Planetside 2

[Trippy]

Are there vehicle terminals you can hack? That was always fun in PS1

[Mrbloodworth]

Its not like you can pull an AMS right in the base anymore. /shrug

[Malakili]

One is a team who had the forethought and team building to bring the right equipment/skills to complete an objective, with all the pro/cons that comes with it. likely Including, many hours training together to insert that hacker.

The other is a bunch of people playing alone together that happen to be in range of the flag. Boom head shot.

I think you've answered your own question.  The more we see of this game the more it is clear they want to it to be playable without ever actually coordinating in any meaningful way with anyone else.

[Trippy]

Its not like you can pull an AMS right in the base anymore. /shrug

Oh yeah. Fuck.

[Mrbloodworth]

 

[Mrbloodworth]

We don't get Enter/Exit animations, but we do get Cockpit views.  




Taking bets if they let you turn it off.  

[Ghambit]

I dont mind being able to shut off cockpit, but only if they allow mouselook within it to balance the odds against people who dont use it.  If mouselook is allowed no matter the view, then yah... fail.

[Mrbloodworth]

I mind.

Its akin to grass in PS1. Maybe you had the horsepower to render it. But you were a fool not to turn it off anyway.

Everyone needs to be playing the same game, or the inclusion of the model is useless.

[Slayerik]

Yeah, I think I've pretty much lost hope in this. It's a shame, too.

[Speedy Cerviche]

Sneaking in and hacking was cheesy anyways, glad its gone. Go play thief or deus ex if you wanna do that. Nobody wants to play this game to do patrols/sentry duty against some sneak who plays with a cloaking device and looks for unguarded consols to takeover. People wanna play planetside for massive battles.

[Mrbloodworth]

Sneaking in and hacking was cheesy anyways, glad its gone.

Stop talking.

[Surlyboi]

Sneaking in and hacking was cheesy anyways, glad its gone.

Stop talking. trolling.

Seriously cervix, shut the fuck up.

[Ghambit]

I mind.

Its akin to grass in PS1. Maybe you had the horsepower to render it. But you were a fool not to turn it off anyway.

Everyone needs to be playing the same game, or the inclusion of the model is useless.

It's not akin to grass because we're talking about a flight model here, not a shooter on foot.  Any time you can run a virt. cockpit with mouselook/head-tracking you're far and away much more capable than someone with a few more fps running a locked 3rd-person view, outside, whatever.  (assuming they lock it)   And it's not the same game for the simple reason if I fire up my trackIR and hotas stick I'll pretty much pwn anyone running some high-fps arcadey view, or even the cockpit view with standard controls.  Matter of fact, an argument can be made the game is totally different in this sense.

Impossible to code everyone into the same game.

[Mrbloodworth]

I was referring to grass, not due to FPS, but to hide in. Everyone turned it off. So Timmy in the tall grass over there is at a disadvantage.


Its already settled. Its a fixed feature, in first person you have cockpit view, also mouse look is in, so is third person for aircraft. At least they have sense :)

Matthew Higby ‏ @mhigby
it will always be on when you're in first-person. Third-person won't have any targeting and will be mostly for spatial awareness

[Ghambit]

Sense indeed.  I wont lie, I'm happy.  Shows they fuckin listen at least in those regards.
Granted, I planned on running a combat wing almost strictly so a lot was hinging on this for me.

[01101010]

AFAIK, they still have doors. That are apparently more secure than Consoles now. Dam the VS and their technical marvels.

Hacking:

No Vehicle jacking.
Not needed for capturing.
Doors are hackable.
Terminals? Not even needed because you spawn with all equipment.
I have no idea what else.... But all cloakers are hackers and all hackers are cloakers now.


What I do not understand, Is it REALLY so hard to cover a guy while he is hacking a base? or is this just another "Battlefield does it" choice.

Because in my mind this is a step backwards.

One is a team who had the forethought and team building to bring the right equipment/skills to complete an objective, with all the pro/cons that comes with it. likely Including, many hours training together to insert that hacker.

The other is a bunch of people playing alone together that happen to be in range of the flag. Boom head shot.

Welp, the lack of an AMS had me on the edge and this just put me over. Fuck off Higby and SOE for eviscerating PS into generic shoot v2.3 with more people. See games these days are nothing more than a genre with a different skin now. God I hope GW2 live up to the word on the street.

edit: And just to add... since this will be F2P it will have some numbers, but what is the break point for it? I just want to watch Higby burn and count his excuses.

