corporations that lives in BoB claimed space.
GBC = Allied alliances/corporations that share standings all over the line.

BoB = Corporations in the alliance Band of Brothers.

AAA = Corporations in the alliance Against All Authorities

SE = Corporations in the alliance Stain Empire

RO(L) = Corporations in the alliance Red Overlords




At the moment, GBC is not directly involved in the southern conflict, they have no presence, nor any fleets, or objectives. That might or might not change.

BoB has objectives and presence in the southern conflict.
AAA has objectives and presence in the southern conflict.
SE has objectives and presence in the southern conflict.
RO(L) has objectives and presence in the southern conflict.

If youre not smart enough to be able to distinguish the various entities, nor the sides, you really need to stop trolling and being ignorant, becasue that is what you are, and you all know it as well.

If you are reporting battles, report them correctly, because there are NO GBC forces down south. When and if GBC comes into this conflict, we will let you know.

The fact that BoB is no longer considered a member of the GBC is news to the rest of the galaxy and probably comes as a welcome relief to the rest of the GBC. As is Executive Outcomes, who were ordered by BoB to attack TCF last week. In the same thread SirMolle denies having a cap fleet ready to attack C9N this week.

Someone needs to make a fox-news style report showing Sirmolle's statements with video showing the opposite.

[Endie]

So far, this weekend's attacks on us have been the most pathetic in the month since the assault began.  Other than plucky little ZAF, all of our allies have been elsewhere, while we've been lucky enough to have Bob, SE, AAA, ROL, Coven, Systematic Chaos and the rest all hanging around, logged-in with caps and waiting to hot-drop on at least one occasion.  But so far we've killed a bunch of towers, decided not to follow up others, and although I'm sure we must have lost a tower somewhere, I haven't heard of one.

That said, I imagine that some attempt will have to be made to salvage the weekend for the thousands of hostile pilots who surround us, so I bet that our C9N towers are going to get hot-dropped this evening :D  Certainly, one of the GBC staging systems (AAA's, I think) just had a substantial Bob capfleet cyno in, and they need to do stuff before the cavalry finishes off Goodfellas and comes south to pick up where they left off on Bob up north.  Looks like the GBC should pull back the deficit on station systems taken so far to 2-1, then, since they can (very sensibly, after failing with the fleet fights for a month) do their old tactic and swamp a system with four alliances' caps in a way we simply cannot answer alone vOv

And yes, Comstr, I saw that SHC post as well, and was delighted: Molle getting that worked up is a first sign that he feels a bit irked at how things are playing out.  The fact is that AAA, SE and ROL are now, by Wagaa's own definition, part of the Greater Bob Community, and pointing that out every time they are in local gets delicious responses virtually every time 

[slog]

Since pretty much all mmo's these last few years have failed hard in trying to be a better WoW, I feel I should add that if you like this space drama, the F13 crew is at the very bleeding edge of what shapes this conflict right now.

Through circumstance and, if you don't mind me saying, careful guiding, this community of eve players has been literally placed in the eye of the storm. And it's one hell of a place to be.

If you have ever considered Eve, if you have ever thought of shaping a persistent world through your actions, never before has an f13 community been so crucial in an in-game conflict.
Some of the most important frontlines between the major powerblocs in Eve are dictated through the efforts of our f13 eve players.

While some of us here have loved the great soap opera that is Eve, in these last months our players have not only become actors in this great war, they have become actors that have made a difference. The systems they have chose to fight in are the key systems the factions are fighting over right now.

If you want to take a game by its balls, and squeeze it for all it's worth, right now our position in Eve is giving you an unique opportunity to be there where the important stuff happens.

Never even considered Eve before.  No chance in hell I'm ever doing mining. 

1) can you run it in a window?  (I have dual  22" widescreens)
2) does it completely suck to be a newb?

[Thrawn]

1) can you run it in a window?  (I have dual  22" widescreens)
2) does it completely suck to be a newb?

