BoB kills Titan.

[Fordel]

Why all the stupid Amarr Avatars?

It's Gang bonus is the most universal, some bonus to cap regen rate.

[Raging Turtle]

From the official thread:

Originally by: Commander AllstarBu
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can someone do me a favor and figure this out

Im interested to see how much a loss of a titan and fittings cost in u.s. dollars

easy to figure out, just find the total isk of the lost ship and mods and then use the timecard isk prices compared to how much ccp charges to play to find the isk = u.s. dollar ratio.

id bet a lot of ppl jaws will drop once that number is posted. i dont have access to the game atm to login and find out :(
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350m= 40 buxs (based off of GTCs)
Lets say the ship wit fittings was 70b (I know it cost more to build because of the bpos you had to buy, I figure it would cost 55b worth of mins, and 15b for the ship arrays, pos, and weapons, and skills).

70000/350=200
200*40= 8000

Now this in no way reflects the work, time and all the bpos you need to buy.

Titan BPO is just 63b
63000/350=180
180*40= 7200

Just for the ship build cost and titan bpo, its about 15200 dollars worth of GTCs. Or 31 years 8 months of subscriptions to ccp.

[Strazos]

Oooo....someone is in trouble.

[Der Helm]

Wouldn't matter if the pilot DC'ed and the ship got warped to a random spot in the system.

Is "warp to gang-member" out since the last update ?

[Polysorbate80]

Still need need to shell out the ~750 million ISK for cap ship III and Caldari Carrier I to play around in a Chimera myself (can't afford a Wyvern).  Not the best carrier out there, but I already have Caldari BS V.

That, and I have to find a good time to risk the freighter hauling cap ship parts out to low-sec. :P

[Simond]

BoB claims that the Avatar was supposedly parked in a known ASCN safespot, instead of your typical 'Warp in random direction and wait for x minutes' disconnect.

To me, that implies carelessness with the aggression timers rather than a crash. If it's true, of course. ;)

[NiX]

I recall seeing someone from ASCN saying that it was him in a safespot switching chars or computers. A couple of choice quotes from ASCN members can be pulled from that thread too.

[Krakrok]

At least when you CTDed in EQ your character would fight back.

[Trippy]

At least when you CTDed in EQ your character would fight back.

That's the beauty of auto-attack :-D

[Morat20]

I've kinda had the goal of flying a Gallente Carrier sitting around in the back of my mind. On the one hand -- I don't really have a need for it. On the other hand, it appears to be the ultimate expression of my belief that "Drones = Awesome".

[Krakrok]

I re-upped yesterday to train to Carrier. Polysorbate80 just torpedoed the idea by mentioning it costs 750 million for the two carrier skills.

[MahrinSkel]

You also can't jump them into systems with a security rating higher than 0.4, or take them into dead-space.  They're 0.0 territorial warfare toys.  An interceptor with 5 of them (EDIT: fighters) assigned to it has the throw weight of a couple of battleships.

--Dave

[Morat20]

You also can't jump them into systems with a security rating higher than 0.4, or take them into dead-space.  They're 0.0 territorial warfare toys.  An interceptor with 5 of them assigned to it has the throw weight of a couple of battleships.

--Dave

You're killing my dreams, man. :)

More seriously -- sooner or later I have to leave the happy place of Empire space for 0.0. So far the only PvP I've been in was when a pair of idiots tried to jump me when I was in a .4 belt. I didn't get a chance to see who would have won (their T1 frigs versus my T1 cruiser) because they fled as soon as I dropped my drones. I guess they thought I was there to mine or something.

[Polysorbate80]

I know it's completely impractical for a one-man corporation to play around with a carrier, but I'm still getting one for the fun of it :)

[Raging Turtle]

EVEtv mouthpiece Spiraljunkie reports that Cyvok is resigning, with a screenshot from ASCN's private forums.

When even BoB says you crossed the line in the forums... wow.  Looks like he posted with the wrong character and tried to delete it. 

Does explain his favortism towards BoB and animosity towards ASCN during the Alliance tourney.

[Wolf]

I asked about this, apparently 2 years ago Amarr ships were Ubar, and there was little else to train for (almost no T2 ships, few T2 modules) so a lot of the oldest characters wound up with Amarr BS 5.  Since BS5 is the largest chunk of what you have to train for capital ships, those characters went on to fly Amarr dreads and carriers (even thought the best ones are Minmatar and Gallente, respectively), and now Amarr titans.

About the Dreads and Carriers - I beg to differ, both merc corps I've been in (Rage of Angles before and KIA now) have had almost exclusively Thantoses (gallente carriers) and a healthy mix of dreads, with Moros (gallente again) being the most common. While what you're saying is most likely true, I don't think that's the reason to choosing the mushroom as the preferred titan. I think it mostly has to do with the set bonus it gives to fleets (namely - 7.5% bonus to gang members’ capacitor recharge rate per level). Anyone can use some better cap recharge, while not everyone armor tanks (+7.5% Armor - Gallente Titan), shield tanks (+7.5% Shield - Caldari Titans) or flies an interceptor (-7.5% Sig Radius - LOL MINMATAR).

As for CYVOK - his PC crashed. Plain and simple. Tough luck. But does he really believe bob put a trojan on his PC and rebooted it? I mean w-t-f? Than he goes all emo on his blog and blames CCP for not reimbursing him? Over the past few weeks I've lost any respect I previously had for CYVOK, too bad he drags down his' alliance's accomplishments along with him.

btw - what's the corp of spiral's main? Is he in maelstorm like everyone thought?

