SW - Episode 7: Mary Sue wakes up but there's no coffee. RAGE.

[Margalis]

Like back when everyone was hoping that Matrix 3 would reveal that the rebellion was the 'real' matrix.

That theory was so much better than what actually happened and also makes more sense. The idea that people unhappy in the matrix get placed in another matrix that indulges their rebellious nature is great. I was really hoping the reveal was that it's matrices all the way down.

[Soln]

I'm getting an ISIS insurgency feel from these clips.  I wonder where the rest of the galaxy/alliance went.  Be interesting to see how they frame the alliance now as (another?) rebellion.

I'm not sold on Rey going dark.  Could be 50/50.  Someone is going to get it and it looks like Finn, since he's the one with the other sabre.  If so, pushes Rey along dark or light.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Who are you? "I'm no one"  Just that line alone, insecurity, doubt.  Then we see shots of her crying, shooting a blaster with a rageface, all extreme emotions. Not to mention the posters have been putting her in between the light/dark side and I think there are only a couple scenarios.  Either she goes full on sith and gets redeemed in the last movie or she somehow goes the grey jedi route, true balance and all that, something luke may actually teach her.  JJ is on record as being a fan of KOTOR and bastilla was a big part of what made that game good.

[Merusk]

Grey Jedi were part of the EU and jettisoned. I don't expect them to make a return since Disney and the masses aren't big fans of subjectivity.

I do believe we'll see Rey as the fall/ redemption in this cycle. She's the one that kills Luke and he returns as a Force ghost in VIII (since they're already filming and Hamill's been in the area.)

[DraconianOne]

JJ is on record as being a fan of KOTOR and bastilla was a big part of what made that game good.

Interesting - hadn't heard this before. Do you have a link to a source for that?

[Soln]

Those are all good arguments.  Thanks.

In other speculation, the Star Destroyer on Jakku brought down by Luke, as in Force Unleashed2?  Explains why it's still mostly together.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Grey Jedi were part of the EU and jettisoned. I don't expect them to make a return since Disney and the masses aren't big fans of subjectivity.

Possible but they have been a point of cherry picking EU material already so it's all fair game to be included if it works.

[Evildrider]

Ahsoka in Rebels is pretty much a Grey Jedi.

[Samprimary]

grey jedi stuff is an oft-abandoned thing. canon holds it to be, quite strictly, a mistake by people who think they can play with the dark side without the inevitable repercussions.

which of course was abandoned at convenience by extended universe, so

[Khaldun]

They are always going to come back to the basic idea even if they abandon it in "canon"--there is no "Knights of the Round Table v. bad knights" that doesn't eventually have to talk about people who aren't clearly one or the other just to create narrative tension.

[Evildrider]

[Merusk]

Japanese Trailer with lots of different footage including a shot of TIEs coming out of a Sunset which looks fantastic. 
http://kotaku.com/the-japanese-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-has-lo-1740954589

I took a screenshot at the highest res YouTube allowed:

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[01101010]

Japanese Trailer with lots of different footage including a shot of TIEs coming out of a Sunset which looks fantastic. 
http://kotaku.com/the-japanese-star-wars-the-force-awakens-trailer-has-lo-1740954589

I took a screenshot at the highest res YouTube allowed:

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Still not completely sold, but that trailer piqued my interest more so than the other stuff.

[Shannow]

Wierd that it shows so much different stuff than the other trailers. Plus lets show lots of the cute robot! 

[calapine]

I took a screenshot at the highest res YouTube allowed:

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It's really subtle, but this almost looks like a homage to Apocalypse Now. Would be interesting to know if JJ Abrams heard of that film. 

[Khaldun]

Man, I don't think it's subtle at all. That's a deliberate easter-egg level homage.

[HaemishM]

Abrams did an entire big budget movie that was an homage/love letter/remake of fucking E.T. You can bet it was deliberate.

[Merusk]

Man, I don't think it's subtle at all. That's a deliberate easter-egg level homage.

I'm pretty sure she was being sarcastic.

[calapine]

Man, I don't think it's subtle at all. That's a deliberate easter-egg level homage.

I'm pretty sure she was being sarcastic.

Yeps. Thought was obvious, will green next time.  

And now I have a bad concious for derailing the thread, so here are all trailers so far mashed together in one long version.

[Ghambit]

That tie-fighter "air-cav" shot NEEDS to be on my wall as a poster. 

[Malakili]

since Disney and the masses aren't big fans of subjectivity.

Only the sith deal in absolutes!

[Viin]

I don't even know when this comes out. This year?

[01101010]

December

[jgsugden]

December

To be more precise, just in time to generate Christmas toy sales US Dec 18.

[sickrubik]

December

To be more precise, just in time to generate Christmas toy sales US Dec 18.

To be even more precise, it opens Dec 17 in the US.

[jgsugden]

December

To be more precise, just in time to generate Christmas toy sales US Dec 18.

To be even more precise, it opens Dec 17 in the US.

To be more accurate: December 18 is the release date.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_dt_dt

Official release date is the 18th, some screens show the night of the 17th, LA premiere on the 14th, likely to be leaked on the internet the 12th.

[sickrubik]

Some? Every theater (that is showing it) I can find within 100 miles is showing it on Dec 17.

This is the stupidest use of "opens" ever. It Opens Dec 17.

Not like we're talking about midnight screenings anymore. The showings start in the evenings these days.

[Merusk]

Pedantry on the internet is a new thing that I'm just not completely happy with.


 

[jgsugden]

Huh, this thing goes up to 11:

You said theaters.  I said screens. 

Further, a US audience (of 1) has already seen it, so technically the premiere has already taken place.  Further, the guy that watched it died soon after, so that doesn't make the film seem too awesome.  We should be arguing about how this movie kills people.

[HaemishM]

Stop shitting up this thread with stupidity.

[Evildrider]

Stop shitting up this thread with stupidity.

[jgsugden]

Stop shitting up this thread with stupidity.

My sincerest apologies.  I did not mean to distract from the discussion of Space Station / Droid breeding. 

[HaemishM]

Do you really think your discussion of what the fuck opening/premiere dates mean was somehow better?

[Shannow]

Here you lot watch the new TV spot instead

[Merusk]

A month out. I see I'm going to have to turn off the interwebs until the 17th to avoid seeing more. (I feel like I've already seen the whole X vs Tie fight because someone mashed all the trailer footage together.)

Good thing Fallout just came out.