War

[Simond]

ETA on a "We have been hired by M.Pire to assist them in maintaining stability in their territory" announcement by MC? :)

This following on the heels of the "BoB aren't listening to us and they need to sort themselves out ASAP" chat leaks could be...interesting.

[Kamen]

BoB seems to have fallen into the trap of believing that superior tactics and discipline win wars.  They don't.  When all other factors are equal, they can win battles time after time and lead to winning wars.  But all other factors are rarely equal.  Tactics win engagements, strategies win campaigns, but logistics win wars.  The extreme south is logistically over-stretched for BoB, something they used to make up for with Titan taxi service.  But they don't seem to be moving into the next phase of JB-centered logistics in any kind of planned way, only placing a handful of JB pairs where they cut large numbers of jumps rather than systematic end-to-end chains.  It's worth placing JB's that do not cut *any* jumps from a route, strictly to allow for easy hauler support of the front without every POS fuel or market run turning into a minor op or potential setback.

--Dave

Can you imagine what might have been if BoB et al and Ascendant Frontier had teamed up and worked together? 

[Endie]

Booyah, MC/Bob steamroller.  How'd'ya like them apples?

Edit: for explanation, MC just lost another supercapital in their triumphant march through Catch.  That would be the titan they only had for a few weeks.  I think this should show the killmail, but it's getting hit so hard right now I've not had it open yet.

Just when you think a week can't get any better, it takes a turn for the awesome.

Interestingly, the Bob members in the Eve-Online thread seem surprisingly unsympathetic.  Give the last lot of forum porn we released (and that most have read by now) they should be trolling Seleene about fighting in 2007, not 2006.  At least Bob manage to keep most of their titans alive (at the cost of capitals).
 

Originally Posted by Thulsa Doom is Down
By: Seleene



He was cloaked 24 AU from anything.

He was not in gang.

Two ships warped in about 12k off of me. Then a couple more. I got decloaked. Set off DD to pop bubbles and everything. STill got bumped and lagged. Never saw a friendly on grid. They never loaded.

I wish I could apologize, but I do not know how this happened.

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If I had to guess I'd say they managed to scan you down after logging in before you cloaked.

At least we had the balls to use it.

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Was it an old safe spot?

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Fucking lag, ruins everything. My client has been lagged out for 25 minutes, i dont even know if im still alive.

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No worries, we'll build another .

Can I ask no one posts on coad, that includes you Sel . Explanations no matter how straight forward and simple will be taken as excuses and just used as more ammunition against us. Ignore the eve-o forums completely as they celebrate and concentrate in game on making them regret it.

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Sorry Sel :-(

Possibly useless info >>>

Pilots who had Mic Muted at time of Thulsa downing = BNC >Ria Satori / EVOL > TWD / FINFL > Ann Ripley / FIX > Paladyn

BoB is waaaay too lax about this on their TS IMHO. It wont solve spies but at least lets not make it easy for them :-(


Hugs Sel.

Loomi *_*

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Must have been one hell of a scan. Hurts to lose it that way, but not much that can be done about it. Lag and the state of the game affects the expensive toys much more significantly than anything else.

Looks like we'll have to do the freighter ops in the traditional way again.

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well this is gonna boost the moral of them like a MF =/

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Don't apologize Sel, there was nothing you could've done and trying to think you could is pointless.

We'll build another

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Sel theres no need to apologise to us or anyone else you didn't lose it to some silly act you had the balls to use it which means alot.

Plus looking at BOBs killboard RA/AAA may have killed our titan but so far lost 5 dreads and 3 carriers in the process now if we lose our titan but they lose their cap fleet for a few days killing those POS is gonna be alot easy so lets not get down lets go take FAT people!!!

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I agree with Zak, its probably that you were scanned down last logoff, and they camped Thulsa logging in L

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By the way, don't read COAD. I just made the mistake of looking, and nowI want to kill at least 2 dozen people from the EVE community.

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Now let's GET FAT!!!!

From now on when we enter in a fight we'll scream: FOR THULSAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!


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Looks like a scan before cloaking or on logoff, ET's comment about being more paranoid supports this so meh, move on.

We'll build another.

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Fight still ongoing, it seems?

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Meh, it's just a Titan" to quote bsspewers sig. Next one we get even more paranoid and have tens of safespots for it to warp to. My guess is they probed the SS out yesterday when you logged off. It happens, I'm sure no one blames you.

It wasn't like the Titan was the spearhead of our fleet anyway. It just made things a lot easier. We'll improve for next time.

