Job thread

[HaemishM]

I'm not on the all government employees are idiots bandwagon, though I have met my fair share of those at the state government level. To the point that during a conversation with one of them, I asked him to set me up an FTP account on their web server, and I could hear him flipping pages in a manual trying to figure out how to do that. This was for the state level IT department - someone ostensibly in charge of web hosting for government agencies for the entire goddamn state.

OTOH, I always point to the Post Office as a brilliant model of government efficiency. Yes, the lines are slow. Yes, they sometimes lose packages and letters. BUT... the for-profit shipping companies sure as fuck aren't taking the birthday card you sent to your grandmother living in Bumfuck, Egypt for less than 2 quarters.

[Yegolev]

You would probably hear me googling how to set up your user.  That, or me hanging up on you.

[HaemishM]

Well this was 1999. I'm thinking if you are a server admin like this guy was, he should know how to set up an FTP account.

[schild]

I've already gone through 3 job reqs there.  I came in as an internal referral from an old coworker at another job who actively tried to poach me for his team.  This whole thing washed out weird in a way that makes me not even want to consider trying a 4th.

I'm looking for mobile developers (android *and* ios) in the Seattle area if anyone knows anyone. Preferably someone with Comp Sci background or SDK development experience.

Ya'll should chat?

[Viin]

We did :)

[schild]

Please send all referrals to the donation link.

[Trippy]

Referral bonuses, that is.

[schild]

Yes. Those.

[Yegolev]

Fresh job offer from Disney leads off with "if you would be interested in relocation to Seattle or LA".  I don't get it.  Was there some anti-remote kool-aid passed around at the last Stonecutter's meeting?

Naturally I replied that I was not interested in relocation, but I'm open to being persuaded, or persuading the hiring manager.

[Rasix]

Well, I guess you're already used to horrible traffic.

[schild]

Fresh job offer from Disney leads off with "if you would be interested in relocation to Seattle or LA".  I don't get it.  Was there some anti-remote kool-aid passed around at the last Stonecutter's meeting?

Naturally I replied that I was not interested in relocation, but I'm open to being persuaded, or persuading the hiring manager.

No job is worth LA.

Seattle is nicer than Klanrally, GA though.

[Paelos]

Seattle is nicer than Klanrally, GA though.

Almost anything is until October when it gets bearable in Klanrally.

[Ard]

Fresh job offer from Disney leads off with "if you would be interested in relocation to Seattle or LA".  I don't get it.  Was there some anti-remote kool-aid passed around at the last Stonecutter's meeting?

You should come relocate to Seattle so I can punch you in the nuts for talking me into buying Sakura Wars.

[Chimpy]

Working for the Rat is never worth it.

[Yegolev]

I'll do this in reverse just for fun.

I don't know anything about working for Disney in IT except for a few anecdotes that tell me it's like basically every other company ever since Hammurabi wrote the first HR guidelines.  I do realize there is a bias from Chimpy and that there are valid reasons; also realize that I generally am not concerned about those.  I'm concerned about total compensation and my own family.  Since we go to WDW once a year, an employee discount would be nice, but then if I lived in Seattle I wouldn't go to WDW every year.

So, it rains more in GA than WA.  I think I'd be fine with moving there except for the two blockers: my wife's business is here, and I don't want to sell my awesome Klan Hall - I mean house.

I've been to Disneyland and the surrounding area is a shithole.

I am indeed used to horrible traffic.  I already spend 2.5 hours per day in the car.  More if I need to run any errand at all, which I do since my son is now in middle school and after-school programs exist.  I can see the thing that will be SunTrust Park from my building, and the county is reconstructing almost every street around it in a 3 mile radius.  Also there is the Northwest Expressway.  And the bypass around my nearest town is still under construction after 2-3 years.  It is true that the Georgia State Bird is the Orange-bellied Traffic Cone.

So, would LA be worse?  Yes.  I'm not afraid of being consumed by literal flames while in GA.  Pollen is worse here (than anywhere, I challenge) but LA has smog and I think it is above 95F in December there.

We have our first transfer from Other IBM into my particular group.  IBM wanted her to move to Austin.

[Yegolev]

Additionally.  I know people are kinda joking but I've never ever seen any actual Klan activity.  I might assume that this is because I was never cool enough to be invited.

Now, just plain old stupid redneck racism?  Yes.

[Chimpy]

I know nothing about the IT area of The Rat, my loathing goes back to college when I learned about their corporate policies (which are draconian, if you don't drink the koolaid or fit their perfect little world, you are out) from people who had worked there. They were still being run in the 1990s as if they were in the 1960s with a card carrying American Nazi party member as the boss.  

[Yegolev]

Yeah, turns out that corporations are somewhat like physical objects in that time runs more slowly close to the bigger ones.  So, having worked for The Coca-Cola Company (the "The" is very important) and HP, draconian policies are not something that I worry about.  On the flip of that, I've already cleared myself of consideration with my radical talk of remote work.

