Planetside 2

[NiX]

..out manoeuvring missiles spammed by some dick in a MAX suit....

Dicks fuck pussies & assholes.

This thread sucked up until now.

[eldaec]

epic battles in the woods

The most epic battles I remember from around launch were always over bridges. Around launch people would fight like fury for them despite them having no strategic value whatsoever.

[Surlyboi]

Bridges had a lot of strategic value.

Unless you were fighting fucking barneys. 

[Mrbloodworth]

Bridges had a lot of strategic value.

Unless you were fighting fucking barneys.  

QFT.

Also: Loyalty till death!

[Demonix]

epic battles in the woods

The most epic battles I remember from around launch were always over bridges. Around launch people would fight like fury for them despite them having no strategic value whatsoever.

That was an instance of mechanics affecting player behavior;  in beta, the full xp value for a kill was given to all members of a squad.  this lead to battles EVERYWHERE, but the bridge ones were the most fun and we ignored the bases because there was no value to fighting there.  When they went live, they changed how xp sharing worked in a squad so that the value of a kill was divided among all members and they gave base capture an xp value that was better than simply killing;  This lead to more rambo fighting and base fighting stalemates, which was much less fun.

BRING BACK BRIDGE BATTLES!

[NiX]

BRING BACK BRIDGE BATTLES!

Or they could just make every battle be as enjoyable as a bridge battle.

[Mrbloodworth]

Bridge battles were epic because of the choke point, you could stall an army's ground forces at one bridge. (Barneys excluded)

[Speedy Cerviche]

Or they could just make every battle be as enjoyable as a bridge battle.

Yeah a bigger problem was that base & tower battles just suck. 40 people spamming crap down corridors = not fun.

Base design needs to be way more open for maneuver, large rooms, more entry points for each one. The main battles should be taking place outside a base, not inside 4 foot wide tunnels & staricases.

[Yegolev]

Dicks fuck pussies & assholes.

I'm a fan of this thread now.  Is PS2 any good?

[01101010]

Or they could just make every battle be as enjoyable as a bridge battle.

Yeah a bigger problem was that base & tower battles just suck. 40 people spamming crap down corridors = not fun.

Base design needs to be way more open for maneuver, large rooms, more entry points for each one. The main battles should be taking place outside a base, not inside 4 foot wide tunnels & staricases.

Well any hall/corridor is going to be a funnel point and a defender's best friend. I do agree...some of the best base battles were in the lobby areas - tech plants were good as well as dropship centers with many entry points and wide open rooms. Amp stations also come to mind, but you could plant a tank on the door and clear out a lot which was retarded. Backdoor areas were fine in giving the defenders a much easier time than attackers until the plasma whores got buffed - then it became stupid as well.

[Mrbloodworth]

Different people like different fighting environments. Not sure that equates to a game flaw. Most customization of your toon was to accent your style of play, this includes where you like to fight. Dont like hall and base fights? I'm sure there is an AMS around here somewhere.


I have always preferred Pc's cover and shoot base designs. I wont say they were perfect, some had more shitty spots than others, but thats the thing about games like this, you adapt.




I also love me some radiator.

[AcidCat]

The sheer variety of the kind of battles you could have in PlanetSide was one of the best things about it. I'm really stoked for this remake/sequel.

[Ratman_tf]

Those vehicle images make me think this is more than just some hot air blowing around the SOE offices.

Goddamn them. I want PS2 now.

[Modern Angel]

Given that DCUO wasn't the hard drive melting disaster we all thought it was going to be given the short development time they may very well pull this off, at least if pulling it off means a halfway decent game. At least I'm more confident than I was at announcement time.

[Goumindong]

Yeah a bigger problem was that base & tower battles just suck. 40 people spamming crap down corridors = not fun.

Base design needs to be way more open for maneuver, large rooms, more entry points for each one. The main battles should be taking place outside a base, not inside 4 foot wide tunnels & staricases.

more entry points bad (unless its more entry points on the same side). It makes it too easy for attackers to surround the defenders and win

Large rooms good. It gives everyone room to maneuver.

Ideally the capture point in a base should be at the end of a long wide corridor so that enemies must come in a certain way, but have cover and space for which to engage the fire fight.

Coincidentally kinda like a bridge.

Also fuck yall, i drove a hover tank.

[01101010]

Yeah a bigger problem was that base & tower battles just suck. 40 people spamming crap down corridors = not fun.

Base design needs to be way more open for maneuver, large rooms, more entry points for each one. The main battles should be taking place outside a base, not inside 4 foot wide tunnels & staricases.

more entry points bad (unless its more entry points on the same side). It makes it too easy for attackers to surround the defenders and win

Large rooms good. It gives everyone room to maneuver.

Ideally the capture point in a base should be at the end of a long wide corridor so that enemies must come in a certain way, but have cover and space for which to engage the fire fight.