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is this the part when we show our anger buy building a duzin of them ? liek we did with the moms first we had one then every one whanted one

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If that safespot was probed on logoff, it must have been by pilot with implants, full rigs and maxed skills that pressed Analyze EXACTLY as Sel logged off.......

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Dunno last capital went down 25mins ago making it 5 dreads and 4 carriers at least not sure other than Thulsa if our side lost anything capital size.

Question is do we have the people to take these POS out and cause IAC to lose Sov in the next few days? If thats possible then Thulsa dying may have been unfortunate but least he didn't go down in vain

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No worries Sel, we'll make another

Note on probes, I'm kicking myself for not mentioning this sooner, even the observators will catch a supercap at 0m deviation.

You basically have 30 seconds if you are a high priority target to cloak, no matter how far you are out. Always align in deep safes, just in case, that way you move off of where they think you are. Hindsight is always 20/20 of course, I don't think there was much you could have done short of starting a major fight at the safespot.

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Maybe better to just make use of a POS like Natalie. I have to admit I am shocked, I did not see this coming

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Yeah I've been logging in the POS rather then a safe since I managed to probe myself with an observer on a log in last week, and mines over 100 AUs out... Main downside is the enemy can take out the guns and bubble the tower while you are logged off, when you log in you're fucked...

CCP's pretty much nerfed super caps to the point of extreme vulnerability now :/ Still going to fly mine like a maniac probably tho, I don't think I could handle walking on eggshells...

[Endie]

Oh, this one deserves a post of its own.

With the compliments of the Mittani, Bob abandon their remaining loyal Feythabolis pets (there's no "faith" in Feythabolis, after all).

Regroup 25s all ships all corps, by Coranor of BoB
The dog that chases two rabbits catches none.

The last month or so we've been trying to take catch while defending feyth. I'm sure you all see the reasons why we needed to defend feyth, but trying to do attack in one area and defend in another area 50 jumps away simply isn't working.

Everyone and their grandmother's cats are to regroup in 25s. We're gonna finish off catch and iac. 1 target at a time. 1 region at a time.

We kill iac then we can pick a new target to chase.

This is what Bob do to the pets that stick by them.  At least they all know that we told them the truth when we said that (a) they are disposable in Bob's eyes and (b) the internal mails about moving to Catch and making the Feyth residents stand alone were true.  Impressive disloyalty when cornered.

Lol greater bob "community"...

[Drogo]

I doubt the titan loss will be enough to push MC out of the war, but a few more setbacks or supercapital losses and MC might just start looking for that contract with MPire. If MC did decide to pull out of the fight it would pretty interesting to see how long it took for failure cascade to set in and all of BoB's pets started to flee or try to cut deals with the Coalition. BoB is losing the war, but without MC they have lost it.

[Drogo]

Oh, this one deserves a post of its own.

With the compliments of the Mittani, Bob abandon their remaining loyal Feythabolis pets (there's no "faith" in Feythabolis, after all).

Regroup 25s all ships all corps, by Coranor of BoB
The dog that chases two rabbits catches none.

The last month or so we've been trying to take catch while defending feyth. I'm sure you all see the reasons why we needed to defend feyth, but trying to do attack in one area and defend in another area 50 jumps away simply isn't working.

Everyone and their grandmother's cats are to regroup in 25s. We're gonna finish off catch and iac. 1 target at a time. 1 region at a time.

We kill iac then we can pick a new target to chase.

This is what Bob do to the pets that stick by them.  At least they all know that we told them the truth when we said that (a) they are disposable in Bob's eyes and (b) the internal mails about moving to Catch and making the Feyth residents stand alone were true.  Impressive disloyalty when cornered.

Lol greater bob "community"...

I am curious what RSF is planning to do with all of Feyth once they take it. I am sure RSF does not want to have to fuel POSes throughout the whole region? For instance has any move been made to invite alliances from Drone Regions to come and reap the spoils such as inviting IRON, IRC or FREGE to pack up everything and come down to claim all of this soon to be free real estate. Or is RSF just going to divide the duty amongst itself like how TCF, UNL and Venom split Omist up? Once again Endie I realize you are just a grunt and not in on director decisions, but I am just curious if there has been any general talk about what will be done?

