Tron Legacy

[Sand]

You think that's air they're breathing?

Like making programs into humans, the world was likely designed to make it acceptable to a human brain's needs. Their brain *thinks* it needs oxygen and food (part of its programming!), so they create a representation of it to satisfy the brain.

Imagine if they were able to break the *core* programming of their brain and went back into the real world. Spending the rest of your life having to physically make yourself breathe and never knowing when you're hungry until you collapse because you have no energy.

Kevin could make food out of thin air, and had been doing it for (digital) millenia. Even though eating and breathing were just supplying their digital selves with energy from the computer, it needed some way for them to accept it without their brains breaking.

Uhm while a great attempt at trying to cram Matrix mythology into this movie, no just no. The very FIRST thing I would want to do while living in a digital world would be to stop eating, drinking and having to get rid of waste materials. This is like claiming that if I were playing WoW in an immersive virtual reality I would want to make my paladin go poop/pee after beating Onyxia.

And having read some of your last posts in this thread, you are REALLY over thinking this movie. So uhm Im not going to get into a nerd fight with you about it. I was just stating my personal opinion, which is I thought the scene (and many other things as pointed out by the Penny Arcade comic linked) broke immersion and made for a "meh" movie.

[Ratman_tf]

Saw it last night. Thought it was "meh". The Penny Arcade comic summed a lot of it up.
The food thing broke immersion for me, why would you even need food in a digital world?

[LK]

The very FIRST thing I would want to do while living in a digital world would be to stop eating, drinking and having to get rid of waste materials.

You can WANT it, and you can TRY to stop eating, drinking, and removing waste materials. In return, your body would respond by wrecking your shit, and your brain would keep screaming at you about what you need to function. Eating / Drinking / Breathing in the digital space was a visual translation of the act of their digital selves taking in the energy they need to function (through the perspective of how a human brain most readily accepts this process to occur).

Your WoW analogy misses the point by a mile.

I'd also think that they didn't need to go to the restroom in there because their bodies perfectly utilized all the energy it was taking in. Only thing the system has to expel is heat.
Like it or not, in order to do what you do, you need energy being taken in as you expend energy to exist. In life, it's food, water, air, and you create waste. In the digital space, you're just taking in energy, but how it's done remains consistent with the rendering of the rest of the world because *that's how the human brain processed the digital reality.*

And having read some of your last posts in this thread, you are REALLY over thinking this movie. So uhm Im not going to get into a nerd fight with you about it. I was just stating my personal opinion, which is I thought the scene (and many other things as pointed out by the Penny Arcade comic linked) broke immersion and made for a "meh" movie.

You must not be into literature. I bet you thought Gulliver's Travels was some story about a dude that kept going to all these strange places which made for a "meh" story.

I think your personal opinion shows you aren't really thinking about it (like most reviewers) and rather than subject your opinion to scrutiny and debate, which would risk your Ego's integrity, you're just going to go with your gut reaction and say "It stinks!" You can't be wrong with that mindset!

I am enjoying myself thinking about what the things they displayed mean and its fascinating levels of internal consistency (minus Magical Plot Device Laser), and how it highlights elements of philosophy, psychology, and physiology.

Tycho wanted to like the movie so much, but had a spasm of focusing on the neckbeard nitpicky crap that doesn't mean a goddamn thing.

I agree with what he has to say. Some questions I could provide theories for easily, some not. I wouldn't mind seeing the answers, but for the insignificant things I can't explain and what may have been put in there to look good or advance the plot rather than being internally consistent, I am willing to look past those to address the bigger, deeper issues in play. Yeah, it's a *movie,* for fuck's sake.

[Kitsune]

Did none of you people watch the first movie?  The programs were drinking liquid energy to stay charged.  To claim that the energy water metaphor extends to energy food isn't really a stretch.  It's just that: metaphor.  Nobody's eating actual food; they don't have hamburgers in transistors.

[LK]

Metaphor, that was the word I was looking for. Thanks.

[Oban]

Nobody's eating actual food; they don't have hamburgers in transistors.

Funny, when I first learned about transistors I was taught that they were like hamburgers.

