SWTOR

[Triforcer]

I predict that in an effort to bend over backwards to make sure Jedi/Sith aren't the "best" classes, they will be the most underpowered and totally useless in PvP at launch.  The best class will be something like Smuggler, because they will beef up the most obscure classes and forget to remove the ability to attack while remaining stealthed 

[UnSub]

If Jedi / Sith are overpowered, players will complain.

If Jedi / Sith aren't overpowered, SW fanbois / those who only watch the movies will complain.

Welcome to hell, BioWare. Welcome. To. Hell. 

[Hawkbit]

players will complain.

[Rendakor]

If Jedi / Sith are overpowered, players the four people who aren't playing them will complain.

FIFY

[UnSub]

My personal thanks to Lum for bringing this to my attention.
 

[Falwell]

My personal thanks to Lum for bringing this to my attention.

 If I were to read just the quote boxes, it reads like some 14 year old moderating his PVP guild forums during a hissy fit.

[rattran]

My personal thanks to Lum for bringing this to my attention.

 If I were to read just the quote boxes, it reads like some 14 year old moderating his PVP guild forums during a hissy fit.

If you read the whole thing, it reads like some 14 year old moderating his PVP guild forums during a hissy fit.

[Falwell]

My personal thanks to Lum for bringing this to my attention.

 If I were to read just the quote boxes, it reads like some 14 year old moderating his PVP guild forums during a hissy fit.

If you read the whole thing, it reads like some 14 year old moderating his PVP guild forums during a hissy fit.

True, but at least I can lie to myself and pretend this guy isn't getting paid for it my way.

[gryeyes]

Its so much worse than it first appears on Lums blog. He has to be piss drunk.

[Brogarn]

My personal thanks to Lum for bringing this to my attention.
 

I saw that entry yesterday, but didn't actually read through all of it. I just did. 

[taolurker]

I'm pretty sure that there was already a 100 page thread about that other SW game in the Graveyard, which was currently discussing forum meltdowns and Community reps.

What does this have to do with Old Republic (Shadowbane)?

It's a great lesson how not to do CM, but other than that it likely doesn't belong here.

[Surlyboi]

Relax, said the night man
We are, programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave.

[UnSub]

The common theme is that it's a Star Wars MMO and forum drama brought on by bad CM decisions. Besides, there isn't anything else to say about SWOR at this point in time.

[Murgos]

Hey look!

In game video: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59136

edit: official site: http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/classes/smuggler

[eldaec]

introduces the first cover system in an MMO. The game will dynamically assign nearby points of cover, allowing players to jump behind objects during firefights.

Or to put it another way, OMG! Not quite Collision detection!

[ashrik]

I'll tell you what, it does make the common MMO fight look significantly more cinematic. Enthusiasm rising. Also Check out that 3rd outfit under "outfitting"

[TripleDES]

In game video: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/59136

Those are some crappy animations...

[Surlyboi]

I'm digging the shit out of that hat.

[Malakili]

I'll tell you what, it does make the common MMO fight look significantly more cinematic. Enthusiasm rising.

I dunno, it looked fairly run of the mill to me.  Hell, turn off the UI in any MMO and it'll look more cinematic.  I'll admit the cover helps a bit, but other than that I didn't see much that was drastically different.  Its own spin on MMO combat, perhaps, but I wouldn't say significantly more cinematic.

[eldaec]

Looked exactly like post nge swg to me.

This cover system will translate into 'stand here for +10% chance to dodge'.


And I'm also really hoping they plan to work some more on those animations.

[SnakeCharmer]

introduces the first cover system in an MMO. The game will dynamically assign nearby points of cover, allowing players to jump behind objects during firefights.

Or to put it another way, OMG! Not quite Collision detection!

Not really, no.  Stargate Worlds had it in a 'round about way.  TOR looks to have nodes that you snap to/from for cover, whereas SGW just had objects that provided varying degrees of damage mitigation.

If an MMO introduces a true cover system like whats in Mass Effect, Gears of War, Rainbow 6, Uncharted and others, I'd be in absolute heaven.  But I suppose that MMO would have to be gun based rather than casting a fireball from ones ass.

[Malakili]

introduces the first cover system in an MMO. The game will dynamically assign nearby points of cover, allowing players to jump behind objects during firefights.

Or to put it another way, OMG! Not quite Collision detection!

Not really, no.  Stargate Worlds had it in a 'round about way.  TOR looks to have nodes that you snap to/from for cover, whereas SGW just had objects that provided varying degrees of damage mitigation.

If an MMO introduces a true cover system like whats in Mass Effect, Gears of War, Rainbow 6, Uncharted and others, I'd be in absolute heaven.  But I suppose that MMO would have to be gun based rather than casting a fireball from ones ass.

I would say that any potential MMOFPS has a build in cover system called hiding behind things.

[Triforcer]

I'm wondering how a "cover" system like that would work in PvP.  Staying stationary in PvP is usually bad. 

[Venkman]

I would say that any potential MMOFPS has a build in cover system called hiding behind things.

Yes. But that doesn't apply to TOR.

[SnakeCharmer]

I would say that any potential MMOFPS has a build in cover system called hiding behind things.

I should have elaborated.  I want the animations of my character leaning against the wall/rock/whatever and either blind firing over or around it, or popping out for a headshot.  It already exists in FPS, but there's no reason it couldnt be applied to an MMO (FPS or otherwise).  It just requires the right setting (guns instead of fireballs).

[Margalis]

I love that in the last part of that clip the character is standing to the side of an obstacle rather than behind it and is still in cover.

[Malakili]

I would say that any potential MMOFPS has a build in cover system called hiding behind things.

I should have elaborated.  I want the animations of my character leaning against the wall/rock/whatever and either blind firing over or around it, or popping out for a headshot.  It already exists in FPS, but there's no reason it couldnt be applied to an MMO (FPS or otherwise).  It just requires the right setting (guns instead of fireballs).

I think GTA IV had an excellent cover system actually, something like that would be nice.  I guess that is kind of a shooter (in those instances when you are in cover), but it does have the toggle hiding/animation stuff.  I'm not so sure it would work quite as well in a turn based combat system, or at least that it feel quite right in that scenario.

[tmp]

Must be missing something here because the "cover system" has already been implemented in quite a few MMOs i think, simply through the line of sight checks that prevent using skills/abilities on people hiding behind walls, trees and shit. OK so there's no dedicated animation for wall humping when you are in a spot that provides such cover, but actual functionality isn't exactly new?

[Ratman_tf]

OK so there's no dedicated animation for wall humping when you are in a spot that provides such cover,

I think that's the feature people are jonesing for.

[Malakili]

wall humping

I think this illustrates exactly why most people don't like modern implementation of cover.

[ashrik]

Most people don't like the modern implementation of cover?

[Murgos]

Most people talk out of their ass and then say things like, 'most people' as though they had done a survey so that their silly opinion sounds credible.

[Surlyboi]

Most people say weasel words...

[Mrbloodworth]

The more I see screens and video from this title, the more I enjoy the art style they have chosen.

[Murgos]

The more I see screens and video from this title, the more I enjoy the art style they have chosen.

I like it in that the style implies the game has quick and exciting action.  Hopefully, it actually does.