[Endie]

I am curious what RSF is planning to do with all of Feyth once they take it. I am sure RSF does not want to have to fuel POSes throughout the whole region? For instance has any move been made to invite alliances from Drone Regions to come and reap the spoils such as inviting IRON, IRC or FREGE to pack up everything and come down to claim all of this soon to be free real estate. Or is RSF just going to divide the duty amongst itself like how TCF, UNL and Venom split Omist up? Once again Endie I realize you are just a grunt and not in on director decisions, but I am just curious if there has been any general talk about what will be done?

I haven't even the slightest clue.  I'm sure that RIT is earmarked for somebody.  Popular opinion amongst us rabble is that it should be made some version of NPSI: Not Purple Shoot It.  Purple being the colour tag for people in your own gang.

In more seriousness, I haven't seem the slightest suggestion of who will actually get all this sweet space.  I back the idea of giving some of it back to Cyvok, myself, but I am a really shitty goon.  I just like the idea of how it would annoy Bob to see him back in place and them dying, when for a while they thought they were the winners.  Probably won't happen, though.

[Fordel]

My guess, (as an outsider with no ties to anyone) is it will be a giant cluster fuck for a long time. The Goons and friends will do just enough to keep any supply station/lines they need and to keep it out of the hands of BoB+Friends, but otherwise, no one will have any real claim to it for at least another 3-6 months.


There just aren't that many 'competent' 0.0'ers left to fill the space really... and the empire folks aren't going to move on down into the largest war in EVE history, especially when it is obvious pets are disposable to their landlords.

[Ratadm]

I doubt the titan loss will be enough to push MC out of the war, but a few more setbacks or supercapital losses and MC might just start looking for that contract with MPire. If MC did decide to pull out of the fight it would pretty interesting to see how long it took for failure cascade to set in and all of BoB's pets started to flee or try to cut deals with the Coalition. BoB is losing the war, but without MC they have lost it.

Hopefully there wont be an Mpire with space for much longer.  Invasion just started today.

[Drogo]

I would love to see Cyvok come back to control Feyth from a sentimental point of view, but I do not see it happening.

That is why I was wondering if any offers had been made to other alliances. I could see not wanting to bring in alliances from NPC regions because of their inexperience. BRUCE, as an example, might be large enough to claim territory, but I have no idea of their ability to hold territory or fuel POSes. That is why I was thinking of the drone region alliances. Many of them were alliances that have held decent territory in 0.0 before and therefore know how to at least time stront and keep POSes running. I have heard the drone regions have terrible resources and rats so it would seem at least some of them would be amiable to the idea of ditching their current home for a better one in Feyth. It would also add additional forces that could be thrown against BoB since they would now be next door to the GBC and not dozens of jumps away. Not that RSF need reinforcements, but every bit helps and it will take an awful lot of POSes being fueled for RSF to make it all the way the Delve eventually. So I was just doing the armchair leadership today and trying to think of who could come in and help fill the gaps so that all of the POS management was not forced on RSF. Even if BoB was to fall back to Delve today, there are a ton of POSes that would need to be set up, so I was trying to get a big picture view of the how the influence map might look in six to eight months.

I was also wondering if any of the RSF alliances would eventually pull up stakes and move to areas like Delve or Period Basis and abandon their old territory? I did not venture into 0.0 in my EvE days so I have no idea how much better one area is than another, but from my understanding BoB's home area is supposed to be the best. Correct me if I am wrong. Once again, I do not expect any real answers to this I am just thinking out loud.

On a side not I am a history teacher and my major interest in EvE is just to observe how wars in the game develop and how different alliances rise and fall. I admit that I favor RSF in the current war, but I will continue to watch EvE evolve no matters who wins. I just like watching the dynamics of total war played out in a human controlled computer simulation. I actually enjoy the northern war just as much as the southern conflict. I wish F13 had more posters from Tri, MPire and Razor. Tri in my opinion is the biggest wild card in EvE. They could change the shape of the northern or southern war if either side paid them enough ISK to get serious in one of those wars. Unfortunately for the alliance, I think they are more interested in fun PvP than they are in any war.

[Ratadm]

I actually enjoy the northern war just as much as the southern conflict. I wish F13 had more posters from Tri, MPire and Razor. Tri in my opinion is the biggest wild card in EvE. They could change the shape of the northern or southern war if either side paid them enough ISK to get serious in one of those wars. Unfortunately for the alliance, I think they are more interested in fun PvP than they are in any war.

The Northern war up until today was kind of boring sense Fallen Souls fell.  MM/RZR and co had mostly been doing minor hits on random industrial poses not inside station systems.  We had had reasonable success taking them down with their us timezone presence  being rather anemic. Today we again started another invasion of BKG the M.Pire home system.  I wasn't around for the earlier stuff that happened but right mostly their pos hugging or docked it seems like.  I think the minmitar control tower remains to be the most dangerous member of mpire.

