Rift: Planes of Telara

[AcidCat]

Why not?  I'll bet you my paycheck that the game would be significantly less fun to you if you were slogging through content with a pug as opposed to a regular set of friends.  If you're going to discuss the quality of the game, you really need to consider how it plays in a random pug.  That's how most people will experience it. 

Personally I enjoy these games best just solo, so I don't need a group of friends or even a pug to have fun, though I do enjoy the occasional dungeon pug. That's what's nice about the rifts and invasions, I can play with others basically by myself, dropping in and out of public groups as I see fit - zero commitment, I love it.

Anyway I'm a slow leveler, my highest is only 21, and I'm also playing alts of the three other classes. For a player such as myself the game should deliver many more months of leisurely questing, exploring and collecting. It should hold my interest until Guild Wars 2 at the very least.

[Lantyssa]

When I called the game niche, I meant that I think it will have 400-500k subscribers 6 months from now.  I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation.

This would make it the number two subscription game.  I'm not sure anything besides EQ and WoW have done better at the 6+ month mark.  That's not niche.

The rest of your two's debate I'll avoid touching.

[Threash]

There might be an overabundance of cc but there is also an overabundance of cc breakers and cc duration reduction talents.  You should never have to sit as a squirrel for 30 seconds unless all you did is pick all the talents that made for the pretty numbers.

Ohh really? Tell me which exactly talent is a cc breaker in ANY of the rogues soul? The infiltrator tree aside (which is 5 (FIVE) minute CD)

Shadowstalk, flashback, on the double, twilight transcendence, untangle, flash of steel, slip away, escape artist.  Infiltrator tree aside.  I found cc breakers on every single rogue soul except bard.

[Dark_MadMax]

Shadowstalk, flashback, on the double, twilight transcendence, untangle, flash of steel, slip away, escape artist.  Infiltrator tree aside.  I found cc breakers on every single rogue soul except bard.

Nice  and which of them break squirrels?

[Threash]

I already did your homework for you once, you figure it out from now on captain.

[Ingmar]

When I called the game niche, I meant that I think it will have 400-500k subscribers 6 months from now.  I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation.

This would make it the number two subscription game.  I'm not sure anything besides EQ and WoW have done better at the 6+ month mark.  That's not niche.

The rest of your two's debate I'll avoid touching.

Pretty sure Lineage (the first one) was way over that as well. Isn't Aion also in that territory?

[Dark_MadMax]

I already did your homework for you once, you figure it out from now on captain.

If you didn't catch the sarcasm . I ll lay it out for you-  you know nothing about cc breakers in game and all your claims are based on false assumptions and deliberate misinformation. go away troll.  

[Chimpy]

This would make it the number two subscription game.  I'm not sure anything besides EQ and WoW have done better at the 6+ month mark.  That's not niche.

The rest of your two's debate I'll avoid touching.

Pretty sure Lineage (the first one) was way over that as well. Isn't Aion also in that territory?

I think everyone is ignoring (and, arguably, rightfully so as the markets are so different) the Korean sub numbers. 

Aion is a game that most people in these kind of forums (and developers) seem to dismiss even though it sold twice as many boxes in the west as Warhammer and had some mechanics and game technologies in it that were very well done and made the gaming experience more enjoyable.

[Pennilenko]

I already did your homework for you once, you figure it out from now on captain.

If you didn't catch the sarcasm . I ll lay it out for you-  you know nothing about cc breakers in game and all your claims are based on false assumptions and deliberate misinformation. go away troll.  

Seriously, each of the skills he listed is a cc breaker. Go back to lurking while you poopsock your mmo's.

[Ingmar]

This would make it the number two subscription game.  I'm not sure anything besides EQ and WoW have done better at the 6+ month mark.  That's not niche.

The rest of your two's debate I'll avoid touching.

Pretty sure Lineage (the first one) was way over that as well. Isn't Aion also in that territory?

I think everyone is ignoring (and, arguably, rightfully so as the markets are so different) the Korean sub numbers.  

