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Lakov_Sanite
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I agree with Merusk. I don't understand the Cata underwater hate...clearly they've not played underwater in other games Vash'jir didn't suck simply because it was underwater. It was terrible in the amount of gating and inability to go off the rails even a little bit. The first time I did it, it was great and I had a lot of fun but every subsequent alt went to hyjal because the pace is much quicker and there are a couple spots where you alternate the routine if only a little.
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Merusk
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That's really a complaint about Cata as an expansion, IMO.
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Lakov_Sanite
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No doubt but Vash'jir was the worst example of it. The mechanics of the underwater zone were great but unfortunately you can't divorce it from the rest so the zone was still terrible.
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Simond
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No doubt but Vash'jir was the worst example of it. Counterpoint: Uldum. Fuck Uldum.
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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luckton
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"Those lights, combined with the polygamous Nazi mushrooms, will mess you up."
"Tuning me out doesn't magically change the design or implementation of said design. Though, that'd be neat if it did." -schild
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Simond
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Ahaha, noice. That'd certainly be one way to obfuscate matters.
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Miasma
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I loved the underwater zone in WoW, I think people hated it because the very first area you start in is just way too packed with mobs, you can't move without getting aggro. This combined with what was a harsh transition from one shotting wotlk mobs to suddenly having to be careful again was a bad first impression and tainted people's view of the whole thing.
The underwater mount also should have been something far cooler than "seahorse".
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Lakov_Sanite
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Seahorse for alliance, eel for horde.
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Fordel
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I'm a Druid, I don't need your shitty water mount!
The Underwater zone was way too long and repetitive. Half a dozen "oh no, the Naga found our hiding cave... AGAIN".
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Mithas
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I agree about the length. It dragged on. I think the mechanics were fine and I thought it looked pretty good. It had a cool feel; it gave the feeling that there was a lot more to Azeroth than what's on land. I found it interesting. I could be pulling this out of nowhere, but I swear I remember reading a dev quote saying they probably wouldn't do another underwater zone again.
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angry.bob
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Everyone should play a Fey Corgi at least once in their role playing career.
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Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
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pants
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Simond
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"The Dark Below" was registered in the last day or so in Eire by the copyright firm who does all Blizzard's European law work. So that's interesting.
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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K9
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Everyone should play a Fey Corgi at least once in their role playing career. You're an odd fruit
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El Gallo
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Any 3d zone sucks nuts. It's almost impossible to see both above and below your character. The game is designed to be played with the camera above and behind your character, which means you can't see above and z-axis movement is awkward as hell.
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This post makes me want to squeeze into my badass red jeans.
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Simond
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Counterpoint: Vash'jr was the best zone in Cataclysm by a country mile.
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Lakov_Sanite
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Counterpoint: Vash'jr was the best zone in Cataclysm by a country mile.
Counter-Counterpoint: No it wasn't.
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Simond
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Hyjal was painfully generic where it should have been grandious and epic, Deepholm was okay until you realised you were essentially repeating the same quests three times over (once for the Earthen Ring, one for the Eathen, and once for the Earthmother), Twilight Highlands was a disjointed rush-job where decent ideas were piled up next to kill ten rats in a slap-dash manner and Uldum? Uldum was decent for the first third of the zone and then threw away all the interesting bits to do a tedious fifth-rate pastiche of Indiana Jones where your character was forced into the role of "bumbling, cowardly side-kick" while an NPC figured out the problems.
So by a process of elimination Vash'jr was the best zone.
E: It helps that Vash'jr was gorgeous.
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« Last Edit: September 21, 2013, 08:53:19 AM by Simond »
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Rendakor
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I liked Twilight Highlands more than Vash'jr; it was a good build-up into Bastion of Twilight. Mount Hyjal was also more fun.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Vash COULD have been great if it would two-three zones instead of one. Such a slog...
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Mithas
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I don't get all the Vash'jr hate. I thought it was by far the best zone in Cataclysm. I didn't have any trouble with 3D movement or mobs. The only problem was the length. It was so different than anything else on the main continents that I thought it was great.
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craan
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I really liked playing as that Naga warrior lady. Maybe someday the next playable races will be Naga for Horde and Murlocs for Alliance.
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Ingmar
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I also liked Vash'jr. It basically *was* broken into 3 zones, so I'm not sure why people are making that particular criticism.
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Rokal
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I really liked playing as that Naga warrior lady. Maybe someday the next playable races will be Naga for Horde and Murlocs for Alliance.
I hated this section more than any other part of questing in Cata, even the shitty Harrison Jones stuff in Uldum. Underwater zone + vehicle quests = go fuck yourself.
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Sjofn
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I also liked Vash'jr. It basically *was* broken into 3 zones, so I'm not sure why people are making that particular criticism.
It felt like a long, long, long, long, long single zone, though. At least to me. You kept thinking you were done but wait no, time to kill a zillion more naga or elementals or whatever. It was the Belsavis of WoW for me. That was my issue with all the Cataclysm zones, though. They were all way too fucking long.
