SWTOR

[Morfiend]

So in other news...  Bat Country.  PvP or PvE server?

It says RP server on the guild page.

No shit, Sherlock.  Dont be so obtuse.

RP implies PVE, RP PVP servers are designated separately (if they even exist in SWTOR).

Don't worry, Schild will swoop in at the last second and demand a normal PVE server anyway.

[Ingmar]

Pretty sure the ganking would only be happening out in the more traditional Kill 10 Wamprats areas of the game world anyway, rather than in the story sections which are presumably instanced?

[Merusk]

Don't worry, Schild will swoop in at the last second and demand a normal PVE server anyway.

Who?   

[Sky]

Don't worry, Schild will swoop in at the last second and demand a normal PVE server anyway.

Bioware is picking where BC ends up.

Still plenty of time to fuck up the Republic version of BC, though.

Pretty sure the ganking would only be happening out in the more traditional Kill 10 Wamprats areas of the game world anyway, rather than in the story sections which are presumably instanced?

The ganking would happen right outside the story sections :)

Still, given the setting the idea is appealing. But my issue is that to enjoy a pvp server is to be in an organized guild of competent players who spend a lot of time in the game, or at least have enough numbers to ensure coverage when you're on.

So...not BC.  

SC, let us know where you end up so those wanting to dabble in open pvp can find a guild (at the risk of further fragmenting BC, it's normal doomcasting).

[Malakili]

Don't worry, Schild will swoop in at the last second and demand a normal PVE server anyway.

Bioware is picking where BC ends up.

Still plenty of time to fuck up the Republic version of BC, though.

Pretty sure the ganking would only be happening out in the more traditional Kill 10 Wamprats areas of the game world anyway, rather than in the story sections which are presumably instanced?

The ganking would happen right outside the story sections :)

Still, given the setting the idea is appealing. But my issue is that to enjoy a pvp server is to be in an organized guild of competent players who spend a lot of time in the game, or at least have enough numbers to ensure coverage when you're on.

So...not BC.  

SC, let us know where you end up so those wanting to dabble in open pvp can find a guild (at the risk of further fragmenting BC, it's normal doomcasting).

I'm guessing its going to be more like "Hey, big fight going on a Hoth, everyone come!"  I don't expect you'll need a guild if you want to participate, just show up and kill stuff. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

I'm guessing its going to be more like "Hey, big fight going on a Hoth, everyone come!"  I don't expect you'll need a guild if you want to participate, just show up and kill stuff. 

Translation: Five people showed up in orgrimmar and started killing guards and spamming local defense. Thirty horde show up to defend only to find the people are half dead or left.  Survivors of the initial assault are then camped for another hour.

Yeah, pvp in pve games = dumb

[Malakili]

I'm guessing its going to be more like "Hey, big fight going on a Hoth, everyone come!"  I don't expect you'll need a guild if you want to participate, just show up and kill stuff. 

Translation: Five people showed up in orgrimmar and started killing guards and spamming local defense. Thirty horde show up to defend only to find the people are half dead or left.  Survivors of the initial assault are then camped for another hour.

Yeah, pvp in pve games = dumb

I don't disagree, I'm just saying I expect thats how it'll be in this game.

[kildorn]

See, I link more Emain. "Hey guys, fight on Hoth", 300 Darth Vader001s running around as your 15 troopers zone in and go "hokaaay" and try to get through a space milegate while bitching on the forums about how the empire never brought overwhelming force to a fight and they should l2*randomgroupsize*

But really, pvp server + stealth classes = lolno.

[Rendakor]

No the hell it doesn't.  Every MMO in the last several years has PvP, PvE, RP-PvP and RP-PvE.  WoW, EQ2, AoC, Rift, Aion...

Ahem.

To allow for different play-styles, realms come in four types:

        * PvE (a.k.a. Normal) - Player vs. Environment
        * PvP - Player vs. Player
        * RP - Roleplaying version of a PvE realm. Additional behavior and naming rules apply.
        * RP-PvP - Roleplaying version of a PvP realm. Additional behavior and naming rules apply.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Um....

[SnakeCharmer]

No the hell it doesn't.  Every MMO in the last several years has PvP, PvE, RP-PvP and RP-PvE.  WoW, EQ2, AoC, Rift, Aion...

Ahem.

To allow for different play-styles, realms come in four types:

        * PvE (a.k.a. Normal) - Player vs. Environment
        * PvP - Player vs. Player
        * RP - Roleplaying version of a PvE realm. Additional behavior and naming rules apply.
        * RP-PvP - Roleplaying version of a PvP realm. Additional behavior and naming rules apply.

You, ah, want to look at that list again?  I really don't want to state the obvious, so I'll just let you figure it out.

