Tom Clancy's The Division

[Surlyboi]

I'll see if I can find good images of the additional ones.

Boom. http://imgur.com/a/Ppquh

[01101010]

Digging the firefighter suit. 

[lesion]

This game feels good. Not sure if it feels Full Price good.

[Surlyboi]

Rolled into the DZ today for the first time in the open beta and there're two rogues just hanging out at the quarantine gate, waiting for anyone to come in and lighting them up.

I toss one of the new suppression turrets over their shoulders and catch them in the crossfire. Four other people come rushing around the corner and help finish them off.

Stupid bastards.

[Azazel]

Well, I just tried to extract 1 item from the DZ. A bunch of mobs rushed me at the end and other players helped out. Of course, some (unflagged) guy ran in from the direction that the mobs were coming from and I hosed him down, thinking he was another mob, flagging myself rogue in the process. The friendlies then understandably cut me to pieces. Hmm...

[Ginaz]

I played a bit of the beta yesterday and it's not bad but it's not worth $80 CDN.

[lesion]

They should just remake the APB beta and not fuck it up on release. Rename it "Tom Clancy's Cops 'n Robbers", keep the ARPG loot system, shovel $$$ into hats.

[Nija]

Is the design of the dark zone as stupid as it appears to be?

I tried this out tonight on PS4. From the looks of it, once you attack someone you go red and you get a countdown timer until you turn normal again. Basically once you turn red, anyone can kill you with no remorse.

The thing is, I was in an an area rolling around with random dudes and an organized group was there, they'd flip red, kill some people (me included usually) and then be gray in a short period of time.

You'd often get in the scenario where you turn a corner and there's the group of 4 dudes, standing there, not red for whatever reason, and they light you up and THEN they go red.

Then you'd respawn, go back out there, kill some NPCs and there was the same group of 4, not red, who would kill you and briefly flip red.

Repeat forever. Is that really how it works?! Come on.

[Falconeer]

Yes, that is how it works. Basically, after the first time they kill you, you should play cat and mouse with them the next time you see them even if they are white. Also worth mentioning that if they kill you, they turn red long enough for you to go back in the zone and hunt them back.

With al that said, there's actual risk vs. reward involved in turning red which is not so obvious in your first few hours in the beta, as you lose way more cash AND experience when you die as a red, so I am not sure people will be so trigger happy in the actual launched game considering every time you kill someone for loot you could get a shitty item and in return risk being killed and lose money, experience and even levels (which means you access to some of the items you already had equipped)

[Bunk]

Is it just me, or does this game have the clunkiest set of non-intuitive PC controls (inventory, character, etc) I've ever seen?

[01101010]

Is the design of the dark zone as stupid as it appears to be?

I tried this out tonight on PS4. From the looks of it, once you attack someone you go red and you get a countdown timer until you turn normal again. Basically once you turn red, anyone can kill you with no remorse.

The thing is, I was in an an area rolling around with random dudes and an organized group was there, they'd flip red, kill some people (me included usually) and then be gray in a short period of time.

You'd often get in the scenario where you turn a corner and there's the group of 4 dudes, standing there, not red for whatever reason, and they light you up and THEN they go red.

Then you'd respawn, go back out there, kill some NPCs and there was the same group of 4, not red, who would kill you and briefly flip red.

Repeat forever. Is that really how it works?! Come on.

Killing an agent nets you what? 85 seconds of rogue? Respawn and run all the way back, yeah I can see it. My first DZ experience was me running after some rogue agent at half health. He engages a group of mobs, I kill him along with another guy who jumps into my fire. I go rogue for like 13 seconds and he turns on me. So I jumped away and killed him then hid in a truck in a warehouse. Ran to 2 extraction zones and helped out a few players and even rezz'd one, then left to go run the Garden on hard mode with a buddy. The 20 minutes in the DZ was pretty damn fun and full of paranoia so that probably sold me on throwing some money at it.

[Riggswolfe]

I tried this today. It's fun but they've made some boneheaded moves. Number one for me? I can't name my character. It probably doesn't matter to you guys but my character name is my username for Uplay? WTF?

Their chat interface is awful, it reminds me of Defiance. No clans/guilds?

[Evildrider]

No clans/guilds as far as I know.. It's not an MMO, I didn't see the reason for one personally.  I think they just want you to use the Uplay friend list for most of it.

As for the game, I ended up ordering it. 

[MrHat]

No clans/guilds as far as I know.. It's not an MMO, I didn't see the reason for one personally.  I think they just want you to use the Uplay friend list for most of it.

As for the game, I ended up ordering it. 

I was pretty meh on it the entire weekend but ended up logging in every chance I could.  Good enough for me.

[01101010]

Just got out of running around with 2 buddies in the DZ for about an hour or two. Cleared a few building with some yellow mobs and got 2 extractions with some blue loot. Last 15 minutes, got chased but a group of 5 rogue agents, all lvl5 rogue and 1 with a manhunt on him. We end up at an extraction with 3 other people - the rogues came through like a wave and just mauled all of us - 2 of the agents waiting ran off, me and my buddies tried to engage but were gunned down pretty quick. Actually, all 4 guys shot sticky bombs at the helipad and 1 of my buddies flew over my head from the explosion. I then got shot and melee'd to death.

And now I am out $60...and have to wait 2 weeks. 

[Evildrider]

No clans/guilds as far as I know.. It's not an MMO, I didn't see the reason for one personally.  I think they just want you to use the Uplay friend list for most of it.

