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Title: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on September 15, 2011, 09:32:29 PM
Spielberg-backed sci-fi meets dinosaurs, with some writing from Jose Molina (Firefly, Castle, Dark Angel). Fox. Starts September 26. Looks overdone and underthought. Earth is dying of overpopulation and pollution, so they build a Stargate thing and go back to prehistoric times, but forget there are T-Rexs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6aNEIZwPFc


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Nevermore on September 15, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
So what happens when the civilization they build in the past changes the future, this preventing them from going back into the past in the first place?   :headscratch:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on September 16, 2011, 12:16:47 AM
Exactly. I suspect the answer is "shut up and give us more moneyhats".


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tebonas on September 16, 2011, 12:24:59 AM
Obviously everybody gets eaten by T-Rexes, so their meddling can't change the time stream.

Two hours of dumbasses getting eaten by dinosaurs. Sounds like another Jurrassic Park to me.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 16, 2011, 07:49:11 AM
Looks fun. More of a Avatar Jurassic park.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on September 16, 2011, 08:32:26 AM
I'm interested in it, despite the logical fallacy the entire plot is based around. I'm sure there'll be some hand-waving to explain it away and how much of that hand-waving makes sense or not will determine whether the series is worth following.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Draegan on September 16, 2011, 08:38:42 AM
They are traveling back in time.  Isn't the whole show hand waving?  This should be fun if the writers don't suck like in the Event.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Nevermore on September 16, 2011, 08:42:44 AM
It just seems like a show that lets Spielberg rub the huge boner he has for dinosaurs.

The real question though, is are there Sleestaks?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Surlyboi on September 18, 2011, 08:28:32 AM
I'd fucking PAY for Sleestaks.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on September 18, 2011, 09:11:12 PM
How much you want to bet they are either WAY far in the future or not on earth at all?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on September 18, 2011, 11:35:58 PM
How much you want to bet they are either WAY far in the future or not on earth at all?

And will they adequately explain the smoke monster?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on September 26, 2011, 05:32:55 PM
How much you want to bet they are either WAY far in the future or not on earth at all?

And the winner is:

Quantum Time Split! "Different Time Stream!"

Don't cross the streams.   And don't watch this show.. I've had it on for 10 min and I can only wonder why sending emotionally unstable families with criminal fathers was a good idea.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on September 26, 2011, 05:52:58 PM
I find it incredibly ironic that a TV network funded by a news corporation who supports the deregulation of environmental protections and straight not giving a fuck about human beings would create and broadcast a show about how said human beings eventually fucked up our own planet due to not having environmental and that the only recourse was a freak discovery of going quantum time leaping.

My 2cp.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Trippy on September 26, 2011, 06:18:10 PM
I find it incredibly ironic that a TV network funded by a news corporation who supports the deregulation of environmental protections and straight not giving a fuck about human beings would create and broadcast a show about how said human beings eventually fucked up our own planet due to not having environmental and that the only recourse was a freak discovery of going quantum time leaping.

My 2cp.
FOX prime time programming and FOX News do not necessarily share the same values. E.g. David E. Kelly's shows are usually very liberal but many of them have been on FOX.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Evildrider on September 26, 2011, 06:44:44 PM
I liked the show so far, I'll definitely give it a few weeks more before I decide whether or not to stop watching it. 


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on September 26, 2011, 06:52:20 PM
Really?  Because I hated it.. right down to the cliche "Oh you're too strong to get eaten, generic dude."

*dino snack 2 seconds later*

And bullet proof dinos are a terrible macguffin.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Evildrider on September 26, 2011, 07:07:21 PM
Really?  Because I hated it.. right down to the cliche "Oh you're too strong to get eaten, generic dude."

*dino snack 2 seconds later*

And bullet proof dinos are a terrible macguffin.


You bitched about the show after 10 minutes, I just don't think you wanted to like it. 

Was it perfect, no.. Was it watchable and entertaining to me, yes. 


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: DLRiley on September 26, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
You had me at bullet proof dinos. You should be far more creative than just say "welp our dinosaurs are bullet proof Avatar did it and no one without a neckbeard called them on it". I mean seriously is the only way to enjoy the tension in your show is to never look up ever in my whole life "ballistics" or "history" or "physics"? Fuck you writers.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on September 26, 2011, 07:33:38 PM
I wanted something cool, revolving around a bigger picture and some sci-fi.

What I saw was Life Goes On or 7th Heaven with Dinosaurs instead of drugs.  Same formula, same family.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: stu on September 26, 2011, 07:36:27 PM
I caught this by chance tonight and expected Falling Skies levels of quality, but ended up being happy for the most part (even though this is another show that suffers from a few idiot central characters and the token Angsty Son who does nothing but complain).

Bullet proof dinos is pretty silly.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: DLRiley on September 26, 2011, 09:21:45 PM
I caught this by chance tonight and expected Falling Skies levels of quality, but ended up being happy for the most part (even though this is another show that suffers from a few idiot central characters and the token Angsty Son who does nothing but complain).

Bullet proof dinos is pretty silly.

Fallen skies at least entertained the notion of being scifi


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: stu on September 26, 2011, 11:06:24 PM
I'm not sure that Fallen Skies entertained anyone. That show is super bland.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on September 27, 2011, 03:50:23 AM
I find it incredibly ironic that a TV network funded by a news corporation who supports the deregulation of environmental protections and straight not giving a fuck about human beings would create and broadcast a show about how said human beings eventually fucked up our own planet due to not having environmental and that the only recourse was a freak discovery of going quantum time leaping.

