War

[Sir T]

Was just in QY6. BOB have several carriers and a mothership there repping guns. Why? So they can turn them on their own cyno jammer and blow it up. This is their sole strategy. Blow up their incapped cyno jammer so they can install a new one in the system and thereby maybe, just maybe save their towers in QY6 that by some magic formula are coming out the exact same time as the ones in TPAR in period basis. (Coalition hitting BOB towers in their prime time ftw) Oh and a bob pos blew up in sv5..

Its been dizzing. The level of activity has been immense and the startling thing is BOBs lack of ability to do anything other than jump bridge to Y and sit in system X with everyone.

Yeah, that was my point. Pretty much every other corp & alliance that lost bigtime in 0.0 started spewing exactly that sort of thing shortly prior to imploding/fleeing to empire/whatever: LV, -V-, RISE, CORM, GONAD, YouWhat, etc, etc. Hell, even Remedial's "Modest Proposal" shortly before he stole internet space-money from his only friends in the entire world* was pretty much the same thing - give up on conquerable 0.0 and flee to Syndicate for "good fights" (then Sesfan (is #1) did his "The line must be drawn here!" speech for XGH/9-9, Rev2 hit, & everything changed).

It interesting. IAC had its own little moment as well. All the yelling of the IAC forums bing a disaster focused on one single thread that was right after 25s. After that however it was "We are holding.. Holding.. give me one week of your time guys and I'll make it worth your while *one week where IAC held*.. " And the talk turned to When, not if we get the systems back. Some yelling about why there was not 5 towers in v2 and 5-n, and then we had a leadership change and the new leadership said "THEY SHALL NOT PASS" in F4R. And they didn't. MC dipped its toe in there and declared "contract complete!" and left.

BOB are not saying "they shall not pass", they are saying "Its all about the kills man!!!" They were saying "they shall not pass because we dont have the moral fortitude to shoot BOB towers," I.e. becasue BOB are elite and everyone else is weak, but now they are concentrating on the kill aspects as its obvious that the coalition is passing and they cant think of a thing to do to stop us. Which they still could, but it would mean taking some serious risks and from what I've seen BOB doesn't have the balls to do it or the strategic skill to even think of it.

[lac]

Tonight the pos's in tpar come out of reinforced close to 21:00 and the one in F20 comes out at around downtime wednesday. This is pretty significant since it was the first instance of RA + MC working together. The coalitions cooridnation has been improving lately. Albeit temporary, I hope it will bring good results.

Goons/coalition are doing an excellent job of keeping BoB forces busy, every time BoB are committed somewhere it seems like Goons or anyone for that matter is reinforcing ANYTHING within jump range.

If the level of attacks stays as high and coordinated as it was the last few days BoB will be losing space for sure. If it drops down to the level it was last week within the next few days, it will all have been for nothing.

The question seems to be this: how long can the coalition sustain a coordinated multi-front multi-alliance cap war with bob before people start to get bored/distracted/not all that interested anymore?

I guess we'll know more when towers start to go pop this week.

[Endie]

Having retreated from "they'll never take our space it'll die off in a week" to "we didn't want that space anyway it's all about the K/D ratio" Bob just got their entire fleet doomsdayed in a POS in a manuevre they can thank Shrike for introducing to the game: they were in their POS saying "dum de dum lol dumb Goons hey look a titan oh shiny lights never seen them before wtf sploitz wail".  The elite PvPers lost out bigger than any fleet I can remember offhand to a DD for absolutely months.

[dingusxavier]

Meh, give BoB some credit. I seem to remember several rather large KOS fleets getting completely destroyed via DD a month or so ago.

[Endie]

Meh, give BoB some credit. I seem to remember several rather large KOS fleets getting completely destroyed via DD a month or so ago.

Oh, I'm not saying it's the biggest, just that I can't remember ones like that recently.  I'm sure you're right, too: if anyone would handle it worse at the moment it would be KOS. :D

[JoeTF]

Oh, shut the fuck up - fleet was DDed due to pos password leak and not uber DDing skills as your post might suggest.
Certain dude was supposed to change password weeks ago, but apparently he was too busy salvage whoring every noobship wreck in Delve.

GG to russian intel and all I can really say that sometimes you must learn on tyour own mistakes:)

Also, I believe the ones who introduced this tactic were some northern monkeys DDing their own fleet inside POS, not Sir Molle.


PS. I didn't die there. Seriously.

[Endie]

Oh, shut the fuck up - fleet was DDed due to pos password leak and not uber DDing skills as your post might suggest.

