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Topic: Patch 4.2: Firelands Now Live! (Read 31121 times)
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Sjofn
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Thrall's in mortal peril ...
Thall is fine, actually. EDIT: And yes, Mylune's quests are best quests. I'm SAD when I don't get to punt turtles or hurl bear cubs.
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« Last Edit: July 13, 2011, 02:32:11 PM by Sjofn »
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God Save the Horn Players
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apocrypha
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Thrall's in mortal peril ...
Thall is fine, actually. Honestly? I found myself caring so little I have no idea what's actually going on. At one point Thrall & Aggra (who?) were blah-blahing and I just got bored and flew off. I think they were getting married or something.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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SurfD
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Thrall's in mortal peril ...
Thall is fine, actually. EDIT: And yes, Mylune's quests are best quests. I'm SAD when I don't get to punt turtles or hurl bear cubs. Mylune SOOOOO needs her own voice actor.
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Sjofn
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Thrall's in mortal peril ...
Thall is fine, actually. Honestly? I found myself caring so little I have no idea what's actually going on. At one point Thrall & Aggra (who?) were blah-blahing and I just got bored and flew off. I think they were getting married or something. Basically Thrall got split into elements (to drive him crazy, I think) but you and his honeybunch fixed everything so Thrall can go about marrying her and being Green Jesus. The entire reason he was even fucking there in the first place had been utterly forgotten by the final quest in the series, of course. Who gives a shit about fixing some stupid elf tree? Thrall is in LOVE. So really, the Druids of the Flame won that round. They showed up to stop Green Jesus from fixing the tree, and lo! Everyone forgot all about fixing the tree.
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Fordel
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Thrall's in mortal peril ...
Thall is fine, actually. EDIT: And yes, Mylune's quests are best quests. I'm SAD when I don't get to punt turtles or hurl bear cubs. Mylune SOOOOO needs her own voice actor. She just sounds like a War3 Dryad in my head.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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apocrypha
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Basically Thrall got split into elements (to drive him crazy, I think) but you and his honeybunch fixed everything so Thrall can go about marrying her and being Green Jesus. The entire reason he was even fucking there in the first place had been utterly forgotten by the final quest in the series, of course. Who gives a shit about fixing some stupid elf tree? Thrall is in LOVE.
So really, the Druids of the Flame won that round. They showed up to stop Green Jesus from fixing the tree, and lo! Everyone forgot all about fixing the tree.
OK. Still not caring. Still not picking flowers, kicking turtles and herding owls for them.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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Sjofn
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They have nothing to do with the real Firelands stuff, of course.
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Rendakor
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Thrall's in mortal peril ...
Thall is fine, actually. EDIT: And yes, Mylune's quests are best quests. I'm SAD when I don't get to punt turtles or hurl bear cubs. Mylune SOOOOO needs her own voice actor. She just sounds like a War3 Dryad in my head. I'll lure the enemy with my human call: "I'm so wasted, I'm so wasted!"
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Lantyssa
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The Dryad was my favorite WC3 unit.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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Setanta
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Same although the original soundbyte for the alliance flier "This is my Warhammer... and it didn't cost me 40K" is my favorite quote. Apparently GW sued Blizzard for that one
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"No man is an island. But if you strap a bunch of dead guys together it makes a damn fine raft."
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Sjofn
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One of the reasons I like Mylune is because her keeper dude friend is the one who initially has the bear cub chucking idea, so apparently the dudes are also silly. That makes me feel better for some reason.
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apocrypha
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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Paelos
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I don't really get how world first kills are achivements anymore when you're sponsored and Blizzard is hotfixing things as you play.
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Sheepherder
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I think we've discovered why Blizzard can't satisfy the hardcore crowd for long, however.
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Merusk
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Discovered? Those with any experience have known that since before that EQ Guild gathered-together 250+ people to kill the Dev-declared "Unkillable" Paladin qeust-giver in Plane of Sky. It just seems that each dev team has to learn that lesson over and over again. It's like armies trying to invade Russia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ih4LxXu78dk
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Malakili
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I don't really get how world first kills are achivements anymore when you're sponsored and Blizzard is hotfixing things as you play.
Blizzard has been doing that for a long time.
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caladein
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Discovered? Those with any experience have known that since before that EQ Guild gathered-together 250+ people to kill the Dev-declared "Unkillable" Paladin qeust-giver in Plane of Sky. It just seems that each dev team has to learn that lesson over and over again.
You don't even have to go back to EQ. The last "really hard" boss without an attempt limit was M'uru and most people were talking about that taking several hundred attempts. Heroic LK was in that same conversation, but limited attempts kept him up for a longer period of time but with fewer (maybe half as many) total attempts.
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Amaron
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We wiped 500+ times on the boss
I'll give the mad props for effort. I can't help but be glad these types of people probably won't even touch SWTOR though.