My 2cp.
FOX prime time programming and FOX News do not necessarily share the same values. E.g. David E. Kelly's shows are usually very liberal but many of them have been on FOX.


I know, and this is evident in the use of Obama's mug on the large-value cash bills Shannon used to payoff the smuggler  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: raydeen on September 27, 2011, 05:24:14 AM
I think the only thing that will keep me around for a bit is the mystery of those drawings in the forbidden zone. I'm a sucker for things like that. Other than that, aside from the fx, this felt like some schlocky 80's production. And I like schlocky 80's productions but this was just falling way flat.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Khaldun on September 27, 2011, 05:41:13 AM
Dull characters. Hard for it to catch on with me just because of that.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Numtini on September 27, 2011, 05:58:23 AM
My problems with the show started at the very beginning when this idiot couldn't keep his dick wrapped despite the world choking on over population. I'm all for leaving him in the gulag. It went down hill from there.



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Gets on September 27, 2011, 10:51:19 AM
Not enough douches on the cast in supporting roles getting turned into dino chow so far. Unless they put Jamil Walker Smith aka Lt. Greere on the security team the characters will mostly be on the bland side. I don't know how long my interest in seeing where Spielberg could have possibly put all that money while making this will keep my mind on this show.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on September 27, 2011, 12:45:24 PM
I think they rushed the whole "let's get to Terra Nova" thing too much.  Maybe spend a little more time in the pilot episode establishing just how severely fracked the future is, explain a little more about how they just happened to discover a quantum tear, etc.  They could have just as easily started the damned series already in Terra Nova and explained the back story through flashbacks and shit, and added some more depth to the characters that way.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Threash on September 27, 2011, 05:34:44 PM
I wonder how they plan to survive the massive extinction level event that wipes out the motherfucking bullet proof dinosaurs. 


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on September 27, 2011, 06:41:43 PM
I wonder how they plan to survive the massive extinction level event that wipes out the motherfucking bullet proof dinosaurs. 

Different timeline, it never happens! The future is the Dino Riders!

See, now the bulletproof dinosaurs are cool instead of a lame plot device they're a central plot point!  With more sci-fi!



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Soln on September 27, 2011, 07:46:35 PM
Should have spent the money on S3 of Sarah Conners.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: DLRiley on September 27, 2011, 07:48:05 PM
Should have spent the money on S3 of Sarah Conners.

/thread


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Bunk on September 28, 2011, 06:41:41 AM
Gee, open some wounds why don't you.

I made it about 40 minutes in to the pilot, only because it was recorded. Schlocky "dramatic" moments shoehorned in, Emo kid apparently either had his writer change after the first three scenes, or he's schizo. I gave up at about the dino feeding scene. None of the characters in those first 40 minutes did anything to capture my interest - that was by far its biggest failure.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on September 28, 2011, 09:49:37 AM
I've made it about 50 minutes in and you're reading my mind, Bunk. Dumbass douchey dad has too many kids... why exactly? No explanation. I'm assuming in a world so overcrowded that they send population control cops out to bust people with an extra crumbsnatcher that birth control is free, or mandated by some kind of surgery after the last quota kid is born. So why would the COP have another kid in a world where a goddamn orange is like discovering Fruit Jesus? Why was the extra kid not killed when discovered, or put into a work camp? Or locked away from the law-breaking parents? Did they just leave the kid with the mom while the dad was in jail? Makes no fucking sense. And what was the government going to do with the extra kid when they sent the mom to Jurassic Park the Paleolithic? The way the guy got into the quantam fracture was a bit retarded as well, but having already painted themselves into a narrative corner with this dumbfuck, I suppose they had to get him there somehow. Also, why were the packs not searched if carrying a weapon through is so vital? Or, I don't know, have a scanner right outside the fracture to keep people from bringing weapons through? MAKES NO SENSE.

Emo douchey kid hating on the dad we all saw him being friendly to in the orange scene doesn't make any sense, nor does his explanation for turning douchey. He was absolutely right about the dad's actions, of course, but doesn't work as an explanation for why the kid goes twat flap on us. Giant fucking leeches to remove excess oxidation in the blood? Can a doctor tell me if that makes any sense, because as a viewer it doesn't make sense to me.

I'm going to try to make it through the whole thing, but I already can see where this episode is going, and it's fucking boring.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Threash on September 28, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
Douchey kid being all douchey against dad doesn't really bother me, we don't know how tough they had it for those two years just because dad felt like being a dick to the cops on top of incredibly selfish by having the extra kid.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on September 28, 2011, 10:21:05 AM
I enjoy how it's the dad's fault and the mom was the hapless rape victim who had no part in the 'selfish decision.'

 :awesome_for_real:

My favorite review thus far:
http://www.thecriticalfailure.com/terra-nova-not-that-great/


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on September 28, 2011, 11:15:53 AM
Well, she wasn't the one that tried to bitchslap three cops doing their (albeit shitty) job. Also, as a doctor, she could have stolen contraception if it was a problem. In essence, it was two people who should have known better and we don't see any explanation for why they chose to do something so goddamn stupid.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on September 28, 2011, 11:26:17 AM
My favorite review thus far:
http://www.thecriticalfailure.com/terra-nova-not-that-great/


Quote
Then we learn that not everything is as great as it seems in this world. Apparently, in addition to being surrounded by giant dinosaurs and having to fight to make the world livable for humans, there’s a group of jerks who broke off to make their own Terra Nova, only with blackjack, and hookers (I can’t actually back up the blackjack and hookers part, actually).

