War

[LC]

Endie:

So, let me get this straight.

Coalition brought pretty much everything, including temp nap with MC and still you claim it was BoB who caused the lag and (intentionally) crashed the node.

Does that make any goddamn sense to you (or anyone)? :p

Same old story:



Nobody ever wants to admit when their side is wrong.

[jape]

Nobody ever wants to admit when their side is wrong.

Yup, seems like it.

Luckily i dont have a side so i can mock pretty much anyone 

[Endie]

Well, to put it in language you Bob types like, we're "making you play our game". 

Who's [sic] game was being played in 49-U tonight anyway?

Ours.  We made you log on everyone you could to defend.  We made you resort to the "lagsploits" you spent years accusing us of indulging in in order to save your precious leader from the distinction of being the only pilot so bad as to lose two titans.

As quite a few of us said on COAD in reply to Molly's shallow attempt at bluster in reply, we were still there.  We logged back in.  He was welcome to prove just how much better he was by logging back in as well when the node came back up at once.

Anyway, as regards the rest of your post, your reading comprehension is as bad as your posting (which, by way of clarification, is pretty awful).  I said the real fault was with CCP, who decided to let the node crash rather than limiting it like they did with the cap shipyards.  I have no doubt (in the clear light of dawn) that it was incompetence on their part, rather than planning, but the effect is the same.

Still, when it was just IAC and GF at first it was nice to have molly tackled, to make him and his alliance dance to our tune, to show that within the game, we are better and stronger than our enemy, who need to resort to crashing nodes to save their stuff.  I had fun, I killed stuff, and although (I somewhat dissapointingly) didn't either die or kill a titan, I knew that we could have done the latter.

As regards not admitting mistakes, that has always been the difference between us, LC.  I freely admit that we should have somehow said "no" to some of the latecomers.  As it was, we (Russians and us) were trying to reduce lag by not letting frigates, destroyers, cruisers and others from coming into the system (they were told to wait on the gates), by suiciding pods, popping wrecks and pulling drones and so on.  When we deployed caps, either RA or ourselves had enough firepower to take down molly.  Personally, I believe that we should have tried to ask Daisho, Iron, MC and UNL to stay outside the system too, perhaps as reinforcements, but I imagine that they would have told us to get stuffed.  Everyone knew that (if the node held) el molle was going down, and who doesn't want an 80-billion ISK ship on their oh-so-precious killboard stats? 

[Sparky]

Crashed cyno'ing in

It'll be interesting to see if Shrike continues to use his ship recklessly after being saved by server serendipity and an overenthusiastic coalition response (which hopefully won't be repeated).

[LC]

The biggest change I would like to see is a limitation on how many people can jump in per cyno. Make it so that each ship jumping through burns like 100 liquid ozone with max skills.


P.S. I don't think you achieved your objective last night if it was to demoralize bob. They seem to be very jolly today while celebrating yesterday's kills.

[Sir T]

One thing that should be remembered is that all this began with IAC and GF utterly hammering a BOB fleet in rr- and 4-O, and chasing them into 49- where The Master Stratagist fucked over his usual tactics by doomsdaying his sides own fighters. With the result that multiple heavy interdictors were able to sit there eating multiple doomsdays and going "And?" SO claims that this somehow validates the skill of the average BOB pilot is moonshine, as basically without the great buttplug, yesterday was an utter humiliation for BOB (as it is IAC was actually positive in kills for yesterday. Imagine that!) I seriously don't see why other people in BOB would be so happy with the kills provided by Shrikes DDing Exactly on the hour, with instant damage on the hour while everyone else took 15 minutes to even even lock. At least not without some scary personality cult going. In other words replace Shrikes "we are better than you with "I am better than you" and you might  have a more accurate glance at his true attitude.

Also it wasn't just the Russians and GF that were trying to stabilise the node. IAC FC ordered everyone that could not tank a doomsday and wasn't an interdictor to CTRL-Q.

Anyway sod it. We will get him next time. And I'm not surprised the BOB is jolly as any kind of victory for them is rare at this point.

And first post. Yey.

[Edit]And in some revenge, and for those that care, BOB lost 2 Carriers in 49-u this morning.

[Endie]

If you are wondering why this thread has gone quiet, it's not because of lack of progress. Our plan was to gradually, slowly grind away at stuff in the way that is least fun possible for our victims, and that's how it is working out.  The exceptions being the Shrike fight (ooooh, so close) and a dumb meeting engagament which spiralled out of control and saw goons do what they always promise they'll stop doing and jump into a gatecamp,in what we knew was a suicidal bid to help our French comrades.  Ah well.

