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Tale
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Jesus this fucking picture throws my brain into some sick coding loop. It's still 25%, or 50%, depending on where you want to stop after the nth time. 2/4 are correct, making the answer 50%. Except only 1 answer is 50%, giving you a 25% chance of guessing the correct answer, of which there are 2.... Sigh, I could totally get the old man to run this shit on his students if they wouldn't all just guess potato.
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Samwise
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What if the answers were:
A) 25% B) 50% C) 50% D) 100%
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Tebonas
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Then it would be A, easy as pie. The Logical Loop in the other one is fun, though
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I don't understand the question.
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Goumindong
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I don't understand the question.
The question is "if you were to answer this question at random, you would be correct what % of the time" You would select any of them with a probability 1/4, which is the "random" assumption. Thus, assuming 1 correct answer you have a 25% chance of landing on the right one. Assuming two possible correct answers then you would have a 50% chance of landing on the right one. Thus, in order for the question to have an answer there can be only one option labeled "25%" or two options labeled "50%". I.E. the listed probability must be consistent with the actual probability you land on it or there is a logical contradiction. Many people will go in a loop because they will say "there are two 25%'s so the answer is 50% so the answer is 25% so the answer" and so on and so forth. The actual "answer" is probably "0%", so long as its written in. Its correct under whatever paradigm you would like to look at the problem, as if your selection was random in the set then the answer is 0%, and if your selection was random over the range of probabilities not only including the set the answer would still be 0%.
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Thanks! Although now I understand, I think my initial instinct not to understand the question was probably my best option. Being relevant: Optimus Prime made from old car bits.
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The actual "answer" is probably "0%" I'd go for 0, too. My thinking is: A 25 B 50 C 60 D 25There's a 50% chance to pick "25" and 25% chance to pick "50" and 25% chance to pick "60". But each time you make a choice, the answer you pick is or becomes the wrong percentage. Thus you're always wrong not matter what you pick, and the chance to pick the correct answer is 0%. For A 25 B 50 C 50 D 100There's a 25% chance to pick 25, a 50% chance to pick 50, and a 25% chance to pick 100. Each time you pick an answer, the number is correct as a percentage (D turns out to be correct if you pick it and consider all the other choices), so the chance to pick a correct answer is 100% cause they're all correct.
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Venkman
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The actual "answer" is probably "0%" I'd go for 0, too. My thinking is: Think I'm odd, but I was going with a write-in of 33%. Two answers are the same, so there's really only 3 options.
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A 25 B 50 C 50 D 100
There's a 25% chance to pick 25, a 50% chance to pick 50, and a 25% chance to pick 100. Each time you pick an answer, the number is correct as a percentage (D turns out to be correct if you pick it and consider all the other choices), so the chance to pick a correct answer is 100% cause they're all correct.
I dunno about that. If you pick D, that means every answer is correct, so any answer other than 100% would be wrong, and since the other answers aren't 100%, they are wrong, so 100% itself has to be wrong. It's internally inconsistent. 0% is wrong for a similar reason (if you answer 0%, it's automatically wrong because if it wasn't, it would be right, and therefore the chance of answering right wouldn't be 0%). It's like the old "this statement is a lie" chestnut. The problem is that formally, things like probability and truth refer to statements about the real world, while in the context of these problems, they refer to hypothetical events which logically can not occur, and so you can't measure the probability objectively. And the theoretical answer depends on the formulation of the problem, which is specifically designed to be infinitely recursive. So there is no objectively right answer, and no theoretically right answer. EDIT: To put the 0% thing another way: If you answer 0%, there's automatically a non-zero chance of answering 0% (otherwise it would be impossible). If 0% is the correct answer, then that non-zero chance is the probability of choosing the correct answer. So the answer depends on a contradiction: a non-zero chance being equal to zero. The only way 0% works is if you CAN'T choose 0%, but choose 0% anyway (which is another logical contradiction).
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« Last Edit: November 21, 2012, 06:32:30 PM by Kail »
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Samwise
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The actual "answer" is probably "0%" I'd go for 0, too. My thinking is: Think I'm odd, but I was going with a write-in of 33%. Two answers are the same, so there's really only 3 options. If the option isn't on the list and it's non-zero, then it can't be correct. I think I like my version (25/50/50/100) better as a brainteaser. Ajax's reasoning is mostly good but I don't think it can be correct to say that something simultaneously has multiple different probabilities of happening, which means that there can only be one correct answer. The real answer, I think, is that you don't have enough information to determine what that correct answer is -- it depends on what the test's author decided to write on the answer sheet, and that can't be predicted by probability. You can, however, say that given the available information, the only POSSIBLE solutions are 25, 50, and 0. (fakeedit: what Kail said about 100% being wrong, but I do still think that 25%, 50%, and 0% are each POTENTIALLY internally consistent, in that they each match the probability of being picked off that list of choices -- the only unknown is which of them has been arbitrarily designated as the single "correct" answer.)
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« Last Edit: November 21, 2012, 06:03:18 PM by Samwise »
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TheWalrus
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It's rare that I see a picture in here that qualifies as awesome. That one crosses the line with ease.
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I dunno about that. If you pick D, that means every answer is correct, so any answer other than 100% would be wrong, and since the other answers aren't 100%, they are wrong, so 100% itself has to be wrong. It's internally inconsistent. 0% is wrong for a similar reason (if you answer 0%, it's automatically wrong because if it wasn't, it would be right, and therefore the chance of answering right wouldn't be 0%).
The probability of randomly answering "0%" is 0%. It would not be the case that the probability of randomly answering "0%" would be "0%" if it was an option on the list. But its not an option on the list. The other way to look at the question is if you're guessing on a distribution. And the probability of ever answering correctly over a continuous range is always 0%. The other, joke answer is to write in e) 20% because that would be consistent
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The answer is you get the question wrong. Every answer is wrong. Stop thinking about it more than that.
What is 2+2?
A. 1 B. 2 C. 3 D. 17
WRONG!
Same concept.
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The answer is you get the question wrong. Every answer is wrong. Stop thinking about it more than that.
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Now it all makes sense. It was useless.
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The answer is you get the question wrong. Every answer is wrong. Stop thinking about it more than that.
What is 2+2?
A. 1 B. 2 C. 3 D. 17
WRONG!
Same concept.
It's actually more wrong than that! Self-referencing constructs aren't valid in formal logic, so the other thing is, arguably, not even a question.
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Tebonas
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For people really interested in things like this:
Gödel, Escher, Bach – An Eternal Golden Braid
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That is cute, funny AND awesome!
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Oh my GOD that is adorable
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That cat doesn't seem to be jumping from that high judging from the reflection in the windscreen.
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Not to mention that cats will get hit by cars, prance off into the bushes with no apparent damage done, and then die miserable, broken deaths. What I am saying is, there is no reason to believe that kitty didn't seriously injure itself.
Not an awesome picture.
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Kail
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It's actually more wrong than that! Self-referencing constructs aren't valid in formal logic, so the other thing is, arguably, not even a question.
They're still interesting, though! (Sorry if reposted)
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Is that some kind of weird photo morph of a fox and a deer?
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It's a maned wolf. It's a canid, but it's not a wolf or a fox and, although adorable, not a deer. It's special.
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