Coincidentally kinda like a bridge.

Also fuck yall, i drove a hover tank.

Fuck you barney...

[UnSub]

Given that DCUO wasn't the hard drive melting disaster we all thought it was going to be given the short development time

DCUO took 5 years and cost over US$50m dollars. Right now a lot of issues that a longer beta would have shaken out - broken power / weapon combos, exploits, etc - are being seen by a large group of paying players. This is a big issue for DCUO since PvP appears to be its cornerstone.

For PS:Next, there is an existing template to work from. Depending on the changes - and I'm pretty sure this will be a PlanetSide relaunch rather than a true sequel - a shorter beta might work. Or might see PS:Next see the problems that DCUO is experiencing.

[Surlyboi]

Yeah a bigger problem was that base & tower battles just suck. 40 people spamming crap down corridors = not fun.

Base design needs to be way more open for maneuver, large rooms, more entry points for each one. The main battles should be taking place outside a base, not inside 4 foot wide tunnels & staricases.

more entry points bad (unless its more entry points on the same side). It makes it too easy for attackers to surround the defenders and win

Large rooms good. It gives everyone room to maneuver.

Ideally the capture point in a base should be at the end of a long wide corridor so that enemies must come in a certain way, but have cover and space for which to engage the fire fight.

Coincidentally kinda like a bridge.

Also fuck yall, i drove a hover tank.

Goofy grape beotch.

That said, bases are generally designed by and for defenders. Big, wide corridors are just not a good idea.

[Mrbloodworth]

What was that about factional loyalty? 

[01101010]

So I read that beta invites will be given to those still subbed to PS. Does that mean the beta is going to be outsourced to China? 

[Mrbloodworth]

Not that I have been paying attention, but I thought they stopped the china version.

[01101010]

It was more a jab at the swing PS took awhile back when chinese outfits were pervasive and, as read in my forums, hacking the game. I know when that group hit the server(s), many people quit out of disgust for SOE's neglect to do much of anything about it.

[Mrbloodworth]

Yeah, flying tanks. Not fun.

[Merusk]

Yeah, flying tanks. Not fun.

I disagree.

[Strazos]

My NC MAX was fine with guys holing up in a hallway...toss on the shield, maybe get a guy to rep from behind, and just unload with the scattershots.

[01101010]

My NC MAX was fine with guys holing up in a hallway...toss on the shield, maybe get a guy to rep from behind, and just unload with the scattershots.

1st generation Pounder MAX.

/fin

[Surlyboi]

What was that about factional loyalty? 

Smurf 'til I fucking die. And then still a smurf.

Represent.

[Slayerik]

My NC MAX was fine with guys holing up in a hallway...toss on the shield, maybe get a guy to rep from behind, and just unload with the scattershots.

1st generation Pounder MAX.

/fin

I'd pretty much go elsewhere when 2+ pounder MAXs decided they wanted to hold down a tower.

Magmowers weren't OP, they were fun! WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE FUN!!!?!!?!?

Vanu for Lyfe

[Mrbloodworth]

The part that was OP, was the lack of checking if people were behind walls or not. Kinda sucks just to be able to drive by a tower and kill the first floor :/

I would not mind some "run over" damage in the new version. As long as inf get tank traps again.

[Merusk]

I loved Pounders.  TR 

[01101010]

Funny thing about the Pounder MAXs... When I first started the game I always thought the grenade MAX was AV since it made more sense and more in-line with the other factions and the DC MAX was the AI since bullets, to me anyway, were for soft targets. Turned out I was correct months later...

Loyalty until Death! Strength in Unity! Order requires law. Law is enforced through deterrence. Deterrence is based on the fear of consequences, and fear is the most powerful motivating force. The separatist groups, the Vanu Sovereignty and the New Conglomerate, will be dismantled through the exercise of forceful deterrence. Dissidents will fear the consequences of their disloyalty. Unity and order will be restored.

[Sky]

I think one of the most important lessons they can take away from PS1, especially with a short dev cycle for PS2, is to make the game with extensibility in mind. Ship a small, fun core and then develop your core fanbase, adding as budget allows. And the big lesson all mmo devs need to learn: keep your budgets small and your designs focused.

[Nebu]

And the big lesson all mmo devs need to learn: keep your budgets small and your designs focused.

I'd also add one little tidbit: Make your game fun from level 1 (if the game has levels).  Grinding to "get to the fun" is a disaster waiting to happen...

[Lantyssa]

Vu is NC.  I like the 'Hippies'.  This will cause friction in our household.

[Jimbo]

Fraggle Power!!

Plus the guys from KAAOS (Hedron's outfit) were great to play with, miss the massive random battles.

I doubt they get it right, but then again if it doesn't suck and I can still drive some cool vehicles it will be fun.