 :awesome_for_real: Any article that can integrate Bender logic into it is A+ in my book.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Furiously on September 28, 2011, 12:14:30 PM
Like it isn't going to turn out that every group is from a different "future" earth when they figure it out.

They need a hatch... And smoke monsters are better than dinosaurs.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Bunk on September 28, 2011, 12:47:31 PM
Ton of hate for this over on TWoP. A few silly points brought up - like how these teenagers who grew up in an oppresive, dystopian future - all act like afluent, spoiled punks from 2011. Little details, like how the son learned to do things like drive and swim, which again seemed to be unlikely skills for where he grew up.

So they let these teens all live in a house together, but don't make them actually do any work, but must oppress them enough that they feel the need to build a still three miles in to dino land.  :uhrr:

Oh, and multiple predictions that the son will be the next teen emo actor to completely destroy a scifi series, the way Tyler destroyed "V".


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on September 28, 2011, 12:49:02 PM
Oh, and multiple predictions that the son will be the next teen emo actor to completely destroy a scifi series, the way Tyler destroyed "V".

There was a lot more wrong with V than an annoying teenager.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Ghambit on September 28, 2011, 12:58:48 PM
Oh, and multiple predictions that the son will be the next teen emo actor to completely destroy a scifi series, the way Tyler destroyed "V".

There was a lot more wrong with V than an annoying teenager.

Except the episode where


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Threash on September 28, 2011, 01:51:58 PM
Ton of hate for this over on TWoP. A few silly points brought up - like how these teenagers who grew up in an oppresive, dystopian future - all act like afluent, spoiled punks from 2011. Little details, like how the son learned to do things like drive and swim, which again seemed to be unlikely skills for where he grew up.

So they let these teens all live in a house together, but don't make them actually do any work, but must oppress them enough that they feel the need to build a still three miles in to dino land.  :uhrr:

Oh, and multiple predictions that the son will be the next teen emo actor to completely destroy a scifi series, the way Tyler destroyed "V".

Actually the kids said they got to live in their own house because they all had jobs even though they were like 16.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Bunk on September 28, 2011, 01:58:12 PM
Yet they all skipped out of said jobs to go drink, and no one noticed for four hours?

No point to this, I just get a certain glee in tearing apart badly written shows.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Nevermore on September 28, 2011, 01:59:14 PM
I don't know how long my interest in seeing where Spielberg could have possibly put all that money while making this will keep my mind on this show.

Where ever that money went, it sounds like it wasn't to pay for halfway decent writers.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Ghambit on September 28, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Anyone besides me still wondering why we've got this latest crop of sci-fi garbage when Firefly and Trek is still sitting there waiting to make a comeback?   I mean, how many lost seasons do we need before just cutting to the chase?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: DLRiley on September 28, 2011, 06:46:41 PM
I enjoy how it's the dad's fault and the mom was the hapless rape victim who had no part in the 'selfish decision.'

 :awesome_for_real:

My favorite review thus far:
http://www.thecriticalfailure.com/terra-nova-not-that-great/


I can see the whole conversation right now.
Take off the condom.
Hmm you sure?
TAKE IT OFF.
Baby I'm not sure I can hold it if we continue...
Pleeeaaasssse...

5 seconds later

Dad (best nut ever)
Mom (why did he actually listen to me...)


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on September 28, 2011, 08:51:41 PM
ROFL.

Finished watching this tonight. I want my two fucking hours back. This show started at Stupid and went downhill from there. None of it makes any sense. I really think they hired some high school creative writing class, sat them down in front of 3 random episodes of Lost, topped it off with a chaser of Avatar and said "Write us a TV show." The CGI is fucking awful in many places, especially the vista of the unobtanium quarry. The mystery hooks they've left for the future are practically a hammer blow of non-subtlety. "LOOK HERE IS PLOT POINT MYSTERY DUM DUM DUM!!!!"

I think if this lasts beyond 3 episodes, it'll only be because of the vast amounts of money they've already pissed away on it.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Furiously on September 28, 2011, 11:42:05 PM
It will last 13 episodes I bet, with five timeslot changes. Maybe four episodes will never be shown and somehow they will be the best of the series.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mortriden on September 29, 2011, 01:09:21 PM
It will last 13 episodes I bet, with five timeslot changes. Maybe four episodes will never be shown and somehow they will be the best of the series.

I see what you did there


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Trippy on September 29, 2011, 01:10:13 PM
FOX only does that to the good shows :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Ard on September 29, 2011, 03:01:53 PM
Yeah, this is easily destined to go on for another five seasons, and probably two made for TV movies.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 30, 2011, 06:46:59 AM
I don't see the issue with this show. Its got dinosaurs eating people. Whats the problem here?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on October 01, 2011, 02:51:57 PM
I don't see the issue with this show. Its got dinosaurs eating people. Whats the problem here?