SC, let us know where you end up so those wanting to dabble in open pvp can find a guild (at the risk of further fragmenting BC, it's normal doomcasting).

I'll definately be hitting an east coast RP-PvP server.

[ezrast]

Uh, the point of contention is that RP-PvE servers are usually just referred to as RP servers. He's right.

[SnakeCharmer]

OMG it's shortened to RP and not RP-PvE so it's like totally different!!

It's the same fucking thing (ruleset), dipshit. 

[ezrast]

Then what the hell did you mean by this?

So in other news...  Bat Country.  PvP or PvE server?

It says RP server on the guild page.

No shit, Sherlock.  Dont be so obtuse.

[Ratman_tf]

I roleplay a psychotic murderer named Assface.

[Stabs]

I roleplay a psychotic murderer named Assface.

I know you - your parents were murdered by muggers orcs wookies when you were a boy, right?

[Furiously]

Ewoks.  Those things were deadly.

[Simond]

Good job they all died when the debris from the second Death Star fell flaming out of the sky then.

[Shatter]

Game is shit without Ewok Jedi

[Malakili]

OMG it's shortened to RP and not RP-PvE so it's like totally different!!

It's the same fucking thing (ruleset), dipshit. 

Thats what you got upset about in the first place.  I said "RP" and you got all bent out of shape that I didn't say RP-PvE.  The rest of that discussion was other people pointing out that RP usually means RP-PvE unless otherwise denoted as RP-PvP.  I don't know why you're getting so up in arms over this relatively small terminology issue.  BC is going to be on an RP server with a PvE ruleset.  There, now you have your answer and you can stop being cranky.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Namiing my guy SithDood

[Surlyboi]

Naming my Smuggler Pluto Nash.

[Paelos]

So we have to RP? Like in chat and shit?

[Sky]

So we have to RP? Like in chat and shit?

Yes, thou must verily useth yon olde Englishe.

Dibs on Jayne69 for my BH.

[Merusk]

Yeah, well I'm gonna name my BH Bubba Fatt.  He's from the Deep South of Mandalore.

He's had no tragedy in life.. he just thinks all you aliens are scum and not civilized enough to know your place. 

[eldaec]

So we have to RP? Like in chat and shit?

Yes, thou must verily useth yon olde Englishe.

Dibs on Jayne69 for my BH.

-*Dr1zzt*- the smurf imperial agent approves of this gimmick.

[Sky]

Yeah, well I'm gonna name my BH Bubba Fatt.  He's from the Deep South of Mandalore.

Nice! I'm changing mine to Bossk Hogg. We have our BC RP theme, changed from the Imperial Local Steamfitters Union.

Companion death *redacted*. Everyone reading up on the SDCC stuff? Lots of info dribbling out. Something Rift could learn from: you'll be able to upgrade the armor of your speeder so you get knocked off by NPCs less.

[Lantyssa]

Save Daasey Duk'es for when I eventually pick it up.

[01101010]

Ross'ko P'Koaltrayn would work I suppose...

[Lakov_Sanite]

Companion death redacted - called it.

Rift also has upgraded mounts that let you get knocked off 'less' so this announcement doesn't mean anything until it's actually shown how easy it is to get or how bad npc's dismounting you is in the first place.  I am leary of anything that allows you to 'upgrade away from the suck' it implies that it sucks in the first place.

[Montague]

Rift just actually said fuck it and got rid of the stacking diismount debuff altogether. And isn't "upgrading from the suck" the whole point of diku?

[Reg]

Companion death redacted - called it.

Called what? Got a link?

[Malakili]

Rift just actually said fuck it and got rid of the stacking diismount debuff altogether. And isn't "upgrading from the suck" the whole point of diku?

Theres a difference between my character sucks because I need upgrades, and this mechanic sucks.

[Stabs]

Rift just actually said fuck it and got rid of the stacking diismount debuff altogether. And isn't "upgrading from the suck" the whole point of diku?

Theres a difference between my character sucks because I need upgrades, and this mechanic sucks.

I think he means in iterative game design terms. Ie there were the bad old days when folks had to walk to dungeons then we upgraded to being able to footzle around in Orgrimmar while a couple of shmucks run to the dungeon to summon everyone then we upgraded again to getting teleported in when the group filled.

Pretty soon dikus are going to be perfect.

[kildorn]

Game is shit without Ewok Jedi

DLC, man. DLC.

edit: and companion death made no sense in an MMO, imo. "I killed this douchebag, then a year later they patched him to be awesome, ZOMG APPEAL" is just something not worth dealing with. If you want to RP they're dead, just don't use them. But a lot of single player mechanics don't translate well to the MMO format.