Crowfall aka Play2Crush aka Shadowbane II aka Nostalgia Online

[Paelos]

Well they understand that much about their pvp game at least.

[Triforcer]

Yeah, in terms of saying the right things, they haven't set a foot wrong yet.  I was hoping for more 2000-era drama (devs saying that liking PVE is a mental illness, etc.) but they are all on message. 

[Paelos]

Well if the guys that are running this are half as introspective as Raph has been with his blog posts, they've internalized a lot of the past problems with these games and can at least make the PR side work.

Whether or not the game works is a different story.

[Draegan]

Yeah, in terms of saying the right things, they haven't set a foot wrong yet.  I was hoping for more 2000-era drama (devs saying that liking PVE is a mental illness, etc.) but they are all on message.  

They haven't gone that far heh. But they have been very very strong in their message that this game is not a pve game. There won't be "tunnels designed to herd people towards big mobs for a reward". I think that goes a long way to ward off PVE players from the game int he first place.

 In any case, they have said all the right things, and I think they have the right people. I'm curious to see what Unity 5 + DX12 can do.

[Tmon]

If they deliver on this stuff and manage to have a certain amount of casual friendliness, I might end up ponying up the cost of a box/download. 

[LC]

Don't forget to buy stuff years in advance via the new store on their website. They have conveniently prefixed many of the items with "2015" so you will know to buy the superior "2016" versions when they are added next year.

http://crowfall.com/#/store

[Tmon]

I think I'll be able to resist the pre-order urge for this game.  I'm not betting on it failing, but that I'll get more bang for my gaming budget by spending it on other games that I'm actively playing.

[Draegan]

Don't forget to buy stuff years in advance via the new store on their website. They have conveniently prefixed many of the items with "2015" so you will know to buy the superior "2016" versions when they are added next year.

http://crowfall.com/#/store

I didn't see any items that were prefixed with 2015. The only things they have in their store are individual items from their kickstarter bundles.

[Merusk]

I see nothing at all.. because I have to login to see the store. Nah, don't want an account on their system.

[LC]

2015 Quarterhorse
$15*

2015 Nightmare
$30*

2015 Warhorse
$20*

Small Fort 2015

Small Castle 2015

Medium Fort 2015

Medium Castle 2015

And the list goes on. I guess those are suffixes on the buildings.

[Paelos]

If they end up making shirts I'll probably buy one 

Real shirts, not digital ones.

[tazelbain]

They need to start selling lube.

[Draegan]

I will don't get your paranoia about having dates.

[Threash]

If you don't buy know you won't get those extra cool "2015" castle guys.

[Typhon]

What language are you two speaking?

[Malakili]

It's a dialect of Star Citizen.

[ezrast]

Can I get a well-taken-care of 2013 warhorse instead? The 2015 one is just going to lose value the minute I ride it off the lot.

[Hutch]

It's a dialect of Star Citizen.

 

[tmp]

They need to start selling lube.

That's for filthy casuals, it has clearly no place in this game.

[Falconeer]

This is the kind of Chris Roberts crap that I'd prefer not to read, especially in a MMORPG that has a 2M budget.

http://crowfall.com/#/news/combat-no-phake-physics

Each character has a variety of physics settings, such as mass and drag, which we set on an archetype-by-archetype basis for what we think would make the most sense. We use values that are comparable to what we think a human or a centaur would use, bearing in mind that our human is 2 m tall, runs at 6 m a second (12.2 mph), and can jump 1.5 m in the air in full plate armor. Quite the beast!

The chain pull, when executed, fires an invisible Raycast towards the center of his HUD reticule. Currently that Raycast is set to penetrate so even after it touches one target, the Raycast continues to the max range of the power, acquiring even more targets. (Don’t travel in straight lines to hide your numbers or you might ALL get hit by a single pull!) The Raycast applies an inverse velocity to anything it touches in the direction of the knight, be it a world object like a barrel or another player. Based on the mass of the target, and the strength of the velocity, the physics engine determines how fast the targets get launched across the ground towards the knight. (We found early on we needed to also temporarily increase the mass of the knight during this power so he doesn’t get knocked around when all these objects slam into him!) 