You are not that new to these boards. I figured this out the first week I started reading.  :awesome_for_real:

I don't have a problem with the show. Maybe it's because I don't watch TV anymore. I agree with the critiques, but was willing to throw in the "meh, ok... I'll go with it" attitude on most of the parts because the show has to work like this. I did keep getting the Eureka vibe through it though...loosely enough to raise an eyebrow or two. Only thing I took issue with is the show seems to have thrown a ton of cards on the table all at once for future episode fodder and if it doesn't last long enough to address them, well that will bug the shit outta me.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tannhauser on October 01, 2011, 06:45:22 PM
Once I saw Brannan Braga's name I knew I was in for 'quality' writing.  Such a dumb show.  But I'm bored and watching it right now, right where they find the girl who gets out of the safe car and goes out into the night alone under dino attack.

I wish it was worse so it could be a campy cheez-fest.  So...much...cliched writing.

To me the emo kid is the only smart one, his parents broke the law and his dad got taken away.  Now he's like 'fuck it if my dad can be disregard the safety and security of his family I can go swim, get drunk and maybe touch a boobie.'


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Draegan on October 01, 2011, 09:01:07 PM
I thought the show was fun and I enjoyed it.  You guys are broken.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Bzalthek on October 01, 2011, 10:26:29 PM
I see the lobotomy was a success.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on October 02, 2011, 12:21:29 AM
I started this thread and now there is an advertising truck in my street in suburban Sydney, Australia, with a cage on the back, covered in TV network promo signs saying "Don't feed the dinosaurs - TERRA NOVA" and the local broadcast times of the show. They've found me.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on October 02, 2011, 03:32:21 AM
Question: they have a one-way "fracture in space and time". How do they even know whether anyone who passes through it survives, let alone that they've successfully set up a colony there?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on October 02, 2011, 04:52:11 AM
Question: they have a one-way "fracture in space and time". How do they even know whether anyone who passes through it survives, let alone that they've successfully set up a colony there?

My thought was that the colony would bury a time capsule, but that got fucked in the separate time stream hypothesis. This was one of the only things that bothered me to a point. I can see sending messages and supplies through, but exactly your point: how do you send a message back saying the colony is good outside of normal separatist bullshit and big fuck-off dinosaurs.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on October 02, 2011, 05:09:50 AM
Question: they have a one-way "fracture in space and time". How do they even know whether anyone who passes through it survives, let alone that they've successfully set up a colony there?

As I would tell my wife, who asks these sort of questions of "How did they do that?!" EVERY TIME WE WATCH A SCI-FI SHOW, I'll give you the multiple choice response version:

a) It's in the goddamned Hollywood script.  Fucking deal with it. (Uncommonly used...may have to use it in this case since the writers were more concerned about showing teeny-boppers in danger than elaborating on how the show actually works)
b) Stop asking questions and interrupting the show and maybe the show will eventually tell you if you payed attention.  If not in this week's episode than maybe the next.  (Most common response, and unsurprisingly IT FUCKING WORKS)
c) Shut up and get me a sammich and a beer.  (Haven't actually played this card yet...I'm saving it for that one time that I'm both hungry/thirsty and the answer to her question was either already answered in an as obvious way they could possibly answer it, or it was answered in the time she took to interrupt me watching to answer the question.)



Don't get me wrong...I :heart: my wife, but sometimes... :argh:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Ironwood on October 02, 2011, 05:45:36 AM
The cynic in me asks 'In a world with chronic overpopulation and other social problems, why would they give a toss if the people they threw in the time bin actually survived ?'

Carousel, bitchfist.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on October 02, 2011, 06:30:19 AM
Question: they have a one-way "fracture in space and time". How do they even know whether anyone who passes through it survives, let alone that they've successfully set up a colony there?

My thought was that the colony would bury a time capsule, but that got fucked in the separate time stream hypothesis. This was one of the only things that bothered me to a point. I can see sending messages and supplies through, but exactly your point: how do you send a message back saying the colony is good outside of normal separatist bullshit and big fuck-off dinosaurs.

They can't.  See, this is yet another problem.

They sent a probe back and never ever found it.  They say this right in the show, as the probe is mounted in the middle of the camp as a monument.  What nobody has realized is it's a monument to how their government decided they were all expendable.   They don't mention there were multiple probes.  No talk about how many years they spent researching before deciding "Well, let's try a person"  No.. one probe - which they never found (alternate quantum timeline, remember) and then "fuck it let's chuck people in there in large numbers."

It's a cure for overpopulation, all right.  Suddenly sending this fuck-up family back in time makes a lot more sense.  They weren't trying to be successful they're just getting rid of problems, who gives a fuck what happens to them.

Now, if that were the case I'd be more forgiving, but I already know it's not. It's just lazy and stupid writing.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on October 02, 2011, 07:05:39 AM
The cynic in me asks 'In a world with chronic overpopulation and other social problems, why would they give a toss if the people they threw in the time bin actually survived ?'

Carousel, bitchfist.

Actually that was the sense I got when they were walking toward the portal. It's similar to that Dr. Who episode where people won the lottery and were sent away on what was said to be a great experience only to be sent to their doom... fuck, forgot the episode title.

edit: The Long Game


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Kirth on October 02, 2011, 07:32:16 AM
Canceled by Christmas.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: croaker69 on October 02, 2011, 07:32:50 AM
Question: they have a one-way "fracture in space and time". How do they even know whether anyone who passes through it survives, let alone that they've successfully set up a colony there?

My thought was that the colony would bury a time capsule, but that got fucked in the separate time stream hypothesis. This was one of the only things that bothered me to a point. I can see sending messages and supplies through, but exactly your point: how do you send a message back saying the colony is good outside of normal separatist bullshit and big fuck-off dinosaurs.