Ooh, tetchy.  That's exactly what I allude to in my post: Shrike came up with that borderline exploit, but the forum porn from Bob at being on the receiving end is, apparently, awesome.  I can't wait.

Certain dude was supposed to change password weeks ago, but apparently he was too busy salvage whoring every noobship wreck in Delve.

Funny that it was just an old password like that, since we fucked around with another Bob pos using the same PW today.  Bob must have a lot of busy salvagers.

Also, I believe the ones who introduced this tactic were some northern monkeys DDing their own fleet inside POS, not Sir Molle.

Wait, so you did understand what I said in my post: why the non-sequitor then?

[Sir T]

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Warning may contain naked pod pic of ladyscarlet. 

Incidentally TPAR has been cleansed with fire and no longer has any BOB towers in it at all. It will revert to MC control tomorrow and the not inconsiderable MC cap fleet will be steaming NOLwards from tomorrow on. Thats it for Period basis as far as BOB controlled systems.

You see BOB had expertly timed the stront so that the TPAR and QY6 towers came out at the same time, so they had to choose where to blob. 

[Fordel]

I think the best thing BoB could have done, was kept all their forum mongers quiet, have Molle or whoever make the occasional "Good Fight!" post then when its all said and done, end it with:


"Welp, we lost."



So at least there last moments won't go down in EVE cliche comedy. They rarely had dignity in winning, at least have some in losing.

[Endie]

As well as getting cleared out of TPAR, Bob also got purged from Y-2, the second target system.  Bob, as planned in an afternoon tea in 1988 (illustrated with bubble charts) decided that they didn't mind losing towers as long as it wasn't to goons, and so focussed on QY6.  They've been desperately (in a totally "we don't want the space anyway" sort of way) spamming towers and even cynojammers into that system, but without success: we blew up a bunch of towers and left others in reinforced.

That said, i do get the feeling that it doesn't matter if we spend the entire campaign chewing away on QY6, so long as it means Bob are so focussed on defending it that our allies plough through the rest more easily.

You see, Suas is a lot like General Chuikov, while Razor & co are 5th Tank Army and the Tortugans are 51st Army...

Edit: three more Bob POSes in QY6 blown up this morning, and another put into reinforced with a pretty awful (for them) timer: it's as if they're already starting to get logistics failure.  There will be some hard fights and big losses over the next few weeks, but so far Bob have kinda flattered to deceive.

[Endie]

Next update: Bob lost two stations today.  The TPAR-G fell in the south, as Bob's Period Basis front collapsed after terrible stront timing.  In deciding to throw everything at the Goons in QY6, they basically had to accept that the Tortugans would have a clear run in the south.

Meanwhile, the Northern Coalition siezed Y-2ANO, after Bob failed to defend their own towers or reinforce Morsus Mihi's.

This success is illusionary.  We are dancing on the end of the puppet-master's strings.  By liberating Bob from the space that they have been forced - against their will - to hold for the past few years we are only making them stronger.

[Endie]

I'm only triple-posting because nobody else is updating this: I'm providing a service, here!

Anyway, we're hammering POS after POS in QY6.  Bob are doing incredibly dumb shit on a positively goon level of stupidity: not only logging out at POSes that they clearly believed were never going to get blown up, but just logging in without bothering to check if they are still there (protip: they're not).

One of those people was the head of RKK: he retardedly logged into our bubble, panicked, and self-destructed his carrier because we were slaughtering him.  This would be funny enough, but these are the guys who made fun of an ASCN guy for doing the same thing for ages.  This is their treatment of an enemy who did this:



We then killed Shrike's alt seconds after, and in the time it has taken me to write this post we've killed three more guys since.  This is fun.

Edit: Also, we have overflowed the maximum size of a fleet in Eve in Bob prime and are now well into a second fleet.  Molle's "guys they'll be so bored it'll be over in a week" strategy is looking a bit shaky.

[Meester]

Are there any efforts in taking BoB's last remaining outpost in Querious in 3BK-O7. Or will that be an afterthought? Just curious.

[Endie]

Are there any efforts in taking BoB's last remaining outpost in Querious in 3BK-O7. Or will that be an afterthought? Just curious.

Well, Mr Singlepost who is asking for our strategy, I am sorry to disappoint but I am not yet finished my long ascent to the highest levels of Goonfleet.  Specifically, I know nothing.  I'd say "first to go, last to know", but only the second part of that is true.

[tazelbain]

I wonder what will happen Delve.  What has happenned to all the other liberated space?

[Calantus]

So what exactly happens once BoB is dead? I take it the alliance against them will fall apart and you will take up fighting eachother again for kicks and giggles?