[Raging Turtle]

Somebody mind filling me in on the M. Pire situation?  I keep hearing about them but don't really know who/where they are, or who's invading.

[Slayerik]

On a side not I am a history teacher and my major interest in EvE is just to observe how wars in the game develop and how different alliances rise and fall. I admit that I favor RSF in the current war, but I will continue to watch EvE evolve no matters who wins. I just like watching the dynamics of total war played out in a human controlled computer simulation. I actually enjoy the northern war just as much as the southern conflict. I wish F13 had more posters from Tri, MPire and Razor. Tri in my opinion is the biggest wild card in EvE. They could change the shape of the northern or southern war if either side paid them enough ISK to get serious in one of those wars. Unfortunately for the alliance, I think they are more interested in fun PvP than they are in any war.

As a TRI guy, I must admit we love our roaming gank. Lately though, the alliance has slowly been growing and we can put up a pretty fearsome fleet. We follow the same rules of flying the best ships and fitting them T2.

Part of whats funny is, after about 24 hours of fighting most alliances so  far they just tuck tail and run. We have the ability to run 24 hr harassment gangs (nano-fag gangs) with our spread of time zones. I think the biggest barrier to most wars is our reluctance to set anyone blue. Guys in my corp get fuckin pissed about not being able to hunt Razor / MM, even for 24 hours. Razor / MM/ Tri have a strange relationship...its like having sparring partner next door that stops by uninvited and punches you in the face a few times. A couple hours later you do the same to them.

[Ratadm]

Somebody mind filling me in on the M. Pire situation?  I keep hearing about them but don't really know who/where they are, or who's invading.

Mpire main corps that I know of are Mcorp an old LV corp that bailed on LV early on in their loss to GS.  They also have STK Scientific a corp that i believe came from ASCN and later moved to drone regions before coming up north.  There are a few other corps as well such as Quam Singulari an old LV and then Anarachy Empire member. The Silent Rage I think is a new member that used to be in Roadkill.   Along with some other corps I've never heard of.  Mpire is allied with Fatal Alliance and COW.

Attacking Mpire's station in BKG is a whole host of alliances.  Razor alliance, Morsus Mihi, Mostly Harmless (d2 splinter group I believe), some Pure, Roadkill, Smash, Stellar Pollar, Iron, and other Drone Regions are there was well.  Although I will say I think it's mostly Razor and MM right now.

[Trouble]

I don't suppose anyone has any suggestions on how an uninvolved third party trader can profit off this war?  :-D

[Ratadm]

Supply motherships to people who manage to lose them ratting in tribute while the rest of alliance is in Branch? (MM just lost a nyx ratting in tribute to a tri gang).

[Ratadm]

MPire Surrenders to north.

[Slayerik]

Supply motherships to people who manage to lose them ratting in tribute while the rest of alliance is in Branch? (MM just lost a nyx ratting in tribute to a tri gang).

http://www.eve-triumvirate.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=61026

And a thanatos to boot.

Shiva is normally a very tough PVP corp to fight against, im sure this guy is hating life.

[Ratadm]

Supply motherships to people who manage to lose them ratting in tribute while the rest of alliance is in Branch? (MM just lost a nyx ratting in tribute to a tri gang).

http://www.eve-triumvirate.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=61026

And a thanatos to boot.

Shiva is normally a very tough PVP corp to fight against, im sure this guy is hating life.

The thanny wasn't really that bad he was just trying to help the nyx.

Also Rumblings of cow and Fatal leadership surrendering.  Fatal may soon have the honor of being quickest alliance to lose a station from time it was errected to time it was taken.

[Slayerik]

Supply motherships to people who manage to lose them ratting in tribute while the rest of alliance is in Branch? (MM just lost a nyx ratting in tribute to a tri gang).

http://www.eve-triumvirate.com/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=61026

And a thanatos to boot.

Shiva is normally a very tough PVP corp to fight against, im sure this guy is hating life.

The thanny wasn't really that bad he was just trying to help the nyx.

Also Rumblings of cow and Fatal leadership surrendering.  Fatal may soon have the honor of being quickest alliance to lose a station from time it was errected to time it was taken.