[Soln]

what's the insurance on a Titan?  Does the game allow you to buy insurance on such a thing?

[Wolf]

you can't dock in a titan, hence you can't insure it. You only get basic payout... maybe. Only CYVOK knows :)

[Soln]

there must be some compensation.  Not like CCP to design out such a punitive thing.  Build the ultimate and lose everything from that effort?  Doubtful.

[Yegolev]

I'm sure you get a newbie frigate when you dock, so it's not a total loss.

[Megrim]

loler

[NiX]

Word is that the payout is 40%

[Krakrok]

there must be some compensation.  Not like CCP to design out such a punitive thing.  Build the ultimate and lose everything from that effort?  Doubtful.

I'm sure that's what the Emperor said when they got the Death Star.

[dwindlehop]

I would expect 40% of the itemdatabase value because every ship automatically gets that (since Cold War? Exodus? I really don't know).

[MahrinSkel]

About the Dreads and Carriers - I beg to differ, both merc corps I've been in (Rage of Angles before and KIA now) have had almost exclusively Thantoses (gallente carriers) and a healthy mix of dreads, with Moros (gallente again) being the most common. While what you're saying is most likely true, I don't think that's the reason to choosing the mushroom as the preferred titan. I think it mostly has to do with the set bonus it gives to fleets (namely - 7.5% bonus to gang members’ capacitor recharge rate per level). Anyone can use some better cap recharge, while not everyone armor tanks (+7.5% Armor - Gallente Titan), shield tanks (+7.5% Shield - Caldari Titans) or flies an interceptor (-7.5% Sig Radius - LOL MINMATAR).

As for CYVOK - his PC crashed. Plain and simple. Tough luck. But does he really believe bob put a trojan on his PC and rebooted it? I mean w-t-f? Than he goes all emo on his blog and blames CCP for not reimbursing him? Over the past few weeks I've lost any respect I previously had for CYVOK, too bad he drags down his' alliance's accomplishments along with him.

Thanatos and Nyx (Gallente) are definitely the best carriers, nobody argues about that, the fighter damage bonus is Teh Ubar for a ship class that depends on its fighters.  And the best dread is arguable, depends on "best for what?", with the incredibly powerful alpha-strike of the Minmatar Naglfar tipping the balance post-Revelations, IMO (now that they can actually be used in fleet battles, being able to insta-pop a BS makes you the ultimate sniper).

But that sig-radius bonus is *far* under-rated.  The only obvious effect of the signature radius of a ship is how fast an enemy can get a target lock on you, but it is all *through* the combat calculations.  It determines how often you get hit, how hard you get hit, ties in with transversal for whether you get hit at all (this is why ships with MWD's on get killed so fast if they don't completely outrun the tracking).  30% sig reduction means that in any calculation where your sig radius is not hugely larger than that of the guns you're taking fire from (battleships taking fire from frigate-grade guns) you're going to take about half as much damage overall.  That blows the tanking bonuses out of the water.

Cap boosting bonus is important only to ships that are significantly cap-limited, and to fully exploit it you have to fit your ship based on it, otherwise it just saves you cap charges.  Tanking bonuses only to the ships that are fit to tank that way, but Sig Radius boosts everybody.

--Dave

[TripleDES]

There must have been some sort of client issue. Titans can take quite a bit of damage, have a huge tank and usually come with one or two Doomsday devices, which could have taken care about a lot of ships, and if only about the near-by tacklers to get the fuck out.

[Morat20]

There must have been some sort of client issue. Titans can take quite a bit of damage, have a huge tank and usually come with one or two Doomsday devices, which could have taken care about a lot of ships, and if only about the near-by tacklers to get the fuck out.

Yeah, that goes without saying. The only question was "Did he CTD and was unable to log back in" or "Did he log out?". Both are technically client issues.

[WindupAtheist]

It was an inside job, you know it was. Now the real question is...shouldn't it have had a serious escort?

I don't know anything about EVE, but letting major capital ships blunder around unescorted does seem like sort of a boneheaded policy...  Especially one worth fifteen god damned thousand dollars, or whatever.

[Kitsune]

You'd think that a guild organized enough to build the thing would've been organized enough to have a fleet following it around to make sure nobody destroyed it.

[Krakrok]

The guy flying it was the CEO of the 4000 member alliance.

[TripleDES]

Yeah, that goes without saying. The only question was "Did he CTD and was unable to log back in" or "Did he log out?". Both are technically client issues.

Why would it impossible to tell whether someone CTD'd or logged out? Latter should record a proper signoff in the database (CCP logs playtime).

[Jamiko]

This thread could now be called "BoB kills ASCN" because it is pretty much carved in stone at this point. CYVOK quit after the Titan was destroyed and now corporations are bailing left and right. Many of them had BoB spies and/or "cooperatives" in the leaving corps and they stole goods and offlined POSs left and right on their way out. I do not see a light at the end of the tunnel for ASCN. Who is next for BoB to destroy?

[Raging Turtle]

D2, if you read the official boards. 

[MahrinSkel]

The looks of the current strategic situation is that what we have fondly referred to as the "Great Southern Clusterfuck" (IAC vs. whoever they managed to piss off this week, plus MC and FIX) is becoming the trigger for the Great Southern War (RAGOON + AAA in support of IAC vs. everyone else in the south), and that in turn may suck in D2, RAZOR, and their allies and become the First Galactic War.  It's all very 1914.

--Dave

[ajax34i]

Ooh, a galactic war!  Sounds like fun!