Aion is a game that most people in these kind of forums (and developers) seem to dismiss even though it sold twice as many boxes in the west as Warhammer and had some mechanics and game technologies in it that were very well done and made the gaming experience more enjoyable.

I was ignoring the Korean sub numbers too, I thought Lineage had hit 500kish over here. It was something more ridiculous like 3 or 4 million with Korea counted.

I probably shouldn't have said 'way over' though.

[Chimpy]

It may have, I never played an NCSoft game until Aion and was amazed at the number of people I played with who had never played a non-Korean MMO other than maybe picking up WoW for a week and saying "I'll pass."

[Dark_MadMax]

Seriously, each of the skills he listed is a cc breaker. Go back to lurking while you poopsock your mmo's.

Troll some more.  none of them breaks squirells

[Hoax]

I told you guys the pvp was fucking garbage back in beta. If you bought this pile expecting to enjoy the pvp you are an idiot.

[Lantyssa]

Troll some more.  none of them breaks squirells

He's not trolling.  Go back to the Vault boards.

[Draegan]

Quality poster that guy is.

[Ashamanchill]

So, right now I'm being corpse camped by the game itself. There was a massive life invasion in Silverwood, which just followed a massive fire invasion that was repelled. The second time people got bored and didn't really do anything about the rifts, and they took over the zone. I got killed in a town trying to fight them off in a way that, as soon as I rez, they jump me and kill me instantly.

[Falconeer]

This game is not WoW.  No game is, or likely to ever be another WoW. Comparisons of any kind to WoW would be silly.   

When I called the game niche, I meant that I think it will have 400-500k subscribers 6 months from now.  I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation.  Rift is a pretty game with a solid foundation.  I expect it to do slightly better than LotRO or EQ2, but that's still niche by WoW standards.  If they do better, that's wonderful.  I'd like to see Hartsman rewarded. 

I'm still unconvinced that WoW players aren't just vacationing in Rift because they don't care for Cataclysm.  Perhaps a few fixes to Cataclysm will bring them back?  I don't know.  I do know that general chat is nothing but WoW chatter and WoW comparisons.  That suggests that the playerbase in Rift has some strong connection to WoW in some form. 

Nebu, I think I am not getting your stance. The criticisms about content and fun and stick-factor you move to Rift could easily be applied to WoW too. Still, that game has been "sticking" for 7 years and still is. So, honest question, are you arguing that the genre is dying and people who are still in WoW are there just out of a habit, or are you saying that Rift is missing something that WoW has?

Your polite doomcasting (bear with me) of Rift is reasonable, but considering how similar (and better) this game is compared to the 6 million pounds gorilla, and the few improvements it has has compared to that, I really don't get your point other than for the fact that "it's not Blizzard". Is that what you are saying?

If not, please explain and illustrate to me enough differences between Rift and WoW.

[Amaron]

Whether or not 500k is niche it's still massive profit.   It's enough profit for even cheapskate investors to reinvest some via large fequent content updates.   Considering that has been the cited reason nobody could compete with WoW it would be a substantial change to the industry.

[Shatter]

Ive decided that afking through warfronts is the best way to level.  I mean I get 4K xp for a loss, dont have to do anything(thank you G15) and get cleaning done at home or can surf porn.  They dont seem to give a shit so far so its working out nicely.  I plan to get 42 today while I hit up netflix

[Modern Angel]

First of all, thanks so much for shitting up my warfronts and then bragging about it. Second, you better believe they care. They're giving outright bans for it, and not always the Blizzard slap on the wrist please don't leave our game kind, either. Their tools just aren't 100% up to speed but you get reported enough, they'll know.

[Falconeer]

Ive decided that afking through warfronts is the best way to level.  I mean I get 4K xp for a loss, dont have to do anything(thank you G15) and get cleaning done at home or can surf porn.  They dont seem to give a shit so far so its working out nicely.  I plan to get 42 today while I hit up netflix

I appreciate your honesty about being an asshole.

[Lakov_Sanite]

First of all, thanks so much for shitting up my warfronts and then bragging about it. Second, you better believe they care. They're giving outright bans for it, and not always the Blizzard slap on the wrist please don't leave our game kind, either. Their tools just aren't 100% up to speed but you get reported enough, they'll know.

u mad?