[dingusxavier]

Well, I think Goons are going to end up moving into Delve.

Hilariousity quotient infinite if that happens.

[Fordel]

So what exactly happens once BoB is dead? I take it the alliance against them will fall apart and you will take up fighting eachother again for kicks and giggles?

My guess? A whole bunch of nothing for at least a few months.

[Thrawn]

My guess? A whole bunch of nothing for at least a few months.

BAT will wardeck Goonswarm and fight them from Empire to keep the game interesting.

[Simond]

Well, I think Goons are going to end up moving into Delve.

I should be just about finished with Large Beam Spec by that point - finally, the conservative, laser-heavy portfolio pays off for the Amarr investor! 

[Sir T]

BOBs participation has fallen into the floor. Its actually stunning how totally beat down they seem at the moment. After 3 and a half days they seem to have totally given up. We are hammering towers in J-L the second station systems in their w-4u1e sov 4 constellation as we speak and no pos gunners came out to contest the poses.

Its stunning. 

[amiable]

BOBs participation has fallen into the floor. Its actually stunning how totally beat down they seem at the moment. After 3 and a half days they seem to have totally given up. We are hammering towers in J-L the second station systems in their w-4u1e sov 4 constellation as we speak and no pos gunners came out to contest the poses.

Its stunning. 

But didn't BoB state that they were immune to the failure cascade because they were "hardcore PvPers"? 

[Endie]

I'm sure that Bob will rally several times during this whole process: I suspect that none will be sustained in the long term, but they'll be able to do the whole red pen email to the membership a few times for key systems.

That said, the hilarious thing is that, even now when honesty might be a fair way to deal with their membership, Molle and the leadership are lying to their members, even to the extent of saying "It'll all be over in a week".  We're four days in, we've taken two station systems and are looking like maybe even breaking sov 4 (and at least sov 3) in one of Bob's strongholds.  We're killing stuff for fun, and last night was the probably the most fun I have ever had in Eve.  The best part was when Molle's cyno alt logged in, got popped at once by our camp (I didn't even have time to lock him), and Shrike immediately nerd-raged and logged out.

Apparently, Molle says we are bleeding like stuck pigs.  We're killing capitals every few hours.  We've been camping Bob into stations and at their (ex) POSes.  Their logistic guys are constantly fucking up stront timing (latest example: we reinforced a cynojammer pos in a key system a few minutes ago and it comes out in US primetime  ).

[TheWalrus]

Well, I think Goons are going to end up moving into Delve.

I should be just about finished with Large Beam Spec by that point - finally, the conservative, laser-heavy portfolio pays off for the Amarr investor! 

Thank you Dr.

[TheWalrus]

I'm sure that Bob will rally several times during this whole process: I suspect that none will be sustained in the long term, but they'll be able to do the whole red pen email to the membership a few times for key systems.

That said, the hilarious thing is that, even now when honesty might be a fair way to deal with their membership, Molle and the leadership are lying to their members, even to the extent of saying "It'll all be over in a week".  We're four days in, we've taken two station systems and are looking like maybe even breaking sov 4 (and at least sov 3) in one of Bob's strongholds.  We're killing stuff for fun, and last night was the probably the most fun I have ever had in Eve.  The best part was when Molle's cyno alt logged in, got popped at once by our camp (I didn't even have time to lock him), and Shrike immediately nerd-raged and logged out.

Apparently, Molle says we are bleeding like stuck pigs.  We're killing capitals every few hours.  We've been camping Bob into stations and at their (ex) POSes.  Their logistic guys are constantly fucking up stront timing (latest example: we reinforced a cynojammer pos in a key system a few minutes ago and it comes out in US primetime  ).

So the ol Iraqi public relations guy plays EVE? Odd that.

[LC]

It's their own fault really. I watched the recruitment forums for months, and noticed a few things:

1.  Friends of directors were let in no matter how awful their app was. I guess this happens everywhere though.
2.  US/NA players were usually rejected. Even for the smallest mistake in how they fit their ships.
3.  European players were almost always accepted even if they made the same mistakes in their apps. Excuses like "Well he lived in the north, and they fit ships differently up there. I'm sure he will learn quickly." were made for them. The only exceptions were those that the directors had a beef with.

It's really no surprise to me that they will lose in US primetime. I had to wait around 3 or 4 days (while they argued) to get one of my characters in when shinra merged with RKK. Because some of them held a grudge over some forum posts from 3 fucking years ago.