MC seem to be finding out that, just because those cute little lol T1 goons can do it doesn't mean it's easy to fight Bob, and seem kinda stalemated for now.  Their workrate has not been impressive.  It's hard to believe they can continue operating so ineffectively, however.

Anyway, we're grinding away at Bob at a fairly awesome operational tempo that is hard to counter effectively.  For instance, the last 24 hour period has seen us blow up one POS every two hours on average, nine of them larges.  Smaller gangs take out moon-mining chains.  They come out around the clock.  Of course, this means a lot of fleets fitted for POS shooting are out and about a lot of the time, and Robert will presumably catch some at some point, doubtless with hilarious consequences.  But we're settled in for the long haul.  Each time we blow up even a small moon mining pos you can catch a delicious whiff of the lost billions per month.

[amiable]

Thanks for the update, I was wondering about the radio silence....  I figured BoB finally realized that after posting their absurd "our plan was to lose all along  " meme that they would do better for their own internal morale to STFU.

[Simond]

What I don't get about the whole "Exactly as planned" thing is if that was the case then why are BoB suddenly unlocking their T2 BPOs from Delve stations and shutting down their capital shipyards?

[LC]

Anyway, we're grinding away at Bob at a fairly awesome operational tempo that is hard to counter effectively.  For instance, the last 24 hour period has seen us blow up one POS every two hours on average, nine of them larges.  Smaller gangs take out moon-mining chains.  They come out around the clock.  Of course, this means a lot of fleets fitted for POS shooting are out and about a lot of the time, and Robert will presumably catch some at some point, doubtless with hilarious consequences.  But we're settled in for the long haul.  Each time we blow up even a small moon mining pos you can catch a delicious whiff of the lost billions per month.

Hurry up and blow up my POS please.

[Arthur_Parker]

It might help if you give it's location.

[LC]

It might help if you give it's location.

That might look bad. Lets just say it's close to NOL.

[Endie]

What I don't get about the whole "Exactly as planned" thing is if that was the case then why are BoB suddenly unlocking their T2 BPOs from Delve stations and shutting down their capital shipyards?

No, seriously, dude: Molly showed them plans for the T2 blueprints being evacuated in a pot-luck dinner in 96, complete with venn diagrams, and the plans for their shutting down of their own capital construction go back to a bar-mitzvah in 95 where they were demonstrated with pie charts and scattergrams.  You're being played like a fool.  Dance, puppet, dance!

Description of ongoing POSocide.

Hurry up and blow up my POS please.

Love to move you up the order a bit, but I suspect you need to move me a few steps down the org chart, dude.

[Simond]

Love to move you up the order a bit, but I suspect you need to move me a few steps down the org chart, dude.

Just put a slosh/newbie/suicide op together. Who knows, you might end up with Shrike trying to kamikaze his second titan...again.

[Kamen]

MC seem to be finding out that, just because those cute little lol T1 goons can do it doesn't mean it's easy to fight Bob, and seem kinda stalemated for now.  Their workrate has not been impressive.  It's hard to believe they can continue operating so ineffectively, however.

I've heard reports of their grunts being a bit lethargic lately also.  Fear of asset loss?  Quiet before the storm?  Or perhaps a reluctance to duke it out with old friends?

[LC]

I have always wondered why I am always broke, and the rest of BoB is able to PVP continuously. I know they can't all just be rich t2 bpo owners, and Evolution is the only corp handing out free ships. I finally realized how they do it after combing my irc logs today. They are selling ETCs to fund their ships. I should have realized that earlier, but I didn't for some reason. I just can't see myself paying $80+ a week to play eve though.

[JoeTF]

Some of us are new to BoB, but that didn't stopped us from developing extensive network of empire-money-whoring alts quite a while ago.  And no Endie, you're not getting the list.
Also, the trick is not to loose to much, we aren't goons, ya know;-)

[LC]

Some of us are new to BoB, but that didn't stopped us from developing extensive network of empire-money-whoring alts quite a while ago.  And no Endie, you're not getting the list.
Also, the trick is not to loose to much, we aren't goons, ya know;-)

That may be true for some, but there are still a lot of guys funding themselves with etcs. I have an alt in empire that is able to make t2 ships, but I don't make a huge amount of profit from it.

[Endie]

Some of us are new to BoB, but that didn't stopped us from developing extensive network of empire-money-whoring alts quite a while ago.  And no Endie, you're not getting the list.
Also, the trick is not to loose to much, we aren't goons, ya know;-)

Yeah, I have an alt who does BPO research and production, and a bunch of datacore alts whose income is now declining but who have made me plenty'o'cash in the last year or so.  I totally lack the willpower to do moon mining, despite us having plenty available.  Fuelling one (or sometimes two) smalls is way more than enough for me.