They can't.  See, this is yet another problem.

They sent a probe back and never ever found it.  They say this right in the show, as the probe is mounted in the middle of the camp as a monument.  What nobody has realized is it's a monument to how their government decided they were all expendable.   They don't mention there were multiple probes.  No talk about how many years they spent researching before deciding "Well, let's try a person"  No.. one probe - which they never found (alternate quantum timeline, remember) and then "fuck it let's chuck people in there in large numbers."

It's a cure for overpopulation, all right.  Suddenly sending this fuck-up family back in time makes a lot more sense.  They weren't trying to be successful they're just getting rid of problems, who gives a fuck what happens to them.

Now, if that were the case I'd be more forgiving, but I already know it's not. It's just lazy and stupid writing.

I got the feeling from a few things the rebel 6ers leader said that maybe the govt lied about not finding the probe and this isn't an alternate time stream.  At least that's what the 6ers believe.  All the mumbo jumbo about the true purpose of Terra Nova and how the 6ers are fighting for the shape of the future left something like that open if the writers decide to go that way.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 02, 2011, 07:57:59 AM
(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g346/mertyg/Dino.gif)

Win.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on October 03, 2011, 11:09:37 AM
Not win, because it looked like SHIT, as did most of the other action-y dino shots, or any of the CGI landscape shots.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 03, 2011, 11:15:11 AM
Hay, its better than many Si-fi movies put out on cable!



Also, Dinosaurs!

(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsaz9f5M7W1r3d3flo7_250.gif)


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on October 03, 2011, 11:18:02 AM
For the budget they put into it, it should be a LOT better. I'd put in on par with Mansquito except at least Mansquito isn't taking itself seriously.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 03, 2011, 11:23:43 AM
You are out your mind.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Draegan on October 03, 2011, 12:20:24 PM
I thought the effects were fine for a network tv show.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Margalis on October 03, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
Mansquito set a pretty high bar. Let's be fair!


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Speedy Cerviche on October 03, 2011, 12:25:44 PM
I've been watching too much HBO. I kept waiting for one of the family to be brutally killed then I remembered it was a Spielberg produced network show so I switched away.

edit- also surprised they didn't somehow find a way to smuggle in their lovable family dog in too.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Nyght on October 03, 2011, 03:20:44 PM
HBO eh? Have they had a nude sex scene yet?    :awesome_for_real:

Never mind. What little remains of my mind seems to have wandered off....


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on October 04, 2011, 05:40:59 AM
Had the first 'filler' episode last night.

Is it me, or does it seem like the Avatar-guy is trying to play his role too hard?  Like, William Shatner/Capt. Kirk hard?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Sky on October 04, 2011, 06:25:19 AM
I watched the pilot over the weekend, though I missed the first half. Apparently you can go to jail because it's a crime to have a third kid, but there's no state-enforced abortion? Right. Kind of stupid to base a show on an issue solved by one of the more controversial political and spiritual topics. But never mind...dinosaurs!

I ended up playing guitar through last night's episode, so it's going off the DVR.

Though emo kid's love interest is really fucking hot. Great expressions.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Ghambit on October 04, 2011, 06:52:21 AM
This production was simply Spielberg swingin his dick over the next hawt script to arrive in Hollywood.  Apparently there was a bidding war over it from some unknown British writer and a pissing match ensued.  That momentum carried into production and created the most expensive POS ever produced for TV.  Nice.



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 04, 2011, 07:03:50 AM
The price being tossed around has been said to be false.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Ghambit on October 04, 2011, 09:20:49 AM
The price being tossed around has been said to be false.

So it's now the most expensive POS rather than the most expensive?
Seriously, wtf is Spielberg doing with his career these days?  It's like he's just churning out treadmilled crap on purpose.  Is he actually making money with these things?  I could understand if he was the director and getting a paycheck regardless, but in these cases he's a Producer.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 04, 2011, 10:06:47 AM
Well, First, "POS" is your opinion. Second, the 20 million price tag has said to be false by the directors. I'm not sure what you are saying with the rest of your post. Considering its been picked up by stations around the world, I bet he makes money, yes.

Also, Dinosaurs!


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Reg on October 04, 2011, 10:09:44 AM
This thread is just chock full of the usual F13 "we hate popular blockbusters" attitude.  It's getting kind of predictable.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Rasix on October 04, 2011, 10:14:24 AM
Along with your typical "TURN YER BRAIN OFF, DERP.  OOH BAYSPLOSIONS." from the usual suspects.  Goes both ways.  Heroes sucked too, btw.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on October 04, 2011, 10:18:35 AM
Along with your typical "TURN YER BRAIN OFF, DERP.  OOH BAYSPLOSIONS." from the usual suspects.  Goes both ways.  Heroes sucked too, btw.

Heroes did suck?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Reg on October 04, 2011, 10:27:09 AM
I don't think Heroes had many defenders left by the time it was mercifully cancelled.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 04, 2011, 10:30:30 AM
Why do we need to "turn our brains off" to enjoy something thats clearly intentionally campy? That's what I don't get. Its like, for some, watching TV is a cultural movement and a life affirming event, or it sucks ass. Fuck that, I want Dinosaurs eating stupid people in a fort on the other side of a stargate.

