War

[Fordel]

People can debate/justify who won/lost till the end of time, but we can all agree that it ended with a whimper rather then a bang.


"We can't push you any further in, and you can't come back out as long as we all sit here and do nothing... welp!"

[lac]

It was an entertaining war for sure and in the end bob lost a couple of regions so it would be fair to say they lost the war. They have less regions now than they did at their hight.

They did however survive the biggest onslaught ever seen in eve to date. Never before did so many alliances assault a single entity. Never before has so much pressure been applied in a single region.
Yet bob is stronger now than they were before the war. They have more supercaps, they build 2-3 titans while Delve was under assault, and everybody knows that the next milestone in supercap warfare can only come from them.

A fleet of titans will take out a fleet of capital ships. One day in one system. And only one alliance is close to making that happen.
 

[Simond]

And then the next day there will be a hotfix removing the doomsday device from the game. 
War update: Multispecs go on everything. Oh, and we nearly caught the Smashkill titan but the HACtors lagged out before being able to scramble it.

[bhodi]

So, while we were occupied down in Germinate with SMASH, a corp called Chaos Incarnate reinforced one of our towers up in Pure Blind (ex-tri area) that we put up during the tri campaign a month or so ago. It happened to be valuable enough to defend, so we did a 40 strong convoy out there from germinate through empire and hung out a few jumps from the PoS, waiting for them to show. It comes out of reinforced and they're a no-show. We hang around for about 30m, all is quiet, and then starting heading back.

Just as we get to torrinos, we get a call that they finally jumped in and were sieging. We burn back there and jump into a hostile gatecamp in the target system. Unfortunately for them, the gatecamp was only 15 strong, only 3 BSes with minor fighter support. They are quickly crushed while our covops gets a warpin on the hostile caps.

Our two hictors get a perfect warpin and land on top of 5 of the 6 dreads. The 6th dread quickly cynos out. A cyno is lit 30km from the trapped dreads and our new temporary buddies, a ex-mc splinter group Project Alice, from Eternity INC alliance (enty) arrive with capital support.

The Rapetrain arrives at the station; 6 dreads and a small support fleet down, our losses: one manticore.

[Kitsune]

Germany didn't lose World War 2 even though the allies came closer to their objectives and Germany had the crap blown out of them. Germany still exists! The Vietnam War was never lost by the U.S.A for the U.S.A still exists!
And Saddam Hussein never lost the 1st Gulf War. If anything the Coalition lost because their forces ran back to their home countries afterwards.

The real world analogy to the outcome of the BoB war would be if the allies packed up and left Germany with the German army still in fighting condition and with Hitler still in power after being locked in a stalemate for six months.  Or if they'd pushed Japan back to its home islands and then sailed away.  Given that both sides had the stated intention of annihilating the other, the fact that both sides are still standing and battle-ready is undeniable proof that neither group won.

[Murgos]

Annihilation is probably unrealistic in space pew-pew.

[Sparky]

Taking their space isn't.  But nearly all the coalition said "fuck it" once their little piece of the pie was secured.  Who actually fought in Delve?  Goons of course, RA did a bit too before going off to ride bikes, Tortuga put in a decent showing and PL was there well before the goons arrived making a nuisance of themselves.  I think that's pretty much it except maybe a token presence or two.

Sorry if I left anyone out, it wasn't intentional.  Those were just my impressions at the time.

[Sparky]

I expect BoB to come back swinging post-BBQ unless they decide to do something else - but the ball is very much in their court.  They did a big fighting retreat that tired everyone out and if anything left them stronger.  Pets were burnt and pilots poached but new pets won't be hard to come by.  You have to hand it to BoB, they played this one really well.

[Calantus]

I don't think that BOB stands a snowball's chance in hell of taking out RSF. The only reason they still have space is because they defended well and everyone else got bored, they didn't exactly out-muscle the coalition. I think both sides are large and competent enough that wiping them out is impossible at this stage. If they fight I think it'll just be territorial skirmishes over satelite portions of their space and nothing at all like the Great War.

[Sparky]

Maybe BoB know something upcoming about cynojammers and are biding their time.

[Kitsune]

I expect BoB to come back swinging post-BBQ unless they decide to do something else - but the ball is very much in their court.  They did a big fighting retreat that tired everyone out and if anything left them stronger.  Pets were burnt and pilots poached but new pets won't be hard to come by.  You have to hand it to BoB, they played this one really well.

I expect that new pets will be pretty hard to come by, after everyone saw what happened to the last batch.  If anything, that treatment of their allies is what will take them down in the end.  They survived the first fight primarily because they had lots of cannon fodder to absorb the first big battles; without them I doubt BoB can withstand a repeat performance.

[Endie]

Each side can take something from the war.   We took space, crushed their alliance and forced them to dilute their esprits de corps with thousands of members they despise.  But they survived, and emerged tactically stronger (twelve titans, after all).  I don't imagine that either side thinks it's over yet.  Those were just rounds one and two.

[Sparky]

I expect BoB to come back swinging post-BBQ unless they decide to do something else - but the ball is very much in their court.  They did a big fighting retreat that tired everyone out and if anything left them stronger.  Pets were burnt and pilots poached but new pets won't be hard to come by.  You have to hand it to BoB, they played this one really well.