But I lose less ships than I might, thanks to being eurosquad.  Since I play in you lot's primetime I spend virtually all of my time on fleet ops holding at a POS til the numbers shift to something more feasible, while you sit on a neighbouring gate hoping we get bored and jump in anyway (which still occasionally happens).  And when we do fight, I am in a sniper these days, and have not yet lost one in a fleet fight (I've lost one when i was given a terrible warp-in to the wrong POS by that useless spying fucker appleboy.. there was me in an untanked BS and 200 Bob  )

Mainly my targets don't move and have millions of hitpoints    And I have shot an infinity of POSes, so I am really good at not getting blown up by them.  I have killed something like the same value of moving targets in the last two weeks on one of my alts (about 3.5 billion) than on my main in a year.

[Trouble]

I don't suppose Goonswarm is leasing out access to any of those moons eh?

[Teleku]

Actually, I was curious, how are you guys working out the spoils of war?  I know Goonswarm has been doing alot of heavy hitting in the south, but I notice its a huge patchwork of alliances: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg   

Once its all said and done, how do you work out who gets what land?  Seems to be a quilt of alliances, and its Goonswarm doesn't have any territory on the front lines now.  How are you going to divide Delve and other areas?

[Fordel]

Jump bridges make having continuous space not as important anymore, so it isn't as haphazard as it would first look.

[LC]

So how many POSes have been destroyed recently? Mine is still there unfortunately.

[dingusxavier]

Hi, I'm just registering to say that LC has the most annoying avatar I have ever had the displeasure of seeing and it makes me want to stab him repeatedly with a plastic fork.

That is all.

[schild]

Ok. That was funny.

[LC]

Hi, I'm just registering to say that LC has the most annoying avatar I have ever had the displeasure of seeing and it makes me want to stab him repeatedly with a plastic fork.

That is all.

Thanks.

[Xerapis]

That could have been amazing, if he/she/it just chose a spork instead.

[LC]

Why you don't see any news from the goons, or what the goons don't want you to know.

I highlighted my favorite parts. It's not perfect, but it is readable.

[Merusk]

I'm not going anywhere near a link to 'exploiter.org'

How about sharing instead.

[LC]

I'm not going anywhere near a link to 'exploiter.org'

How about sharing instead.

Too long to paste. I run 'exploiter.org' or whats left of it. If you don't trust me then don't read it. I don't really care. I just thought it would be fun to post some BoB "forum porn" for once.

[Endie]

Um, you do know that every single thread on goonfleet is always like that, don't you?  I can only assume that you got that from someone else because if you were actually one of the bazillion spies reading our forums you'd see that they are a non-stop cauldron of bubbling hatred, spiced with blamecasting and seasoned with furious recriminations.

Really, it's what we do.  In fact, I'd say that's on the mild side, since it is a Serious Business thread.

I said on here, weeks ago that there would be a looong process involved in taking Delve, with pos-shooting-fitted fleets being lost (like last night) in between big wins (two nights ago).  I don't mind, and there is some stuff cmoing up that i am looking forward to.

Most of us want to kill Bob.  A few people have always wanted us just to go back to Syndicate and ride bikes.  There are other opinions in betweeen and what you see there is just how goons constantly bicker over that.  Even killing Shrike only implemented an intra-goon ceasefire of a few hours.

Really, think of the orcs in warhammer.  Imagine their camp.  That's goonfleet.com.

[cevik]

How about sharing instead.

GF Leadership:  "Lets play the game in the most bland way possible and bore our opponents to death.. BEST IDEA EVAR!"
GF Pilots:  "I'm bored, I'm going to surf porn instead of fight"
LC: "HAHAH BOB R GONNA WIN"

I think that pretty much summed up the link.

[LC]

GF Leadership:  "Lets play the game in the most bland way possible and bore our opponents to death.. BEST IDEA EVAR!"
GF Pilots:  "I'm bored, I'm going to surf porn instead of fight"
LC: "HAHAH BOB R GONNA WIN"

I think that pretty much summed up the link.

That was a very nice summary.



Today is my last day in BoB. Most of my friends left a long time ago, and I haven't really been active since September anyway.

Just FYI

[Simond]

Um, you do know that every single thread on goonfleet is always like that, don't you?

Spy.

Get out.

[Moosehands]

Clicked link, saw BobFromMarketing post, stopped reading.