[HaemishM]

If you live in Arizona now, the racism and redneckery will be just as strong there as GA. It'll just be towards Mexicans and Hispanics instead of blacks, Mexicans and Hispanics. And Muslims which are hated by rednecks everywhere.

[Abagadro]

So I've found myself in a position I have never been in my entire life.  I have a job offer to switch employers to do similar work but more on my own than the office I have now (be basically solo rather than part of a medium sized group of lawyers). Fewer hours, a fairly significant boost in pay. They basically asked me to write down what I would need to come over.  I've worked with this entity so actually know a lot of people there. The place is a bit unsettled as they are going through a leadership changeover (I would be part of that changeover) but its still government so isn't going anywhere. Didn't even apply for this, they came after me.  It's really fucking with my head as I've basically had to scratch and claw to get my previous jobs.  I basically like where I am at with a few annoyances. No clue what to do.

[apocrypha]

Use the offer as leverage to get a pay bump etc in your current job?

[Chimpy]

Use the offer as leverage to get a pay bump etc in your current job?

It is harder to do that in government jobs than in the private sector. Especially in the climate of "lazy people mooching my tax dollars" which is rampant in many places.

Less hours and more pay seems like a win. Though them being in flux and headhunting you does sound almost like a desperation move on their part. Do you have to decide before your vacation to Australia?

[Yegolev]

I don't see a downside.  Unless you are withholding something, I say do it.

[Sky]

Especially in the climate of "lazy people mooching my tax dollars" which is rampant in many places.

So much fun hearing this in the library.

From people who you are helping.

Who don't have or want jobs.

[Yegolev]

If they don't have jobs, which tax dollars are they talking about?

Not Trump's apparently.

[Teleku]

Use the offer as leverage to get a pay bump etc in your current job?

It is harder to do that in government jobs than in the private sector. Especially in the climate of "lazy people mooching my tax dollars" which is rampant in many places.

Less hours and more pay seems like a win. Though them being in flux and headhunting you does sound almost like a desperation move on their part. Do you have to decide before your vacation to Australia?

Yeah, at least at the federal level, we are on a pay grade system.  Nobody can give me a raise for some random reason.  I have to make exactly what my pay grade and in grade step is (which then goes up if I get promoted that year).

[Sky]

If they don't have jobs, which tax dollars are they talking about?

Exactly. But it does jibe with my 3S theory (People are Selfish, Short-sighted, and Stupid).

[Father mike]

If they don't have jobs, which tax dollars are they talking about?

Alcohol and tobacco are taxed quite heavily, thankyouverymush.

[Miguel]

So I've found myself in a position I have never been in my entire life.  I have a job offer to switch employers to do similar work but more on my own than the office I have now (be basically solo rather than part of a medium sized group of lawyers). Fewer hours, a fairly significant boost in pay. They basically asked me to write down what I would need to come over.  I've worked with this entity so actually know a lot of people there. The place is a bit unsettled as they are going through a leadership changeover (I would be part of that changeover) but its still government so isn't going anywhere. Didn't even apply for this, they came after me.  It's really fucking with my head as I've basically had to scratch and claw to get my previous jobs.  I basically like where I am at with a few annoyances. No clue what to do.

A previous VP once told me "Never limit your ask by what you think you can get.". They asked you to write down what you need, so write it down and see what they say. 

[Abagadro]

That's good advice. My current boss, who is my friend and super cool, literally rubbed her hands together and said "think about what we could come up with to ask for!"  That's what is making it tough. I'm in a pretty good spot and am inherently conservative in my life decisions, so I'm not one to chase after stuff when I have a good status quo.  The whole thing is really challenging me on how I see myself and what my comfort zone is for risk.  If it was a slam dunk either way it would be so much easier and I was mentally preparing to humor them and then decline but when they basically asked me to write my own deal (within reason of course) it has really thrown me.

[schild]

Then dont write something within reason. Pick the number that wouldnt make it a decision. Everyone has a number.

[Khaldun]

The only thing that might give me pause is the "pretty much on my own" thing. First, because that's good for some people and bad for others--it really depends on much of a social world you need/want in your working life. (Which also often depends on whether the people you're working with are people you like or not.) Second, because I think in some lines of business/professional life, being in a unit by yourself produces a certain vulnerability--if there's ever a need to cut back, it's often easier to cut the person that no one has strong social ties with, even if they're doing important work that's valued by the overall organization.

[Abagadro]

Oh shit! Threw out a high number and they said "Sounds good!"   Trying to find a reason to say no and having a hard time. I'll check in after I accept and it all goes to hell. 

[Samprimary]

I have an amazing job at a place I really like now. Appropriately, I'm going through the "my tools don't work" phase and idly poking around seeing where I can help but not being very useful yet. Today, I'm looking to be tits-on-bull useless because I lost some admin functions. Oh well! There's always this afternoon.

[Teleku]

Oh shit! Threw out a high number and they said "Sounds good!"   Trying to find a reason to say no and having a hard time. I'll check in after I accept and it all goes to hell. 

Obviously not high enough man.  Money left on the table!   

Congrats though!