1) Yes, I usually run 3 eves at once in windows across two monitors
2) Being a new player in Goonfleet (if that's where you're going?) is probably one of the best ways to start the game, people will literlay throw ships and money at you and tell you to get get them blown up and have fun.

[Jayce]

2) Being a new player in Goonfleet (if that's where you're going?)

... that's where we (f13 crew) are, in case you didn't pick up on it.

I recently read the newbie Goon wiki page and it's very complete, including both how to PvP and how to make money.  Also, as Thrawn mentioned, a day-old newbie can make a huge difference in a battle if they have a head on their shoulders.  For some reason the rumor persists that you have to work for six months or a year before you're useful in PvP, but I really don't know why.  I've been PvPing pretty much since my trial sub.

[slog]

ok, I'll give it a whirl.

Where is the trial account link?

(EDIT: Got a link to that wiki?)

[Thrawn]

(EDIT: Got a link to that wiki?)

You have to be in alliance and all signed up before you can access most of it.  Some pages are publicly available though such as the character setup guide http://wiki.goonfleet.com/index.php?title=Basic_Character_Creation

[Endie]

1) can you run it in a window?  (I have dual  22" widescreens)
2) does it completely suck to be a newb?

1 - Yes, you are absolutely recommended to run it windowed.

2 - A couple of nights ago I watched one of our more awesome recent recruits catch a claw (advanced, super-fast ship) in his rifter, tie it down while others warped out to him (he was about 250km away from us when he caught it) and help kill it.  He even got top damage.  Of course, everyone was expressing their love for our latest, :shobon: newbie.  He's been doing that for six weeks, and although he's lost about ten ships or capsules a week, he just doesn't care, and has already notched up 91 kills worth hundreds of times as much.

[Jayce]

Where is the trial account link?

PM me an email address and I'll send you a buddy program 21 day trial (vs the normal 14).


edit: bingo, I was looking for this picture to put in my response to "do newbies count"

[slog]

Thanks,

I got the trial invite.  Gmail added in 4 ads for ISK sellers too!

[Jayce]

See this thread for advice when you first get in-game.

In fact some enterprising admin might want to move this whole derailment into that thread since we're hardly on topic any more. Wee 

[MahrinSkel]

2) Being a new player in Goonfleet (if that's where you're going?)

... that's where we (f13 crew) are, in case you didn't pick up on it.

I recently read the newbie Goon wiki page and it's very complete, including both how to PvP and how to make money.  Also, as Thrawn mentioned, a day-old newbie can make a huge difference in a battle if they have a head on their shoulders.  For some reason the rumor persists that you have to work for six months or a year before you're useful in PvP, but I really don't know why.  I've been PvPing pretty much since my trial sub.

Left over from the days when Long Lance sniper BS were the end-all, be-all of major non-capital battles.  Tactics have evolved since, but not everyone has caught up to that.  Besides, the way to get *really* loyal BS pilots is to help them get invested (in the game and in your corp) 6-12 months earlier.

--Dave

[5150]

1) can you run it in a window?  (I have dual  22" widescreens)
2) does it completely suck to be a newb?

1 - Yes, you are absolutely recommended to run it windowed.

2 - A couple of nights ago I watched one of our more awesome recent recruits catch a claw (advanced, super-fast ship) in his rifter, tie it down while others warped out to him (he was about 250km away from us when he caught it) and help kill it.  He even got top damage.  Of course, everyone was expressing their love for our latest, :shobon: newbie.  He's been doing that for six weeks, and although he's lost about ten ships or capsules a week, he just doesn't care, and has already notched up 91 kills worth hundreds of times as much.

I am thankful he has improved since I last flew with him .... http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/261659

/note: that mail isnt as clear cut as it appears

[Predator Irl]

Why has someone in Goonfleet shot a loveu pilot?

[Endie]

Why has someone in Goonfleet shot a loveu pilot?

i think he'd been playing for about 5 days at that point.  Or maybe just an overview bug vOv.