[Surlyboi]

What's the lifespan of the average FPS these days? Three months? Six? They want stickiness and they're not going to get it because they're playing to the short attention span audience that is the BF CoD playerbase. Black Ops will drop in the fall and their playerbase will disappear and they'll be scratching their heads as to why.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

[Malakili]

What's the lifespan of the average FPS these days? Three months? Six? They want stickiness and they're not going to get it because they're playing to the short attention span audience that is the BF CoD playerbase. Black Ops will drop in the fall and their playerbase will disappear and they'll be scratching their heads as to why.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Maybe after all those people leave they will patch the game to give the few folks with hope what they want.

That is totally likely, right?

[Kitsune]

So, you no longer hack bases anymore.

Awesome.

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

(╯ಠ_ಠ）╯︵ ┻━┻

Fuck that, I'm out.  Covering the hacker while praying desperately for the timer to go faster and listening to the gunfire getting closer was the last awesome thing that they could remove before I completely gave up on the game.  Camel's back, meet straw.

[Surlyboi]

What's the lifespan of the average FPS these days? Three months? Six? They want stickiness and they're not going to get it because they're playing to the short attention span audience that is the BF CoD playerbase. Black Ops will drop in the fall and their playerbase will disappear and they'll be scratching their heads as to why.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

Maybe after all those people leave they will patch the game to give the few folks with hope what they want.

That is totally likely, right?

Nope, they'll shelve it, declare the whole experiment a loss because the playerbase obviously didn't like the non-shooter parts of it and roll out something even more basic.

[01101010]

Nope, they'll shelve it, declare the whole experiment a loss because the playerbase obviously didn't like the non-shooter parts of it and roll out something even more basic.

Sounds familiar. 

[Mrbloodworth]

Planetside 2 - Night Ops Totalbiscuit

[Engels]

Smed gets fragged at 14:23

[Mrbloodworth]

Indeed he does. I played PS with TB, so I do value his opinion.

I highly recommend watching this at the highest resolution.

[01101010]

I see a lot of capture points... which may or may not be a good thing. Night time was a nice change. Spawning... stupid. No terms, instant popping into role and off you go. Really, I saw a lot of eye candy and a lot of BF3 dressed up like PS, as I have said all along. I may or may not have played with Biscuit (probably not since I was always in outfit only squads), but I do recall his name while I was playing so I will give him some credit. Frankly, I just can't get excited about nameless shooter #354 that is not from EA or Activision.

oh and SOE...

[HaemishM]

I was actually impressed with it. It's very pretty.

[Malakili]

Looks good as a shooter, but the big picture is what is going to make the thing sink or swim (at least from my perspective).  If it is just a fun sci fi shooter, I'll probably end up playing a bit and putting it down.  If it has a strategic layer which gets me really invested in the campaign, defending this or that, taking this or that, and generally caring about the outcomes of the battles outside of "I have an hour to play a game, I'll just log in and shoot stuff" then I could play this game for a long time. 

I don't think the gameplay looking Battlefield esque is a terrible thing - I liked Battlefield BC2 (haven't played BF3).  But again, if it is JUST Battlefield, then I don't see the point.  It needs to be more than that.

[Sky]

I sometimes wonder if some of you are capable of just having fun. That looks awesome.

[Surlyboi]

MW3 looks awesome too. Held my attention for the five hours to go through the single player plus another couple playing multi and I was done. Gerneric shooter is generic.

[LK]

Night effects and tracer fire were shit hot.  The videos give a sense it'll handle well. I can appreciate that much.

[01101010]

MW3 looks awesome too. Held my attention for the five hours to go through the single player plus another couple playing multi and I was done. Gerneric shooter is generic.

Hi! Let's be friends! 

[Malakili]

I sometimes wonder if some of you are capable of just having fun. That looks awesome.

I'm not.  I get bored of games where I'm "just having fun" really quickly.  They are "just fun" for a few hours, and then I grow bored because I get a lot of my enjoyment from games from learning/analyzing/planning, etc. 

[Surlyboi]

I had really high hopes for this. And I'll still definitely play it, but looking at a lot of the developer bios and talks, I'm not enthused. To much new jack, too little history and too little understanding of what made the original PS unique. This will launch, get a decent initial playerbase and then, the new Medal of Honor and Black Ops 2 will drop and the servers will be ghost towns.

[5150]

Maybe after all those people leave they will patch the game to give the few folks with hope what they want.

You mean like SWG! oh wai...

[Malakili]

Maybe after all those people leave they will patch the game to give the few folks with hope what they want.

You mean like SWG! oh wai...

Yeah, I wasn't being serious.