Whats wrong with you people?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Kirth on October 04, 2011, 10:44:28 AM
Because my brain keeps telling me how bad the script, acting and plot is so I find it hard to enjoy this show while that's happening. There is intentionally campy and tongue in cheek sure but I don't get that vibe from this show, to me its clearly board room style thinking where they took a generous dose of Avatar and Jurassic Park added a pinch of Lost and let that stew in Brannon Braga's cesspool of a mind and voila we have Terra Nova. To contrast I find watching something like tru blood entertaining, where its kinda of ridiculous when you think about it but at least the story and acting stand up.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Lakov_Sanite on October 04, 2011, 10:50:45 AM
Dawson's creek with dinosaur guest appearances.


/thread


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on October 04, 2011, 10:55:16 AM
Dawson's creek with dinosaur guest appearances.


/thread

That's my opinion of it, and I'm the guy who started the Heroes thread.   

I can usually enjoy 'turn your brain off' or 'it's only entertainment' stuff, so long as they at least handwave an explanation that isn't chock full of holes.   But this series just trips something in my brain that says "wait a tic, fuck no."


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on October 04, 2011, 11:09:44 AM
Dawson's creek with dinosaur guest appearances.


/thread

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Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on October 04, 2011, 12:11:05 PM

I can usually enjoy 'turn your brain off' or 'it's only entertainment' stuff, so long as they at least handwave an explanation that isn't chock full of holes.   But this series just trips something in my brain that says "wait a tic, fuck no."

Wasn't this the entire premise of Lost's first couple of seasons?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Surlyboi on October 04, 2011, 12:38:08 PM
At least Lost's first two seasons were decently acted for the most part.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Threash on October 04, 2011, 12:45:35 PM
I watched the pilot over the weekend, though I missed the first half. Apparently you can go to jail because it's a crime to have a third kid, but there's no state-enforced abortion? Right. Kind of stupid to base a show on an issue solved by one of the more controversial political and spiritual topics. But never mind...dinosaurs!

I ended up playing guitar through last night's episode, so it's going off the DVR.

Though emo kid's love interest is really fucking hot. Great expressions.

Once again, dad went to jail for beating up a cop not for the extra kid.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Sky on October 04, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Oh, that's right. I don't give a shit.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Nevermore on October 04, 2011, 01:13:02 PM
This thread is just chock full of the usual F13 "we hate popular blockbusters" attitude.  It's getting kind of predictable.

Terra Nova is a popular blockbuster?  :headscratch:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on October 04, 2011, 01:13:50 PM
I watched the pilot over the weekend, though I missed the first half. Apparently you can go to jail because it's a crime to have a third kid, but there's no state-enforced abortion? Right. Kind of stupid to base a show on an issue solved by one of the more controversial political and spiritual topics. But never mind...dinosaurs!

I ended up playing guitar through last night's episode, so it's going off the DVR.

Though emo kid's love interest is really fucking hot. Great expressions.

Once again, dad went to jail for beating up a cop not for the extra kid.
 

Cop on Cop violence hardly would lead to lengthy jail time... though I will afford the notion he was a local cop and the population control cops were on a higher level.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on October 04, 2011, 01:19:33 PM
Whats wrong with you people?

We hate stupid loud expensive things that make no goddamn sense, are poorly acted and look like they were animated by out of work Power Rangers effects guys used to sucking dick for a hit of crack?

Seriously, it's not a camp show. If you think Terra Nova is camp, you do not know the definition of the word. True Blood is camp. It's also 100 times better acted and written than this, and I say that as someone who thinks the show has wandered into ridiculous territory since late season 2. Hercules and Xena are camp. This is not camp by any stretch of the imagination. Just because it tries to modernize Land of the Lost does not make it camp.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Threash on October 04, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
I watched the pilot over the weekend, though I missed the first half. Apparently you can go to jail because it's a crime to have a third kid, but there's no state-enforced abortion? Right. Kind of stupid to base a show on an issue solved by one of the more controversial political and spiritual topics. But never mind...dinosaurs!

I ended up playing guitar through last night's episode, so it's going off the DVR.

Though emo kid's love interest is really fucking hot. Great expressions.

Once again, dad went to jail for beating up a cop not for the extra kid.
 

Cop on Cop violence hardly would lead to lengthy jail time... though I will afford the notion he was a local cop and the population control cops were on a higher level.

You'd think that, except they explicitly said that's what happened.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on October 04, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
I watched the pilot over the weekend, though I missed the first half. Apparently you can go to jail because it's a crime to have a third kid, but there's no state-enforced abortion? Right. Kind of stupid to base a show on an issue solved by one of the more controversial political and spiritual topics. But never mind...dinosaurs!

I ended up playing guitar through last night's episode, so it's going off the DVR.

Though emo kid's love interest is really fucking hot. Great expressions.

Once again, dad went to jail for beating up a cop not for the extra kid.
 

Cop on Cop violence hardly would lead to lengthy jail time... though I will afford the notion he was a local cop and the population control cops were on a higher level.

You'd think that, except they explicitly said that's what happened.

Yeah, pretty sure I recall hearing that dialogue a couple times in the pilot.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Reg on October 04, 2011, 01:56:20 PM
This thread is just chock full of the usual F13 "we hate popular blockbusters" attitude.  It's getting kind of predictable.

Terra Nova is a popular blockbuster?  :headscratch:

Blockbuster in the sense that a lot of money was spent making it.  We don't approve of that around here. And popular in that its ratings are good. 8.3 million for the second episode which is down only slightly from the premiere.  We don't approve of that either of course.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Margalis on October 04, 2011, 02:02:52 PM
I don't approve of awful television.

