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I am so dissappointed.

I am often out of the loop I guess so what am I missing?  The idea that all cloth will have the same model (and so on for chain, plate etc) is so bland it kills it for me.  I always looked forward to armor sets as the major eye candy / phat lewts of this game.

That aside, the models are awful - all of them!

It's enough to make me pack it in until the next content patch.  Or stick with my T8 gear and just get the non-visible gear from the new instance in  3.2.

Am I the only one dissapointed here?

It seems like heavy cost control at Blizzard.  Perhaps their talent is now working on their new MMORPG ?

I'll never get it.  So, I guess I can't be too disappointed. Heh.

Don't worry, we've got a few poopsockers here.  I'm sure they feel your pain.

Its not really cost control. The suits are different by faction instead of by class. That means 8 armor textures instead of 10, which is really not a big difference. The theme of this patch is very focused on the whole Alliance vs. Horde side of the tournament so I think it makes sense to split it that way.

The actual models themselves are another matter. Its like any other tier, some of them are good and some are bad. I like the Alliance mail the most, the leather armor is good, and so is the Horde plate. The Alliance plate is dumb, but I'm used to my warrior wearing ugly stuff anyway.  :oh_i_see:

I know we get busy with family and our professional lives I appreciate that.  But these days you can pug and clear a good portion of Ulduar 10 on a Friday night.  I am a casual player believe me.

Unless of course we drink.  Then there's not much clearing :P

Yup but I miss the logic.  If it were pvp gear that would make sense - since you see the other faction.

But for PVE stuff you are not going to see the other faction (unless the goal here is to make visiting your bank more interesting) - which are the set of models we are talking about here.

Maybe the logic is simply "Hey we've done this one way the last X times, let's switch it up for once!" I empathize with the general concern, however. Every weapon has been a visual downgrade since Armageddon.

Eh, all horde models look great, as do the ally mail and leather. The allly blue plate set (warrior?) is allright, while all of the ally cloth is atrocious.

Ahh, I forgot about the base being the tier and the heroic being the .5 of the tier.  I haven't had time to raid in months.  A night to game.. boy, that'd be something.

As for the armor itself, eh, it doesn't look too bad.  Alliance stuff looks a bit fruity, but the horde stuff looks like your typical tier set.

On the other hand, the S7 pvp sets look awesome.

I may eventually get some of this gear, it's pretty uninspiring I'll agree. Still, what can you do; hopefully the Icecrown stuff will be sweet.

Man, we cleared a lot doing a drunken Uld run.

Sadly, I don't remember what we cleared, or how much of it was us getting cleared.

I HATE the open helm look.

I like that the Horde stuff actually looks like Horde stuff and the Alliance stuff looks like Alliance stuff. I even like the plate for Alliance, I'm not sure why Ingmar is being a whiney ass about it.

I think the cloth is relatively in-theme for the whole northrend look, even though I think it's a little funny that stone appears to be a key ingredient at edging cloth.

I do like the plain/hooded look for casters. Beats my LOOK GLOWING ROCKS shoulders now.

I don't like the shoulders.

Which is different from the norm?

I think Blizzard got bored/tired of doing something brand new over and over again. This gear will be worn for probably 4 months max. Then the Icecrown patch will come down the pipeline, and everyone will get over the blander set pieces.

All the alliance stuff looks horrible, though. However, after wearing axes on my head and shoulders for over a year, nothing bothers me anymore.

At this point, I'm pretty much indifferent to how the goddamn armor looks.  I've been wearing those ridiculous winged paladin shoulders for months now, mostly because my love for aesthetics cannot overcome my inner min/maxer.   :oh_i_see:

So, assuming the Coliseum gear is an improvement over Ulduar, which isn't a given, I'll wear it.  That it's horde plate probably makes it a little easier on me.

The Alliance Leather has some major cleavage on the ladies.

This is pretty much why I haven't given a rat's ass.  Yeah it's all bland, ugly and horribly lazy.  It screams "This is an incremental patch until Icecrown, just to keep you assholes busy!"   That patch will (hopefully) come out before the end of the year or early next year.  

Plus, since I completely expect the Argent Crusade to aid the players in the Icecrown assault, I look at T9 as giving us uniforms for the battle.

The AC being a factor in IceCrown is a given, Tirion has the Ashbringer.


They ain't going to pass up a Chance to show off the Ashbringer after teasing people about it for four damn years.

I really emphathize with the challenge of an art team coming up with new stuff all the time.

I would be amazing if we could chose ANY model of the past for our class - and do some raids/quests and get it upgraded.  That would allow a good use of past artistic effort.  And fun )

Don't get the "appearance tab" people going again. That shit is never going to happen in WoW (barring them patching a sinking ship). For some reason they've made it very clear they don't want you to be a unique snowflake. The same goes with housing.