Last time FATAL got their asses kicked it was the fuckin drone regions. These guys go around taking it in the ass all over the universe. Back then MC stopped by to bail em out (then were pulled out for the start of the Great Southern War), and that LV old titan DD'ed some shit, but that was about all the help the BoB pets got then and now.

And agreed, props to the thanny for BRINGING IT :) Did you look at the Nyx's fitting.... LOL

[Ratadm]

Last time FATAL got their asses kicked it was the fuckin drone regions. These guys go around taking it in the ass all over the universe. Back then MC stopped by to bail em out (then were pulled out for the start of the Great Southern War), and that LV old titan DD'ed some shit, but that was about all the help the BoB pets got then and now.

And agreed, props to the thanny for BRINGING IT :) Did you look at the Nyx's fitting.... LOL

Mining link and named cpr ftw 

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=604699&page=2#60 pretty much sums it up.

[Drogo]

Well so much for the northern war. I did not expect failure cascade to set in that quick, I thought that they would last a few more months. Now the question is will Tri and the Old North go head to head or will they head back down south to say hello to BoB and friends. It will also be interesting to see if the corps from the three defeated alliances head down south also to join the GBC or if they lick their wounds in Empire for awhile. If they join BoB that is a lot of pilots to add to the fight.

[Ratadm]

Well so much for the northern war. I did not expect failure cascade to set in that quick, I thought that they would last a few more months. Now the question is will Tri and the Old North go head to head or will they head back down south to say hello to BoB and friends. It will also be interesting to see if the corps from the three defeated alliances head down south also to join the GBC or if they lick their wounds in Empire for awhile. If they join BoB that is a lot of pilots to add to the fight.

I suspect we'll rest a week or two and figure out logistics.  The north has a lot of stations we weren't exactly planning on owning this quick.  I don't see tri being the next target although I'm only a grunt and know probably as much as any decent forum whore.  They're decent neighbors they keep the carebears on their toes and don't let people do stupid shit like rat with a nyx and get away with it.  I see five possible things we could do after the new space is firmly held:: 1. Attack MC's outpost up north. 2. Attack Tri. 3. Attack Youwhat. 4. Fountain campaign of terror v2.0 5. Do nothing.  Of those I think 2 is the least likely and 1 or 4 is the most likely.

[Slayerik]

Being in TRI, and only being a grunt, I'd say I just dont see full scale war happening between MM/RZR and TRI.  There is just nothing to gain from MM/RZR attacking us. Want Dek? Gonna lose a lot of shit getting it. Then we just coast back into Venal and harass the fuck out of them for the next year. And if that happened we'd probably just coast into another region, and watch our opposion surrender after 24 hours 

I think we are pretty comfortable being neighbors, knowing that if a real threat comes that we will NAP for a day or two to kick the opposition's ass. Why risk losing a pocket fleet?

[JoeTF]

In other words, welcome to NAPCity :-D

[Arthur_Parker]

In other words, welcome to NAPCity :-D

I'd of thought BoB would be in favour of a stable POS situation in the north so you can ask YW to bail you out in the south.

[Endie]

Since people asked abuot the Eye of Terror. here are some of our propaganda shots:



and (no hot linking allowed of this one, so cut and paste into the browser bar)

http://img.waffleimages.com/5ef6877656fbfbfe1951723a3fd530035a34c529/Eyeofterrorposterlargec2e150p.jpg

[Drogo]

Slayerik, I did  not think that Razor and company would attack Tri. I think everyone in the north would prefer to let that sleeping giant lie after they way they dismantled Deklein. I was thinking more of Tri getting bored and starting a war with Razor. Or if Razor headed down south to mess with YW or attack BoB then Tri might attack the Northern Coalition to bring their targets back home. The way Razor and company attacked the New North when they went south to help BoB.

If the Northern coalition heads south and YW heads south, that does not leave Tri anyone to really fight. That is why I thought Tri would either join them and head south or attack them to keep them up north for some pvp fun. So the way I see it Tri either gets serious fighting YW to keep them there, serious fighting Northern Coalition to keep them there, head south for targets, or starts mining. I do not think the last is an option that Tri would consider. Time will tell, but Tri is still the wildcard that dictates what the northern alliances can do in my opinion and their decision could have an effect on the southern conflict.

On a side note to Ender, is there any ETA for when the Eye of Terror will be in business. I do not expect a specific day, just wondering if we are looking at a week, two weeks, a month, etc.