[Hawkbit]

Three F13rs in two days need to take their shit back to the Vault.  Seriously. 

[Modern Angel]

u mad?

Yeah, bro. You slayed it there.

The other day, in the 30-39 bracket, the same five afkers were in Black Garden on Defiant side *for four hours*. I went five games in a row, gave up, checked back in an hour later, same five guys, rinse, repeat until I finally fucked off.

So yeah, I hope you're making fun of the AFKers in a roundabout way with your witticism because fuck those dudes. I can't wait for the impending "this game is so boring" post from guys who AFKed for 50 levels.

[Paelos]

The amount of  on this page is staggering.

The one thing I love about new MMO's is how it brings the community together.

[Abelian75]

Troll some more.

http://kotaku.com/#!5770312/trolling-this-post-would-be-in-incredibly-poor-taste

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Shatter]

I dont actually afk, I was just pointing out how easy it is and the rewards for doing it are very good especially for experience.  I just had to endure the same 3 people doing it the past 3 hours and lost every game because of it.  Im sure the patch today wont address it in any way.  Problem is that the person can do absolutely nothing and earn 4K xp per game...most of which last about 7 minutes.  They need to change it so anyone who doesnt participate walks away with nothing to discourage people from even bothering.  Didnt mean to piss anyone off, just hoping their devs are paying attention.  I also now have a running petition in with 20 names on it of chronic afkers.  To the person who rsaid they are banning people because of it...I hope you are correct

[Lakov_Sanite]

Don't know if that  was for me but when faced with statements like the above you really can't say anything else.

People should have learned by now that gamers will in fact 'game' the system. No matter what, no matter where if it can be afk'd, if it can be griefed someone will be there doing it. On my old wow server there was someone famous for going into alterac valley and simply fishing all day long soaking up honor/rep.  At some point you need to realize it's not the players who are at fault, they are simply playing what was given them and quite frankly don't give a damn about your enjoyment. If you are upset, taking your nerdrage out on the internet will do jack shit and isn't even focused on the right person.  The developers of a game are ultimately responsible and should be held accountable for these things.

[Nebu]

Your polite doomcasting (bear with me) of Rift is reasonable, but considering how similar (and better) this game is compared to the 6 million pounds gorilla, and the few improvements it has has compared to that, I really don't get your point other than for the fact that "it's not Blizzard". Is that what you are saying?

In a nutshell, yes.  

Rift is a good game.  It is well made and the art direction will appeal to many.  My point is a) that it's not enough of a departure from WoW to garner large numbers, b) that it lacks the Blizzard fan base to even be compared with WoW, and c) the game reminds me of WAR and Aion not in quality, but in lack of stickiness.  When the shine starts to wear off, people will realize that they left WoW for a different-looking-WoW and will either get bored faster or just go back to their first love.  

As I said before, I hope that I'm wrong.  I am a huge fan of Hartsman's work in EQ2 (a VERY underappreciated MMO) and wish him success.    

[Paelos]

I don't blame players for gaming a system. I do blame them for being cocks about it. That pretty much goes for all walks of life.

[Abelian75]

they are simply playing what was given them and quite frankly don't give a damn about your enjoyment.

Um, so not to take this any further, but I think if someone does not care about other people then they are in fact a bad person.

[Nebu]

I don't blame players for gaming a system. I do blame them for being cocks about it. That pretty much goes for all walks of life.

I think the behavior just serves as another data point demonstrating why people play these games.  Paying to afk a game says a lot about the MMO genre as well as the gamer's psyche.

[Mrbloodworth]

[Koyasha]

The report function in warfronts seems effective - a couple days ago I saw one person afk at the res pad, told everyone to /report, and a few moments later she was gone from the warfront, apparently having been kicked out by the reports.

[Lakov_Sanite]

People aren't people in mmo's. They are little pixelated sprites, disassociation and all that. I really don't think it makes you a bad person to not care if you just stole a mining node from legolaz(in my defense, his name was legolaz)