Go look at it again. There's a lot of fine detail. You may not like it, but calling it lazy is just wrong.

I would beg you to find 1 out of every 10 people who thinks this design is remotely cool. WATCH OUT FOR MY HIGHBEAMS, BITCHES!

EDIT: The funny thing is, if they had simplified the design, gotten rid of the stupid lights, lost the gigantic towering shit on the helm and the shoulders, and just used the same scheme, I would have liked the armor.

I'm not disputing the coolness or lack thereof. Shit, I already said I don't like the Alliance plate myself.

I agree with your earlier point that it's not lazy, but what does that say? That they are hard-working retards? Who really cares about the effort when the artistic result is terrible? The alliance plate and leather are just straight up ridiculous. The mail looks like they stumbled out of a bad Arabian Bazaar. I don't have a lot of problems with the cloth, but some people seem to hate it.

The Horde cloth looks cool. The plate is mediocre (it looks cool on a DK, but not much else), as is the mail. The leather is just too funky for me.

*Amor* sets? To the Deeprun Tram!  :oh_i_see:



But seriously, now you know why it takes them forever to release anything: if they release content in anything approaching a reasonable pace their entire art department forgets how to draw.

All that other stuff is really subjective, though. I mean, I really, really like the Alliance mail armor. IMO it is the best looking suit my shaman has ever had access to by far. It just boils down to "I know what I like" statements from everyone.

Looks awesome on the draenei male, tho.

That is indeed subjective. Classes sharing models is not.

Neither is different factions sharing the same model. Why is one OK and the other one a HUGE CRISIS? Oh, hello subjectivity.

Because you don't raid with the other faction, and they are also your class. It makes logical sense for one class to have the same armor across factions. It bothers the shit out of me that the guy who designed Alliance plate was obviously the same dude who's done all the shitty pally sets. Now we all look like shitty pallys. I don't think it's a good logical jump on the 9th set to suddenly decide OK NOW FACTIONS!

On the other hand, PvP sets should have stayed as faction specific.

I'm going to assume you are not retarded.

Cloth sets in every tier for five years: three.

Cloth sets for this tier: two with essentially one per faction

Repeat for plate.

There is less art in this patch than in any prior patch. My mage would no longer look just like every other mage but also every other warlock and priest.

Also lets say you're in a raid where you have 3 warriors, 2 DKs, and 3 pallys. A third of your raid now is indistinguishable, and as an added kick the teeth they look downright stupid.

Plate only started having 3 sets just recently, remember. And in a lot of the vanilla and early TBC patches, they had placeholder art actually go live quite frequently. There's slightly less art in this patch than in the other post-DK patches, yes. And 2/3 of the set armor has always been ugly or ridiculous looking.

This is the dumbest "oh my god Blizzard is going downhill!" type argument ever, and that is saying a lot.


If you're color-blind and they're all the same race and gender and everyone has a full set of armor, yes. But even assuming that what's the gameplay consequence? Your healers are looking at Grid, not at models.

True/False: One of the prime motivators for endgame gameplay, as stated by Blizzard themselves, is the looking cool factor?

Sure. But again, that just comes down to whether or not you like the set your chosen class got in a particular tier. And there have always been ugly sets, all the way right back down to the beginning. I'd take any of these sets over Valor plate.  :oh_i_see:

That's not what I'm getting at. If you're consolidating three classes into one model there is objectively less variety and therefore less of a chance your set will be something you like. And while it's a given that you look like every warrior if you're a warrior you didn't look like every other warrior, paladin and now death knight. Those are facts and if you think that nobody cares about this I think you're sorely mistaken.

Valor was awesome.

Jesus Christ, people, no one is even going to wear this armor for more than six months AT THE LONGEST because Icecrown is the "end," not this stupid tournament thing. They had art goals (they wanted to put the emphasis on Horde and Alliance instead of class for once) and they met those goals just fine. It's less Blizzard laziness and more "they did it different this time and people are acting like it's the end of the world."

Some of the sets are ugly? Big fucking deal, that's the way it is every tier unless you're a warlock. Wait until the next raid rolls out, and then you can be disappointed all over again because the colorblind guy with a huge shoulder fetish is still designing YOUR set. But phew, thank God above they'll go back to designing armor sets with a particular race/class combo in mind (tier sets almost always look good on ONE race and weird on the others) instead a faction. Change is scary. :(

The icecrown warlock armor will simply turn you into a frostwyrm

If they wanted to shift the gear division paradigm, it just seems stupid to do it in a bullshit incremental patch. I would expect that kind of sweeping change would be better served in a new expansion.

And do something like making a massive design shift with a major content release?