I expect that new pets will be pretty hard to come by, after everyone saw what happened to the last batch.  If anything, that treatment of their allies is what will take them down in the end.  They survived the first fight primarily because they had lots of cannon fodder to absorb the first big battles; without them I doubt BoB can withstand a repeat performance.

I don't know about that.  A few months carebearing it up in relative safety, no expectation of defending your space and you can always jump ship when things look bad.  Sounds like paradise for a lot of Eve players.

[Hoax]

Those Project Alice guys, one of their corps has been in Provi lately, I wonder if we've got them red yet...   ex-MC have been a pita since that Failurecascade.  We've got two of them ratting in AM systems hiding in cloaks once anybody notices them.  Nerf long term ss afk cloaking ffs.

[Phildo]

Pretty sure I set Project Alice red a little while ago, although it bears looking in to.  We've been having some fun with ex-Tri lately as well.

[Megrim]

Those Project Alice guys, one of their corps has been in Provi lately, I wonder if we've got them red yet...   ex-MC have been a pita since that Failurecascade.  We've got two of them ratting in AM systems hiding in cloaks once anybody notices them.  Nerf long term ss afk cloaking ffs.

They just need to make cloackers scannable with specialist equipment or something. Make it take a longer time, but at least make it possible.

[5150]

The Rapetrain arrives at the station; 6 dreads and a small support fleet down, our losses: one manticore.

I actually know (in RL) one of the guys who lost 2 of those dreads

[bhodi]

I actually know (in RL) one of the guys who lost 2 of those dreads

Can you ask him what they were thinking (seriously) by deploying dreads with a support fleet of less than 5 battleships & 15 smaller?

[JoeTF]

Probably something in the line of "lets get those motherfucking  POSes down quickly". BoB pulled same stunt twice (well, the second time someone tipped of Molle and he managed to the "operation retarded" seconds before dreads entered siege), so I'm not surprised less hardcore alliances try to pull it of as well.

[5150]

I actually know (in RL) one of the guys who lost 2 of those dreads

Can you ask him what they were thinking (seriously) by deploying dreads with a support fleet of less than 5 battleships & 15 smaller?

I probably wont get to speak to him until Thursday but I suspect they weren't expecting you guys to drag yourself back up north to defend it.

[Endie]

They may well have had a spy in GF TS (who doesn't?) and, when it was announced that we were heading back, they thought they were safe.  All of which fails to allow for the fact that GF always has spies on TS, and work accordingly.  Just a guess.

[5150]

our losses: one manticore.

I'm not trying to nit pick here (honest I'm not) and I know it doesn't change the magnitude of the event, but according to the CI killboard Goon lost a Rifter as well as the Manticore and your Singularity allies lost their Cyno Rapier

[lac]

A roadkill titan wiped out a BoB BS fleet in geminate. The enemies of my enemies can be my enemies too!

[Nevermore]

What was a BoB BS fleet doing in Germinate?

[Endie]

What was a BoB BS fleet doing in Germinate?

Getting doomsdayed?

I imagine they came to join in the fights vOv  they're not tied down in weekly defence ops for the first time in over a year, so i suspect they're having fun.

[Kitsune]

A roadkill titan wiped out a BoB BS fleet in geminate. The enemies of my enemies can be my enemies too!

How does a titan manage to catch a batch of battleships?  I mean, it's not like the thing can sneak up on you; I'd've figured that as soon as it showed up, they'd simply scatter into warp.

[Phildo]

Seems like he warped right on top of a sniper fleet, none of the ones I checked out were fit for tanking at all.

[Endie]

If you're aggressive, this is how you kill a battleship fleet with a titan: bubble fleet, cyno/warp in titan, press button.  But there are tons of ways, with varying degrees of risk to the titan, such as having it cloaked at a bubbled gate.  The risk is a bit lower when your targets are a loooong way away from their base, so you can be reasonably confident they can't just keep piling in reinforcements and hactors until a hot-drop.

[bhodi]

As an example, here's Suas (of little bees and angry drunk fame). The enemies jumped into a small bait gatecamp and got more than they bargained for...

[TheWalrus]

I'm glad I'm not part of Goonswarm. I would get yelled at so often simply because I can't understand a damn thing he said beyond boo yah.

[Megrim]

bhodi, do you know what the music used in that vid was?

[bhodi]

bhodi, do you know what the music used in that vid was?

Globus - Preliator

[Megrim]

Many thanksh.

[Gets]

RA lost 4 carriers to Caldari Militia!

http://xbps.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278 one of them

Just goes to show that anyone can hurt anyone in this game, instead of whining about they having capitals, larger numbers, richer than God, dyspro waah waah, etc.

The carebear zerg armada has succesful scared me now.

[lac]

And thus it came to pass, as the scarred and battleweary faction fleets retreated to their homelands, in their wake something stirred.
A force larger than any other in new eden, a force that had laid dormant for so long, awoke.
It was a carebear armada and their ravens would blot out the sun.
They laid waste to the old order, they were the heralds of a new dawn, a new age.
An age where there was no longer a need for concord, no longer need to worry about missioning in low sec.
It was a brave new world where no pilot dared to fire on another lest he face the wrath of the 50.000 angry ravens.
Pax carebearia.
We had entered the age of love.