[cevik]

It's their own fault really. I watched the recruitment forums for months, and noticed a few things:

1.  Friends of directors were let in no matter how awful their app was. I guess this happens everywhere though.
2.  US/NA players were usually rejected. Even for the smallest mistake in how they fit their ships.
3.  European players were almost always accepted even if they made the same mistakes in their apps. Excuses like "Well he lived in the north, and they fit ships differently up there. I'm sure he will learn quickly." were made for them. The only exceptions were those that the directors had a beef with.

It's really no surprise to me that they will lose in US primetime. I had to wait around 3 or 4 days (while they argued) to get one of my characters in when shinra merged with RKK. Because some of them held a grudge over some forum posts from 3 fucking years ago.

Whoah.

LC just criticized BoB?  I guess this means that GS is really actually going to win the war.

[Endie]

Whoah.

LC just criticized BoB?  I guess this means that GS is really actually going to win the war.

LC and a bunch of other former Shinra people left Bob recently, with Chowdown.  Although technically aligned with Bob, their treatment by their former alliance-mates has reportedly been pretty shabby, so he can be expected to have a fairly detached viewpoint.

Edit:

Are there any efforts in taking BoB's last remaining outpost in Querious in 3BK-O7. Or will that be an afterthought? Just curious.

I suppose it's no longer opsec to answer this now.  As you asked, we had split our vast fleet in two: half of us were enough to go and reinforce every single tower in 3BK.  I was in the other, lucky half who got to camp where a lot of Bob had carelessly logged out at a POS which we had seen fit to remove, and they were feeding us a steady trickle of their more retarded members as they logged back in.  I'd had carrier KMs before on another character, but this was my first on my GF character.  It would have been two, but RKK's (I think) CEO, as mentioned, threw a tantrum and self-destructed when he realised what he'd done.

[cevik]

LC and a bunch of other former Shinra people left Bob recently, with Chowdown.  Although technically aligned with Bob, their treatment by their former alliance-mates has reportedly been pretty shabby, so he can be expected to have a fairly detached viewpoint.

Sure, but since I can't follow all the eveisms around here (having never played more than 2 days of the 14 day free trial), I've spent the last year judging the progress of the war by a careful analysis of the ratio of JoeTF/LC to Endie/Simond posts per page.  The more JTF/LC posts, the better BoB is doing, the more E/S posts the better GS.

Don't forget, only 14 days ago LC was daring you to blow up his PoS (whatever that is) and posting links to how GS is all getting bored and quitting.  Now a mere 14 days later he's quit the alliance and is talking bad about BoB.  I mean he's destroyed the entire metric I've created for BoB's progress in the span of two weeks.

I figure if you guys have gotten LC, Molle (whoever that is) can't be far behind.

It's kinda like seeing Dick Cheney get on the TV and say "I never really liked that George Bush guy anyways, this whole administration stunk"..

[Hoax]

Cevik, come fly with us, its pretty fun being able to pirate at will once you l2p which usually takes about 4 trial attempts.

[Simond]

Sure, but since I can't follow all the eveisms around here (having never played more than 2 days of the 14 day free trial), I've spent the last year judging the progress of the war by a careful analysis of the ratio of JoeTF/LC to Endie/Simond posts per page.  The more JTF/LC posts, the better BoB is doing, the more E/S posts the better GS.

poast 

[Endie]

Post.

(Fuck this winning is easier than I thought.)

[LC]

Don't forget, only 14 days ago LC was daring you to blow up his PoS (whatever that is) and posting links to how GS is all getting bored and quitting.  Now a mere 14 days later he's quit the alliance and is talking bad about BoB.  I mean he's destroyed the entire metric I've created for BoB's progress in the span of two weeks.

I wasn't daring them to blow it up. I was completely serious. I hated that POS, and I hated being forced to fuel it so I didn't have to pay 1bil isk to the corp weekly to keep my membership.

[Morat20]

I wasn't daring them to blow it up. I was completely serious. I hated that POS, and I hated being forced to fuel it so I didn't have to pay 1bil isk to the corp weekly to keep my membership.

While I'm sure that's a part of 0.0 life, I'm rather grateful my support for Bat Country consists of that 1% of my sales, bounties, and mission rewards. I actually feel like I'm helping out a bit while I totally ignore them.

Of course, I'm so poor that my "giant sell orders" of 100 million+ ISK will net the corp a mere million, but still....doing something! :)

[Endie]

I wasn't daring them to blow it up. I was completely serious. I hated that POS, and I hated being forced to fuel it so I didn't have to pay 1bil isk to the corp weekly to keep my membership.

This is a particularly fine LC troll, no?!?

Wait, that's 40+ hours a week ratting.  You are kidding.