Because, in hindsight, ToA was a fucking fantastic idea. :why_so_serious:

They should add a new UI option:  rather than checking off display "title" or "guild", we'll have to check display "class" (

This is hardly a sweeping change, it's just a different way of doing the gear for one tier no one is going to wear for very long. This is the best possible place to do this if you wanted to do an Alliance/Horde divide for a change of pace but not have it hang around for a long time.

I never thought I'd see raiders bitching about everyone looking alike.  This day is delicious.  I shall ever savor it.

Huh? 'Raiders' have always bitched about appearances, it's probably the most bitched about thing for them

Most of the horde sets look awful IMO. I'd rather wear the alliance plate than the horde plate for sure.

I kinda wish I could get something like the ilevel 200 epic PVP plate Pallies get.

http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=-50#comments

That looks fucking cool.

All those years, content patchs and expansions and people still end up looking the same?  There is something very wrong with their design.

A good gear progression should look like a T.  Meaning half of the art is good and viable for the lvl cap.

I'm going to restate this, despite no-one seeming interested. The S7 stuff is fucking cool, and the progression they have had through the PvP sets has been logical and well done.

I just took a look.  I've been ignoring arenas since season 4.   It's now obvious what they did. The art team who was doing PvE armor swapped places with the team doing PvP armor.  The details and flairs and glow effects of the S7 armor come from the same design wellspring as previous PvE sets.

I know every stealthy rogue wants big bright yellow lights on their shoulders.

When a narcotics dealer sells to somebody who is dabbling, they give them the best stuff for a good price. Once they're hooked, the same money only buys heavily cut drugs and they'll take liberties with the weight. The same is true of MMORPGs. There needed to be a lot of good armor in the earlier tiers. Now you'll all play 80-100 even though there will only be one suit of lime green armor for everybody for the last 10 levels.

I take it you know this from experience.  Lay off the blow. :why_so_serious:

Personally I stopped caring about armor when I got shadowform.  I'm either a smooth inky blob or a spikey one, doesn't really matter.

I dunno. I can still make out a lot even in shadowform, and the Priest T7/7.5 shoulders still look bloody silly thanks to the stupid angelwing sprite thing. I would kill, kill to be able to wear the Warlock T7/7.5s. Those are pretty much the only shoulderpads I've seen in this game that I'd truly want my character to wear, and they'd look even more badass in shadowform. Moreover they seem to sit properly on the shoulders.

Really? The lock naxx set always struck me as the worst of the lock sets (which are universally some of the better designs they tend to do)

Felheart was the most stupid thing i've ever seen. A tiara with horns? Seriously?

=(

On an only slightly derailing note; I fucking hate the new bear form looks.  This bear looks like a wiener.  I miss my old one :mob:

I've been making fun of every druid I run with about their pretty little white kitty and his shiny pink highlights!

felheart wasn't a tiara with horns, it was gnarly demons horns STICKING OUT OF YOUR HEAD!  even as a priest I had to admire them, I even still have the fake felheart horns that drop from a nagrand quest.

Even IF I admit that they were bona fide horns, there's still the problem that they've TWO FLUORESCENT GREEN BANDS IN THEM.

Felheart is flaming. Also, it had horrible spelldmg. Additionally, not even a color blind chap could create such an atrocious coloring scheme.

I fondly remember calling warlocks "felheart clowns". 

I hate the way my druid looks with white hair in his elf form, so I'm not a pretty, pretty pink kitty. :(

The new cat form models are awesome.  The new bear form model feels a bit weird to me, mainly i think because the ass end of it seems to be about twice as big as the front end, making them appear very disproportionate in size.  However, since i spend the majority of my time in bear form looking only at the back end of it anyway, i generally don't notice the disparity.

Bear form is still basically a hairy potato with legs, but it is improved in that it is actually a ROUND potato with legs rather than a blocky one consisting of about 3 polygons.

All I see is bear ass, so I haven't noticed much difference.

Ya I noticed this too in trying a druid.  The new forms are best appreciated by onlookers :P

I said it before and I'll say it again.  This game begs for an appearance tab.  So many good armor skins... wasted.

Dyes!  Also dyes.

Before someone chimes in with the usual 'Lol, never happen!' comment, I do seem to recall that more appearance customization was mentioned as something Blizzard looking at in one of the Blizzcon panels.

Makes sense, since those devs who were all about the Iconic Shoulders/ silhouette view of characters have moved on to other games.   Much as I like to bitch about them, this crew seems more focused on providing player retention/ appeasement/ awesome features than they are on game & universe continuity.   That isn't necessarily a bad or good thing.

Still, appearance tab would rock.

I really liked the honor-bought PVP plate I was wearing before I left last time. It was just simple clean good-looking plate armor. It didn't glow or make fire or have any bright green pieces.

I would pvp more if I could kill people in a purple body suit with a pimp hat on (well, without the stat hit). Reminds me of my UO days PKing in a dear hat and dress.   :awesome_for_real:

You're looking for Champions Online  :grin: