Planetside 2

[shiznitz]

The invulnerability thing is not going to work.  If you reduce the xp value of freshly spawned people, why do you need this?

I like the idea of making a player's xp value tied to his kills, not his length of survival.  This makes support guys worth less xp and rewards the front line fighters.  And I say this as mostly a support monkey.

If anyone playing does not already know, if you link your character to Planetside Universe, you can see what classes you kill the most. For example, my kills on my NC toon are 45% HA and a little less than 30% engineer.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/character.php?stats=MrJoshua1&tab=Charts

[01101010]

The invulnerability thing is not going to work.  If you reduce the xp value of freshly spawned people, why do you need this?

I like the idea of making a player's xp value tied to his kills, not his length of survival.  This makes support guys worth less xp and rewards the front line fighters.  And I say this as mostly a support monkey.

If anyone playing does not already know, if you link your character to Planetside Universe, you can see what classes you kill the most. For example, my kills on my NC toon are 45% HA and a little less than 30% engineer.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/character.php?stats=MrJoshua1&tab=Charts

You need this to give a freshly spawned person on a lower-end machine the 2-3 seconds to orient themselves and not die when the sundy explodes the second they spawn. For medic revives, instead of popping accept rez button and hauling ass to cover, now you have a few seconds to load the screen and figure out where cover is to run for. I can see the kiddies just popping up and continuing to fight without regrouping so that might be an issue.

[Mrbloodworth]

Yeah, that's more about load times than anything. Even with a capable machine, one internet hiccup means you are dead before your screen even renders.  Its likely to be extremely short, and broken by any type of input.

[shiznitz]

I guess I can understand the lag issues, but it seems like an excessive solution that could be better handled by - how shall I say it? - the common sense not to revive oneself in the middle of a firefight. This is something most of us learn pretty quickly in the game - if one cares about one's death count.

[Viin]

I don't like the invuln for a revive either, too easy to abuse it seems. Once you get a revive popup, I think it will let you revive 10-15 seconds later. The two together would make it very easy to rarely need to spawn somewhere far from the fight.

And I really hate the "tell us how to make our game so you'll stay subbed" crap. Do you not have a vision for your game or what? FFS.

[01101010]

I guess I can understand the lag issues, but it seems like an excessive solution that could be better handled by - how shall I say it? - the common sense not to revive oneself in the middle of a firefight. This is something most of us learn pretty quickly in the game - if one cares about one's death count.

I am pretty sure this invulnerable thing is mainly spawning at an AMS - which you don't know is just about to explode when you hit the spawn button. I have spawned dead plenty of times at a Sundy that exploded. It is one of those issues that I bring up to invalidate the use of K/D ratios.

[croaker69]

I could see it being exploitable if you can use that freshly revived and immune MAX in a choke point to block fire.  Repeat.

[Mrbloodworth]

No way it will be 15 seconds. more like, 1-2.

[shiznitz]

If they are going to implement some kind of invulnerability, then make it specific to flak and friendly fire only.  Enemy bullets should always be dangerous.

[Thrawn]

So I'm attacking the enemy AMS, someone spawns in front of me and I empty a ton of ammo into them only to have them turn and kill me because they were invincible for the two seconds I was shooting at them.

Terrible, terrible, idea.

[01101010]

So I'm attacking the enemy AMS, someone spawns in front of me and I empty a ton of ammo into them only to have them turn and kill me because they were invincible for the two seconds I was shooting at them.

Terrible, terrible, idea.

Concentrate on the AMS and not the spawns. I think that is the take away.

I am one of the big SOE critics especially of this game, but I think the chicken little panic people are having over this is a little over the top.

[Kageru]

A couple of seconds of re-orientation time after spawning is pretty much vital to medics being remotely useful. It also stops vehicles just shelling the AMS spawn and getting insta-kills on people re-spawning. Which is too rewarding and one of the main complaints encouraging people to quit. Of course it's a bit artificial.

Most of the other changes seem sensible, but fairly moderate and iterative, will be interesting to see what they look like when they are actually in game.

[Falconeer]

The invulnerability thing is not going to work.  If you reduce the xp value of freshly spawned people, why do you need this?

A 5 seconds invuln would be better. All I need is something that prevents respawning from a Sunderer ON an exploding granate. That's stupid, and even just a 3 seconds invulnerability would help. 15 seconds is insane and unfair.


EDIT: I also hope this won't apply in any way to freshly rezzed-by-medic players, that would make certain advancing hordes unstoppable.

[shiznitz]

Invulnerability for any period over 1 second can be tactically exploited to great effect, even if it turns off if the invulnerable fires their weapon.  Just imagine a full squad of invulnerables charging a contested point.  The enemy fires on them to no effect, the enemy has to reload, the invulnerables shoot them in the face.  It is a fucking clownshoes response to a small problem.