The implications are pretty far-reaching: you can use objects to move other objects; you can move players (and objects) into and out of AoE ranges.  Layer this system on top of a destructible environment and things get really interesting!

[ezrast]

Both players’ clients witness a fancy animation of one character flying through the air to the other, but it isn’t real. It’s fake. The end result is that one player can pull another player of any size (the server doesn’t care if it’s a teeny tiny character or a giant) to their feet as long as they can see them. This is not real physics.

Guys

That fun you're having

It's all fake

[Draegan]

What's wrong with that post? It's more like what the new unity engine allows people to do easily. Who knows if it's good though.

[Speedy Cerviche]

This is the kind of Chris Roberts crap that I'd prefer not to read, especially in a MMORPG that has a 2M budget.

http://crowfall.com/#/news/combat-no-phake-physics

Each character has a variety of physics settings, such as mass and drag, which we set on an archetype-by-archetype basis for what we think would make the most sense. We use values that are comparable to what we think a human or a centaur would use, bearing in mind that our human is 2 m tall, runs at 6 m a second (12.2 mph), and can jump 1.5 m in the air in full plate armor. Quite the beast!

The chain pull, when executed, fires an invisible Raycast towards the center of his HUD reticule. Currently that Raycast is set to penetrate so even after it touches one target, the Raycast continues to the max range of the power, acquiring even more targets. (Don’t travel in straight lines to hide your numbers or you might ALL get hit by a single pull!) The Raycast applies an inverse velocity to anything it touches in the direction of the knight, be it a world object like a barrel or another player. Based on the mass of the target, and the strength of the velocity, the physics engine determines how fast the targets get launched across the ground towards the knight. (We found early on we needed to also temporarily increase the mass of the knight during this power so he doesn’t get knocked around when all these objects slam into him!)  

The implications are pretty far-reaching: you can use objects to move other objects; you can move players (and objects) into and out of AoE ranges.  Layer this system on top of a destructible environment and things get really interesting!

Doesn't seem to be too much of a stretch...Darkfall pulled this off quite well. That game had other issues like too much grind, lack of content and RPG elements (that a better dev could rectify), but the physics and combat engine was/is fantastic. You could pull off outrageously cool stuff with telekinetic magic.

[schild]

This company's hires leave much to be desired.

[Threash]

Behold! actual game footage of non existent game.

[Nija]

Who knows if it's good though.

I do. I know it is not good.

You heard it here first.

[WayAbvPar]

Behold! actual game footage of non existent game.

That looks promising. Obviously a lot more to get done.

[Triforcer]

Can someone explain to me how ranged classes will hit anyone in pvp with that kind of system?  Melee and AOE might work, but non hitscan ranged projectiles just don't work in mmos.

[Merusk]

Luck and firing into masses.   That chick is toast against a moving player because they missed so many times against stationary targets. 

The same kind of  LOS targeting works for FPS games because there's no windup on the single projectile skills and they fire much faster.

[Zetor]

It will be delightful to play with 300+ ping!

[LC]

Those graphics... so good. The characters look like they are made of plastic. I love the new paid before it's made model. Think of all the money game developers/publishers are saving now that they don't have to pay off reviewers for favorable reviews, or prevent reviews from being released ahead of the games release. Now they can collect all of that money in advance without even having a finished product to review.

[Threash]

Can someone explain to me how ranged classes will hit anyone in pvp with that kind of system?  Melee and AOE might work, but non hitscan ranged projectiles just don't work in mmos.

You are shooting at an army, not at a specific player.

[Draegan]

They've state that they are trying non assisted aiming first and if it aucks they'll work on other solutions.

[Draegan]

Those graphics... so good. The characters look like they are made of plastic. I love the new paid before it's made model. Think of all the money game developers/publishers are saving now that they don't have to pay off reviewers for favorable reviews, or prevent reviews from being released ahead of the games release. Now they can collect all of that money in advance without even having a finished product to review.

I thought the models looked pretty good for what they have. Not plastic at all.

[Malakili]

Honestly, I'm just not even going to bother analyzing pre-alpha footage that may or may not look and feel anything like the final game.