As for the game, I ended up ordering it. 

I was pretty meh on it the entire weekend but ended up logging in every chance I could.  Good enough for me.

Yeah I played it for a couple of hours and forced myself to stop, cuz I like playing as fresh as possible at launch. 

[Surlyboi]

Ran afoul of a squad of three rogues last night several DZ levels below me and none sporting anything better than a blue primary. The first tries to light me up and I drop him immediately. His boys try to flank me but I'm geared out in all purples and the Liberator as my primary.

It basically went down a lot like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0yEWvLRE4Q

Fucking asshats.

[Strazos]

Had fun, hit lvl 8/11, much more fun with friends.

[Gets]

I tried this today. It's fun but they've made some boneheaded moves. Number one for me? I can't name my character. It probably doesn't matter to you guys but my character name is my username for Uplay? WTF?

Their chat interface is awful, it reminds me of Defiance. No clans/guilds?

You can change your UPlay name. Your friend's list is your guild.

[Riggswolfe]

I tried this today. It's fun but they've made some boneheaded moves. Number one for me? I can't name my character. It probably doesn't matter to you guys but my character name is my username for Uplay? WTF?

Their chat interface is awful, it reminds me of Defiance. No clans/guilds?

You can change your UPlay name. Your friend's list is your guild.

I know you can change your Uplay name but if you read interviews they tout how this is a deep RPG as well as a shooter, yet, all 4 of my characters would have the same name. By RPG what they really mean is "we have some skills in the game and you can dress up your character."

[Brolan]

Anyone have an opinion on if PC or Xbox version is better?  I played the Xbox beta and it would seem a mouse would beat the the controller hands-down.

[Falconeer]

I really don't understand these questions. PC is million times better. How could it be any different?

[01101010]

PC is also more susceptible to hackers - the trade off I guess. That is probably the only drawback. I'm running it on the PS4 because I am lazy and like couch gaming. 

[Riggswolfe]

You trade superior graphics and controls for dealing with hackers.

[Surlyboi]

I'll take that trade.

Players are asshats regardless, limit their ability to cheat and be bigger asshats.

[Ginaz]

I'll take that trade.

Players are asshats regardless, limit their ability to cheat and be bigger asshats.

I would, too, but I'm incapable of playing anything other than fighting and racing games with a controller.

[ezrast]

Why is all the hype for this game so DZ-centric? I enjoyed exploring the city and thought the PvE missions were well-done and unique (also, loot). The Dark Zone was a cute diversion but there are a billion other shooters I'd play before spending any significant amount of time there. Are you guys actually buying this for the competitive multiplayer?

[Azazel]

The SP is solid, but... it's nothing amazing. I spent about half my time in the Beta (probably played about 6-8 hours in total) poking around in the DZ because I wanted to see how it played - since the "SP/PVE" is much of the same thing we've done a million times before. Also, all of the hype about the DZ loot being "the best loot is in the DZ", so it seems they're wanting to really incentivise it.

[01101010]

I spent Friday and Saturday doing the PvE stuff and trying to find all the trinkets (phones, folders, echos) with two characters. So I had my fill of the single player part. Even had a chance to play with my buddy and noticed the mob density increased and their behavior altered slightly. It was pretty solid for being such a brief demo. Nothing at all against the single player part. DZ was just a little more intense and had more chaos which I found pretty interesting since I haven't been into PvP areas of games since basically Planetside (circa 2003).

[Falconeer]

To me, this game won't last much. I want to play it for a while, enough not to get bored and fall into too much repetition, and I am gonna enjoy the exploration of New York in a setting I really like while at it. That means I am gonna spend some time in PvE, which seems very easy and relaxing, while also following the story which is a pleasant bonus, and then engage in some PvP when and if my friends are around or if I want a change of pace and I'm just looking for some unpredictable action that sometimes leads to memorable moments. So, not much investment in one side or the other of the Pv* equation, just looking to enjoy a new game that plays smooth enough and seems to offer at least a couple of different game modes.

[Nija]

I think people are ignoring the PVE part because IN THE BETA they blast you with a "carry this from A to B and OH YEAH you can only walk at a snails pace and have to put it down a few times to fight off waves of attackers that are announced over a PA system" quest. If they put THAT in the beta, what do they actually consider to be bad quest design? The sky is the fucking limit here.

[Azazel]

Basically, I enjoyed it, but not enough to need to buy it on release. I'm not in competition with others nor do I feel a need to rush to the endgame, so with that in mind, I'm personally happy to wait and see. I'll probably pick it up the first time it goes on digital sale on PSN so my wife and I can both play at the same time using the one purchase via family sharing - even though it'll probably be a month or three before it hits a first sale.

[Ginaz]

If you're thinking of buying this for PC, try Green Man Gaming.  They have it on sale for 28% off.

[Cadaverine]

If you're thinking of buying this for PC, try Green Man Gaming.  They have it on sale for 28% off.

Must have been a 24 hour sale, or something as it's $59.99 currently.

[NiX]

You can get the gold version for $67.50 using these steps.

Why is all the hype for this game so DZ-centric? I enjoyed exploring the city and thought the PvE missions were well-done and unique (also, loot). The Dark Zone was a cute diversion but there are a billion other shooters I'd play before spending any significant amount of time there. Are you guys actually buying this for the competitive multiplayer?

What billion other shooters have something similar to the Dark Zone? I don't think it fits under the traditional classification of "competitive multiplayer".