I would also point out that shows that have a lot of money sunk into them typically have a lack of unified creative vision, pander to the lowest common denominator, are subject to producer meddling, etc. A high budget incurs certain baggage.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Ghambit on October 04, 2011, 04:36:30 PM
I will give the show one thing, and that it's seemingly episodic in nature so far.  That is show starts, something happens, they get past said something, show ends with a smile.  A serious lack of decent shows that do this lately.  Most have melo-speedbumps for episodes and a load of questions.  Also, I'm liking the quasi holy trinity thing they've got going on with some of the characters.  But, the characters themselves are total ass due to casting and script.  Twerent for Avatarman and angsty-boy's gf the show would be a total loss.

And if that stupid little girl gets stuck in a hole or under some object one more goddamned time I'm gonna put a hole in my set.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on October 04, 2011, 04:53:26 PM
Found the problem.

Quote from: Wikipedia
In an unusual decision, Fox skipped ordering just a pilot, and instead immediately ordered thirteen episodes.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on October 04, 2011, 05:33:57 PM
Hulu teased me with the pilot and now the epis 2 is on Plus. Damn it.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Numtini on October 04, 2011, 08:16:39 PM
I turned on ep 2 just to kill time while we were waiting for dinner to finish cooking and it's not even worth that. Yes, you're all running around doing absolutely nothing in some jungle and there's some giant lizard eating people. Yawn.

The writing is absolutely dreadful. It follows the old pattern of people writing SF who have a patronizing view of SF that you just toss in some ray guns and the rubes will love whatever you write so it doesn't matter.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: DLRiley on October 05, 2011, 09:48:44 AM
Terra nova comes at a time when the only other show to look forward to is archer and supernatural. its harmless stupidity.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 07, 2011, 10:33:45 AM
Watched the second episode. Still enjoy it.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on October 12, 2011, 05:45:16 AM
It's bad enough that my local Fox carrier doesn't broadcast their local content in HD, so whenever they switch the feed from HD to SD, my DVR freaks out and cuts up recorded content...now I have to go through content segments and shit that's completely out of whack due to the MLB game pushing the broadcast time back, and cutting off my House episode  :angryfist:

Anywho, this week's dinosaur guest craved nickel, the common cold can fight off man-made viruses, and the bad guys seem to have a way to make contact with the future via their own methods.

I'm thinking this show would do better on The CW lineup  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 12, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Yeah, episode 4 was pretty bad, they have so much other stuff to do, but they do a "Quarantine" episode that was....rather dumb.  Shame. Needed more dinosaurs.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Nevermore on October 13, 2011, 05:21:46 PM
So I finally got around to watching the pilot of this show.  It's been sitting on my DVR all this time but I always had betting things to do, like clean my bathroom or stare aimlessly into space for a couple of hours.  But I finally broke down and I have to say it wasn't what I expected.

I expected a bad show with poor writing.  What I got was one of the worst shows I've ever seen on network television.  If TV Tropes ever lost all their data and had to rebuild from scratch, they could take care of most of it just by watching this show.  I'm pretty sure this thing is 'written' by a computer that's programmed to scan all the plots and dialogue from the last 20 years of tv shows and regurgitate the most commonly found bits and pieces.  Except the show I watched didn't even make that much sense.

I could make a laundry list of all the things that don't make a lick of sense, only some of which has already been covered in this thread, but I won't.  Instead I'm just going to ask one question that I kept asking myself every time all these idiots were shooting their useless guns at the bulletproof dinosaurs: Why the fuck didn't they send back any helicopters?  Oh, one more: why did the Avatar dude let Tina Turner leave Bartertown with the guy who tried to assassinate him?

Anyway, now I can now confirm that staring aimlessly into space actually is a more constructive use of time than watching this crap.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Xanthippe on October 13, 2011, 07:06:33 PM
It puts me to sleep within 15 minutes.  It stays on the TiVo for a sleep aid.



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Furiously on October 13, 2011, 09:59:10 PM
My son loves dinosaurs and trains.... So... my only comment is this show needs more dinosaurs and trains.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tannhauser on October 17, 2011, 05:18:48 PM
Halfway thru tonight's show I find I like Taylor even though I know he's got skeletons.  But is he the Dictator for Life of TN?  And have they explained TN's economy?  The guy giving Taylor fruit reminded me of the Godfather going down the street.  And TN gets reinforcements, why are they scared of the Sixers? 

I know I'm not supposed to try to make sense of the show but I can't help it. 


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Xanthippe on November 12, 2011, 07:10:50 AM
Halfway thru tonight's show I find I like Taylor even though I know he's got skeletons.  But is he the Dictator for Life of TN?  And have they explained TN's economy?  The guy giving Taylor fruit reminded me of the Godfather going down the street.  And TN gets reinforcements, why are they scared of the Sixers? 

I know I'm not supposed to try to make sense of the show but I can't help it. 

Just remember what they did to Lost. 


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tannhauser on November 12, 2011, 07:38:41 AM
No worries, I quit watching it. 


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Reg on November 12, 2011, 02:56:30 PM
I'm still watching but not with much enthusiasm. Are the ratings still good enough to justify its expense?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Nevermore on November 12, 2011, 04:23:12 PM
Did they ever ship a simple helicopter or two to the colonists, or is all that high technology still restricted to weapons that don't affect the wildlife and fancy medical stuff?