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God Save the Horn Players
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Simond
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Presented without comment: http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1363274-Solid-Spoiler-A-Spoiler-Source-About-Blizzcon-2013-WOW-X5-%28History-Game-%2911.8 update The key of patch 6.0 has two, one is G, another is D. 11.7 update ilvl compression for X5 is due to the Big Event and Canon in X5. 11.6 update We may have one D, but G perhaps not one, maybe 5? 11.5 update One of those Gs, MUST be Garad. 11.4 update One of those Gs, MAY be "Garona". 11.3 update One of the last known those Gs, MIGHT be "Garithos". 11.2 update The Red Names becomes Yellow, Green Names drop gears. The end of time is what its starts, Medivh shows to give you Dailies. 11.1 update DW returns, but which one? 10.31 update A classic Maincity becomes Raid Dungeon. "10.31" update Your known history, may not be "the original" one. '10.31' update Due to s/he is not exist in "the original" history. S/he killed him/her in that time, to do the right thing. 10.30 update When the theory is in mess, Anduin Wrynn regrets his choice, while Wrathion faces his glory. 10.29 update A Maincity-class Dungeon finally becomes a true Maincity. 10.28 update The Dragon Soul's power is not vanished yet. Instead, they cannot touch that power, the power someone have long coveted. 10.27 update Eternal Dragons? The Dragon Era has already ended. Our story is about mortals that extraordinary and/or unwilling to be ordinary. 10.26 update Illidan: None of my business! 10.25 update Old Gods: None of my business! 10.24 update Burning Legion: Why it's not as it says, my dear screenwriter? 10.23 update Someone: この手に入れた力で、その間違いは絶対やらせねぇ! 10.22 update Subject of this X is: Father and Son. 10.21 update Even there's no blood relationship, the fetters are more strongly than there have. 10.20 update Even there have blood relationship, the incompatible destined a bad romance. 10.19 update They, the young. What's their choice when they get a overwhelming power one day? 10.18 update Among those fetters and bad romances, the world is shattering into pieces by "the young" suddenly get power. 10.17 update Velen: Anybody here? 10.16 update Turalyon and Alleria returns. 10.15 update Hail To The King, Baby!!! 10.14 update The forth G, is Gul'dan. 10.13 update Someone: W Saurfang is in trouble? Oh, come on my little brother! 10.13 update Known the ONLY D is 14417226136556E86F1372212034 (Leak ---- this puzzle is calculated out and it is 1 44 1 72 2 61 3 65 5 6E 8 6F 13 72 21 20 34 D r a e n o r Space The useless number is just a Fibonacci Sequence. ) 10.12 update The HIDDEN REAL D is at 97C100E9852494810E19852549799A10057D1019753C5410054C984B94B8494948A49E4999579D798 10.8 update Everything has started. Let's wait and see. ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ↑ I don't know the upper five row means it's just shown in original post. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The puzzle on that forum is still updating. I will update more when I get more. A hint: Quotation Marks And hint: No directly leak and all guessing in the original topic (1k+ replies now) Source: bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=6592378 (Chinese WOW Forum) (Anyone here speak Cantonese? )
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Mithas
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The person that did the translating doesn't speak English either. I feel like I'm drunk reading that. I have no idea what it says.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Just wait for blizzcon and don't hurt your brain.
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Lantyssa
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It says the end times are near and plots involving Time Travel are always Awesome.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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Simond
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10.13 update
Known the ONLY D is 14417226136556E86F1372212034 (Leak ---- this puzzle is calculated out and it is 1 44 1 72 2 61 3 65 5 6E 8 6F 13 72 21 20 34 D r a e n o r Space The useless number is just a Fibonacci Sequence.
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« Last Edit: November 05, 2013, 02:43:04 AM by Simond »
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Hutch
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I saw the Warlords news in a couple of places yesterday. We'll see if it's real, or just trolling by Blizzard. I'm waiting for Blizzcon.
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Plant yourself like a tree Haven't you noticed? We've been sharing our culture with you all morning. The sun will shine on us again, brother
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Simond
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« Last Edit: November 06, 2013, 01:04:05 PM by Simond »
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"You're really a good person, aren't you? So, there's no path for you to take here. Go home. This isn't a place for someone like you."
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Ironwood
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Corgi. Goodness.
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"Mr Soft Owl has Seen Some Shit." - Sun Tzu
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Merusk
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Wife is at home and just e-mailed me. New xpac is called "Warlords of Draenor" new models, new world, cap at 100.
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The past cannot be changed. The future is yet within your power.
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Hutch
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MMO Champion has pictures, I assume they're caps from the live stream.
Since Draenor is Outland, I wonder how it's going to be a new world. Time Travel?
One of the other highlights reads "Build and Upgrade your Garrison". Player Housing? The equivalent of your Tillers farm in the new xpack?
Also, updated character models. They have a before and after pic up of a Dwarf and an Orc.
Edit: I forgot, another highlight says you can "Boost to 90 and play immediately." That's great news, if you didn't already level all of your toons to 90 o.O
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« Last Edit: November 08, 2013, 12:04:24 PM by Hutch »
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Plant yourself like a tree Haven't you noticed? We've been sharing our culture with you all morning. The sun will shine on us again, brother
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