[Abagadro]

Saw it today. Both myself and wife (who has never seen the first one) liked it a lot. It's actually a very subtle and emotionally driven movie under all the sparkle.  Jedi Dude was seriously kick ass.

[stu]

[SurfD]

[Quinton]

I enjoyed it.  Thought they did a fantastic job of translating the visuals of the original and it was a fun ride.

[Sheepherder]

You think that's air they're breathing?

Like making programs into humans, the world was likely designed to make it acceptable to a human brain's needs. Their brain *thinks* it needs oxygen and food (part of its programming!), so they create a representation of it to satisfy the brain.

Imagine if they were able to break the *core* programming of their brain and went back into the real world. Spending the rest of your life having to physically make yourself breathe and never knowing when you're hungry until you collapse because you have no energy.

Your brain does not, in fact, have an autonomic response to low oxygen.

Except shutting down in totality, but that doesn't count.

[Sand]

You think that's air they're breathing?

Like making programs into humans, the world was likely designed to make it acceptable to a human brain's needs. Their brain *thinks* it needs oxygen and food (part of its programming!), so they create a representation of it to satisfy the brain.

Imagine if they were able to break the *core* programming of their brain and went back into the real world. Spending the rest of your life having to physically make yourself breathe and never knowing when you're hungry until you collapse because you have no energy.

Your brain does not, in fact, have an autonomic response to low oxygen.

Except shutting down in totality, but that doesn't count.

Dont argue, obviously you just dont understand how deep this movie is.

[Khaldun]

I have no idea why this is getting the critical hate that it's gotten: I really enjoyed it, way beyond popcorn-movie tolerate it for a few fleeting moments of spectacle enjoyed.

[Ruvaldt]

I really dug this film, and echo the sentiment that the critics seem to be getting it wrong.  Even my fiancee loved it, and she rarely enjoys movies like this.  The sound design and score were spectacular.  The only thing that really disappointed me was how Sam entered the grid; for a transition it seemed a little rough.

[LK]

I'd be interested in hearing your idea on what a good transition for Sam would be in the digital space.

[Ghambit]

[Ruvaldt]

[stu]

[Ghambit]

[Riggswolfe]

This movie was damn good. It did have alot of depth under the surface but a surprising amount of people only saw the surface stuff....

[Ruvaldt]

[LK]

Why would you spoiler that? 

[Ruvaldt]

Because it wouldn't have meant anything to those who weren't reading the spoilers anyway, just like Ghambit's comment above.

[LK]

Eh. I'm just looking forward to when we can stop Spoilering. ><

[Ruvaldt]

Are spoiler tags really that much of an inconvenience?

[Sheepherder]

Your brain does not, in fact, have an autonomic response to low oxygen.

Except shutting down in totality, but that doesn't count.

Dont argue, obviously you just dont understand how deep this movie is.

I'm actually amusing myself with the thought of all four people who researched it, and said to themselves "OH SHIT, REALLY?"

[Nerf]

Are spoiler tags really that much of an inconvenience?

[Sand]

Are spoiler tags really that much of an inconvenience?

[Slayerik]

I just wanted to pop in and thank you guys for spoilering. 

[01101010]

Fix'd. 

[stu]

[shiznitz]

I saw this on Sunday at an IMAX at the critics can go fuck themselves. I thought it was very well done.  My only gripe is the CGI face of CLU, but it was hardly immersion breaking.  The aerial battle with the light trails was fantastic. The music was great.  I liked Sam Flynn.  They made no effort to explain why Tron all of a sudden decided to fight CLU but it was telegraphed to hell and back so I didn't really care.

Am I crazy or did Father Flynn throw a little Lebowski in there every now and then?

[LK]

I wonder if I missed stuff that I missed with Star Wars and Star Trek that Red Letter Media highlighted.

[Rishathra]

Am I crazy or did Father Flynn throw a little Lebowski in there every now and then?

Nah, he was very much the hacker hippie type in the first Tron too.

[Tannhauser]

Just got home from seeing it in 3D.  Really liked it, some really spectacular scenes and a more thoughtful movie than I expected.
I really hope the director's cut expands on life in the Grid.