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Merusk on November 12, 2011, 09:43:53 PM
I'm still watching but not with much enthusiasm. Are the ratings still good enough to justify its expense?

It got a 2.6 share and house got a 2.7 so apparently so. 

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-terra-nova-hart-of-dixie-258757


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: angry.bob on November 13, 2011, 08:33:01 PM
My son loves dinosaurs and trains.... So... my only comment is this show needs more dinosaurs and trains.

You and your son are aware of the show Dinosaur Train? Not sure of your son's age, but mine loves it. A time-travelling train for dinosaurs takes a family of Pteranadons and their adopted t-rex son to different eras to visit different dinosaurs for a variety of reasons including trying to find out what kind of dinosaur the t-rex kid is. They don't know because his egg wound up in their nest somehow and he hatched at the same time as their other kids. It's a PBS show and manages to pack a fair ammount of atual information into each show while still being entertaining.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Furiously on November 14, 2011, 10:09:37 AM
Oh I have deal with him singing the theme song about five times a day. He also likes driver Dan.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on November 20, 2011, 04:52:21 PM
The episode tonight (US time) is apparently the first written by the guy I mentioned in the first post, who was a writer on Firefly, Castle and Dark Angel. Not sure if that will change anything, but he did propose a Terra Nova drinking game on Twitter.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Furiously on November 20, 2011, 07:00:10 PM
If it was drink every time you saw a dinosaur, you would be pretty darn sober by the end.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tannhauser on November 20, 2011, 07:04:19 PM
You saw dinosaurs in every single episode of 'Land of the Lost' and that was a Saturday morning kids show.

Just sayin'.



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on November 21, 2011, 06:52:44 AM
You saw dinosaurs in every single episode of 'Land of the Lost' and that was a Saturday morning kids show.

Just sayin'.



They just don't make Saturday morning kids shows like they used to.  So much goodness...now it's all english dubbed anime imports, and the stuff that isn't is on cable  :uhrr:

Anywho, regarding Terra Nova, like Camelot, it's still a silly place.  Maybe this next episode will improve things, since it seems things are starting to come to a head now that all the players have been established.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on December 19, 2011, 07:00:43 PM
Two-hour season finale just wrapped up.  I'll nutshell it along with the last few episodes for those playing along at home.



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: HaemishM on December 20, 2011, 07:30:08 AM
That sounds just as retarded as I expected, only with more  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on December 20, 2011, 08:46:42 AM
Meh... once it hits hulu, I'll finish out the season. Other shows have peaked my interest more this season though.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Xerapis on December 20, 2011, 12:35:56 PM
Yeah, I felt the reveal of the contents of the container from the Badlands was completely underwhelming.

I was hoping for


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: kaid on December 20, 2011, 02:02:19 PM
I think the spoilered wish twist would have been better but its not unexpected they need to keep the future past tension up for a bit.



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on December 20, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
I was thinking that, since they were cut off, the mercs and Terra Nova people would come to some kind of truce.  With the mystery of the Badlands now on the table, who knows what will happen.

The bigger question is, will we ever find out?  The show hasn't been renewed for a second season.  So, this finale does close up quite a few threads, while leaving some open for the future, just in case they get picked up again.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on December 21, 2011, 06:48:13 AM
There hasn't been a decision either way AFAIK.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on December 21, 2011, 07:47:43 AM
All I want to know is what happens to Sky? (from the show... not here)  everyone else can burn for all I care. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on December 21, 2011, 07:56:08 AM
All I want to know is what happens to Sky? (from the show... not here)  everyone else can burn for all I care. :oh_i_see:



Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: 01101010 on December 21, 2011, 09:49:48 AM
Not clicking that as I have gone through the whole season save for the finale. Hulu can be bitchy as to when it will allow me to watch for some reason. Not that I care. I am too busy with other shit. I did find myself wanting to choke out the son though... hot little number spots you up from day one and you are still pining for the girl back home? What the hell kind of teenager are you? Maybe teens in the future are just different  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Mrbloodworth on December 21, 2011, 10:20:16 AM
I blame it on the lack of clean air for most of his life.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Tale on March 05, 2012, 07:59:42 PM
Cancelled. (https://twitter.com/#!/JoseMolinaTV/status/176882200392900608)


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Draegan on March 08, 2012, 06:44:47 AM
Yay!  Now I don't have to watch this show just in case it got good.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Furiously on March 08, 2012, 10:10:10 PM
The good news is: The ending was still better than Lost's.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Threash on March 09, 2012, 05:14:41 AM
This was the worst of the recent "family drama in an interesting setting" rash of shows lately, the other two (falling skies and walking dead) are a bit better.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: luckton on March 09, 2012, 05:22:46 AM
I actually kinda liked this series, if anything because it was one of the few sci-fi shows that my wife enjoyed to watch as well.  Like Furious said, this one at least ended on a good note.  It wrapped up pretty much all of the season's story threads, and left enough material behind so that if it ever got picked up again it wouldn't be a total waste.

Still waiting to see what becomes of Falling Skies.


Title: Re: Terra Nova
Post by: Draegan on March 09, 2012, 08:08:59 AM
I'm watching Supernatural on Netflix.  Just discovered this show.  It's not great, but it's pretty decent to have on a second monitor as I play games.  It satisfies my sci-fi/fantasy show needs until GoT comes out and Spartacus comes out on DVD.