[Mrbloodworth]

Invulnerability for any period over 1 second can be tactically exploited to great effect, even if it turns off if the invulnerable fires their weapon.  Just imagine a full squad of invulnerables charging a contested point.  The enemy fires on them to no effect, the enemy has to reload, the invulnerables shoot them in the face.  It is a fucking clownshoes response to a small problem.

That won't happen, it breaks on user input, or timeout.

People are acting like this is new, or other games don't do it.

[Lantyssa]

If enough of your team is down that you can rez an unstoppable horde, then you already massively outnumber your opposition, or too many are dead to stop the medics from dying, too.

[Falconeer]

Anyway, gameplay wise nothing is ever more frustrating than shooting and wasting bullets on an invulnerable target. Knowing Planetside 2 as well as I know it, I think this is a terrible idea even if it means silly me will keep respawning on top of exploding grenade a few more times.

[Falconeer]

Crashing zones on purpose is now fixed. And a few banned.

[Mrbloodworth]

you can rez an unstoppable horde

An immobile "horde" that looses its invulnerability upon any action is unstoppable?

[shiznitz]

If moving at all cancels invul, then I am satisfied.

[Lantyssa]

<sigh>

Cancelled on movement or not, I agree with you people are way overreacting.

[Gets]

Crashing zones on purpose is now fixed. And a few banned.

The timing of the exploit's discovery could not have been worse, too, as its use grew widespread did right around winter break. That left the SOE out of the office to address it, and the game in a state many considered unplayable throughout much of the Double XP promo. Nevertheless, SOE has moved with welcome rapidity now that they're back in the office. We have our fix, and I'd imagine outfits of all sorts, from Devil Dogs (Connery) to TEST (Mattherson) and basically everything in between, are finding themselves short a handful of unscrupulous players.

Naming and shaming just because.

[Miasma]

We made some TR alts tonight and wow, everything they have is so much better than the NC other than their main battle tank.  I can not believe how far away and how fast I can kill people with the Carv.  The stock Carv is way better than my fully upgraded EM6, which I had to buy.  The mosquito is so much faster and more agile than the reaver.  I imagine the vanu stuff is even better than TR.  No drop, clearly the best tank and the scythe?  NC really does get the short end of the stick, I thought it was mostly forum whining.

[Teleku]

Yeah, Vanu shit really does out class everything.   

Glad I decided to go team good guys rather than the NC (though this was before I relized all of F13 jumped on the NC train for some reason) but man the Vanu vehicles and equipment seems so much better....

[5150]

We made some TR alts tonight and wow, everything they have is so much better than the NC other than their main battle tank.  I can not believe how far away and how fast I can kill people with the Carv.  The stock Carv is way better than my fully upgraded EM6, which I had to buy.  The mosquito is so much faster and more agile than the reaver.  I imagine the vanu stuff is even better than TR.  No drop, clearly the best tank and the scythe?  NC really does get the short end of the stick, I thought it was mostly forum whining.

Makes a change from TR being gimped in PS1 (admittedly mostly due to lack of numbers when everything they had was based on numbers)

[Falconeer]

team good guys rather than the NC

What? NC are the good guys.

[Surlyboi]

team good guys rather than the NC

What? NC are the good guys.

Seriously, this. Fucking Vanu hippies.

That said, the NC are seriously fucking gimped.

[Mrbloodworth]

[Mrbloodworth]

Planetside 2 - New January Patch Discussion - TotalHalibut

[Lantyssa]

Seriously, this. Fucking Vanu hippies.

Suck Lasher, Smurf.

[Nija]

You need a good group of guys to pull stuff off on NC. The outfit I'm in has been described as "going to the dentist" by people facing us.

Hit me up on NC Connery, we're recruiting. If you like 2-3 squad quick strike/save gameplay we could be for you.

[Trippy]

You in 666 or CCG?

I don't mind Vanu being better since they are still hopelessly outnumbered in this version but fuck TR.

[01101010]

I don't mind totalbiscuit and think his reviews are pretty fair, but his recommendation for invulnerability only when spawning at a static spawn at a base or outpost makes no god damn sense at all. All static spawnpoints are behind shields and in effect a safe zone where you are invulnerable from the enemy. I can sort of agree with the rezzing players and fully understand what he is saying about the revive grenade scenario, but again... I think people are reading way too much into this, TB as well, that you are going to have people running about who are unkillable which I doubt will be the case. Outside of that, I liked the vid.

[Slayerik]

I still like this game but haven't logged in for like a week. My MWO addiction is too strong. How are outfits looking, number-wise (losing people already)? Sorry about getting you in the outfit, Pennilenko, and disappearing...haha

[Mrbloodworth]

Re: VANU OP, NC Suck.

Ill just leave this here