[Slayerik]

In other words, welcome to NAPCity :-D

Hehe, yeah something like that. ;)

[Slayerik]

Slayerik, I did  not think that Razor and company would attack Tri. I think everyone in the north would prefer to let that sleeping giant lie after they way they dismantled Deklein. I was thinking more of Tri getting bored and starting a war with Razor. Or if Razor headed down south to mess with YW or attack BoB then Tri might attack the Northern Coalition to bring their targets back home. The way Razor and company attacked the New North when they went south to help BoB.

If the Northern coalition heads south and YW heads south, that does not leave Tri anyone to really fight. That is why I thought Tri would either join them and head south or attack them to keep them up north for some pvp fun. So the way I see it Tri either gets serious fighting YW to keep them there, serious fighting Northern Coalition to keep them there, head south for targets, or starts mining. I do not think the last is an option that Tri would consider. Time will tell, but Tri is still the wildcard that dictates what the northern alliances can do in my opinion and their decision could have an effect on the southern conflict.

Youwhat were one of the very few alliances that were blue to TRI for a long time. That has changed. TRI has plenty of PVP targets currently, even if MM/RZR were to head south. YW/Smashkill/Drone region peeps/Combined Planetary Noobs/Pure/Insurgency/CI/etc could all still be roamed on. Lots of fun to be had up here.

[Ratadm]

Slayerik, I did  not think that Razor and company would attack Tri. I think everyone in the north would prefer to let that sleeping giant lie after they way they dismantled Deklein. I was thinking more of Tri getting bored and starting a war with Razor. Or if Razor headed down south to mess with YW or attack BoB then Tri might attack the Northern Coalition to bring their targets back home. The way Razor and company attacked the New North when they went south to help BoB.

If the Northern coalition heads south and YW heads south, that does not leave Tri anyone to really fight. That is why I thought Tri would either join them and head south or attack them to keep them up north for some pvp fun. So the way I see it Tri either gets serious fighting YW to keep them there, serious fighting Northern Coalition to keep them there, head south for targets, or starts mining. I do not think the last is an option that Tri would consider. Time will tell, but Tri is still the wildcard that dictates what the northern alliances can do in my opinion and their decision could have an effect on the southern conflict.

Youwhat were one of the very few alliances that were blue to TRI for a long time. That has changed. TRI has plenty of PVP targets currently, even if MM/RZR were to head south. YW/Smashkill/Drone region peeps/Combined Planetary Noobs/Pure/Insurgency/CI/etc could all still be roamed on. Lots of fun to be had up here.

I think our nyx loss also illustrates the point that even though most of us might go down south not everybody would necessarily be down there 

[JoeTF]

Endie:
Weird, cause I saw author posting that wallpaper on public forum without any mention of goons, propaganda nor eyes of terror (so cliche makes you cry).

http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eot19qu3.jpg


Also, so surprise they second one is for goon eyes only. Mummy, my eyes hurt:P

[5150]

Just some random replies to stuff on this page:

LOL @ MC Titan loss, I find it funny how MC seem to be taking it kinda personally in that leak - not exactly the unbiased mercs they claim to be....... (but we knew that already)

Fallen Souls merged with YouWhat, no idea why though but they didn't exactly 'fall'

IRON are crap at holding territory (in terms of POS warfare) I think they only had 1 tower per outpost system when they were in lower Deklein

[Endie]

Endie:
Weird, cause I saw author posting that wallpaper on public forum without any mention of goons, propaganda nor eyes of terror (so cliche makes you cry).

http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eot19qu3.jpg


Also, so surprise they second one is for goon eyes only. Mummy, my eyes hurt:P

OK, I don't really understand a word of what you're saying, but i suspect you're saying that you saw the picture posted elsewhere so it can't be to do with RISE, the Eye of Terror or goons, and that that was the best passive-aggressive trolling you could manage.  The painting is done freestyle, by goon propagandist Stahlregen (the guy who does all the videos) and it appeared first in his thread on the GF forums where he posted it saying it was about the eye of terror.  So I guess he would know.

But let's not underestimate the Bob side of the coin: your side of the war has some pretty awesome propaganda artists too, after all:

I mean, well done to this artist:



And let's not forget the guy who produced this masterpiece (which I reckon could yet turn the tide of opinion in the South):



I believe that the term is "contrast and compare".

PS you haven't said "well done you were right Endie, I was wrong, Corm lost their space before IAC even lost a station let alone lost their space and the other party (Rise) looks like making it a twofer..." yet.

[Fordel]

I was always a fan of all the various types of Bees in Goonfleet. I remember seeing a big picture showcasing them all, but I don't remember where.