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caladein
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Sure they will, it's a well-funded MMORPG with lightsabers.
Whether it turns out to be a well-made large-group-PvE game remains to be seen even as an intent of the developers, much less a reality, but that's not going to stop people (including high-end WoW/Rift raiders) from picking it up.
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"Point being, they can't make everyone happy, so I hope they pick me." - Ingmar"OH MY GOD WE'RE SURROUNDED SEND FOR BACKUP DIG IN DEFENSIVE POSITIONS MAN YOUR NECKBEARDS" - tgr
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K9
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Making a bunch of assumptions, that's roughly a week of 12-16 hour days where you do nothing else but attempt the boss. Even for a hardcore guild that seems like a lok.
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Paelos
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I think the 500+ number is complete horseshit.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Not necessarily, when you consider how quick some of the encounters probably were. I'm willing to bet that as soon as a single person died they wiped and went back.
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Amaron
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Yes wiping quickly and returning to rebuff in a timely fashion is an important pro skill.
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Evildrider
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Too bad they didn't have any shamans so they could reincarnate and mass rez to go faster!
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Lakov_Sanite
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Yes wiping quickly and returning to rebuff in a timely fashion is an important pro skill. Sadly, organization and timing is probably one of the main differences between hardcore raiders and non.
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Merusk
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K9
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Not necessarily, when you consider how quick some of the encounters probably were. I'm willing to bet that as soon as a single person died they wiped and went back.
Well my first assumption was an average time between wipes of 10mins. Including getting everyone back in and buffed, that doesn't leave a lot of time for actual fighting, even if you have a slew of novelty phase-1 wipes (which seem improbable since they have had plenty of practise on normal mode). Given a bunch of low-% wipes, you're looking at maybe 3-5 attempts per hour, not allowing for bathroom and food breaks, and so forth. So basically I agree with Paelos, the 500+ number is utter arse. Maybe 50-100.
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Phunked
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Not necessarily, when you consider how quick some of the encounters probably were. I'm willing to bet that as soon as a single person died they wiped and went back.
Well my first assumption was an average time between wipes of 10mins. Including getting everyone back in and buffed, that doesn't leave a lot of time for actual fighting, even if you have a slew of novelty phase-1 wipes (which seem improbable since they have had plenty of practise on normal mode). Given a bunch of low-% wipes, you're looking at maybe 3-5 attempts per hour, not allowing for bathroom and food breaks, and so forth. So basically I agree with Paelos, the 500+ number is utter arse. Maybe 50-100. Not really. For example, most H-Baleroc parses indicated between 50-100 pulls before a kill. Even with the fact that H-Baleroc is substantially shorter (as an encounter), it's not unreasonable that they would have spent at least that many on Rag, if not much more. Most top guilds use the /camp trick to reset the mass res debuff, allowing much faster turn around on wipe recovery. Similarly, many of their pulls would have been under 10 minutes, as the transition phases on heroic are much harder (and partly the reason that they stacked druids). Also, raiding for 12 hours a night during progression isn't out of the question either, as you know, eglory >all.
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Paelos
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The quote was: We wiped 500+ times on the boss, although I lost count at some point. He admits in his own post he is guessing. It's hyperbole. We're awesome, we worked so hard, we wiped like 800 times on this shit man. We're total dick-smacking ballers.
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Fordel
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Who gives a fuck.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Azazel
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I care!
oh, wait, hang on....
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Rokal
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Cared enough to bump a thread that moved off the topic days ago anyway :p
On topic: Alysrazor is really fun. If all the fights in Firelands were that creative, it would have been the best raid ever. There are no real stinkers at least , but unless Ragnaros 2.0 is amazing, Alysrazor takes the cake.
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Nevermore
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I hear he stomps you with his new feet.
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Over and out.
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Lantyssa
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So he he gives you a hot foot?
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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caladein
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On topic: Alysrazor is really fun. If all the fights in Firelands were that creative, it would have been the best raid ever. There are no real stinkers at least , but unless Ragnaros 2.0 is amazing, Alysrazor takes the cake.
(Normal) Rag is an end-boss, and enjoyable for one, but he still has like twenty phases and adds and shit. Not a fan really. My favorite normal-mode is probably Majordomo. None of his mechanics are terribly complex, instead they just require crisp execution. It's not perfect though, he is sort of poster child for the "Raid-wide CDs are dumb." set, but I don't think that takes away too much in our 10m at least. Alysrazor's cool, but I'm stuck on the ground interrupting so it's just "Interrupt Harder!" and "Fire bad!"
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"Point being, they can't make everyone happy, so I hope they pick me." - Ingmar"OH MY GOD WE'RE SURROUNDED SEND FOR BACKUP DIG IN DEFENSIVE POSITIONS MAN YOUR NECKBEARDS" - tgr
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