Warhammer Newsletter - March

[eldaec]

My gut tells me that the whole "scenario" thing is a recipe for disaster. 

I wouldn't go that far, it's just a recipe for a niche game. As demonstrated by GW.

It might also be a recipe for lots of depressed ex-daoc players. But, in all probability they'll be drowned out by ex-WoWzers wondering why they don't often win GW style sport pvp.

[HRose]

To answer Nebu's question:  Mythic still believes RvR can work.  Instatized PvP is hughly popular. So they incorporated it into their RvR.  I don't see what the mystery is.

In that case the mystery is what the hell RvR means. Because if RvR is two or more factions fighting over volatile objectives in a private instance, then also WoW is RvR.

Earlier in this thread people agreed that the RvR is something else at its core. A system that goes deeper than just the superficial division into two or more groups.

[Fordel]

The key difference between regular old PvP and RvR is inclusion. Anyone can join in the RvR fun. WoW does have RvR, it is just limited, poorly planned and secondary to everything else in the game. It is there, it just isn't very good  .

[Hoax]

I think half of my deep rooted hatred for DAOC and by proxy, Mythic is the term RvR.  It doesn't mean anything.  It is some stupid marketing speak that people refuse to drop.  The other half is there inability to have anything even resembling class balance for the first six months after launch.

[Trippy]

The key difference between regular old PvP and RvR is inclusion. Anyone can join in the RvR fun.

Huh? I don't get it. How does it exclude people? If a game supports PvP and you want to PvP you can PvP. RvR is just a fancy term for team-based PvP.

[caladein]

I don't really agree with the distinction so much, but I can sort of understand the argument: in your usual guild-on-guild PvP, you can be excluded simply because you're not in a certain uber-guild. Multi-side RvR though you're all lumped together as your side so the uber-guild can wind up playing next to Random Guy #1561 as they're all on the same side.

You might not wind up working together at all, and when the ubers pull out you'll be left to rot... but at least you could gleam off some of fun... I guess.

[eldaec]

The key difference between regular old PvP and RvR is inclusion. Anyone can join in the RvR fun.

Huh? I don't get it. How does it exclude people? If a game supports PvP and you want to PvP you can PvP. RvR is just a fancy term for team-based PvP.

In RvR ubers have no reason to exclude noobs. Because noobs do not dilute the effect of ubers or take up a valuable resource (team slots). Further, concepts like keep sieges provide a opportunity for noobs to contribute to realm performance in a context that does not require twitch skills and a shittonne of practice coordinating tactics with your guild. Yes. I said twitch skills.

In Instanced Sport PvP ubers have every reason to exclude noobs, you get uber teams and noob teams, the uber teams don't give a rats ass about the noob teams in their realm, and frankly, they would prefer that the noob teams stay the hell out of 'their' sport pvp system because all they are doing is giving away victory points to the other mob.