The Awful Fittings Thread

[Jayce]

Heard this on the warp drive active podcast (FAILMAIL)

Our old alliance, Vanguard, killed a nice one.

I give you - the Heavy Missile Rattlesnake:  http://eve-vanguard.net/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6000

[Phildo]

Aw Sir T, is that the roaming gang I decided to skip because I'd been up for too long already?  God damn you guys!

[Sir T]

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5660

Ok I'm not even sure what this guy was trying to do. A drake with just a large shield booster for his tank and yet having shield boost rigs?

Has a pretty heavy damage throw-wieght I guess, but if you want that, fly a Ferox, its cheaper and better.

[Slayerik]

I don't think that belongs in awful fittings TBH, looks like it could have been a bugged KM or something. People just don't triple rig drakes and forget they have lows and mids. Not like having more mid tank would have saved him from that ass raping anyway. Looks like he was just trying to inch some DPS out of a shitty DPS ship heheh.

[Phildo]

I don't know where else to post this.  It's too awesome!

[FatuousTwat]

That is fucking epic.

[xorx]

Epic fail. Wow. That's in the 'hey mom, I just made an ice mining alt in just 3 weeks of training' school ...

[Phildo]

Since it's come up elsewhere, I thought I'd share my first pvp loss.  I got ganked on a gate in lowsec, of course.

Look how much of a noob I was!

Edit: I should mention that I didn't even know damage controls needed to be activated at the time.

[Pax]

This is pretty :shobon:

[Slayerik]

Since it's come up elsewhere, I thought I'd share my first pvp loss.  I got ganked on a gate in lowsec, of course.

Look how much of a noob I was!

Edit: I should mention that I didn't even know damage controls needed to be activated at the time.

Love that Domi fit, I might start running it :)

[WayAbvPar]

I don't know where else to post this.  It's too awesome!

Trojan Horse Badger! OMG that rules.

[Goumindong]

I don't know where else to post this.  It's too awesome!

He probably forgot the skills for the hobgoblins since they were in his drone bay.

Otherwise its very hard to kill a manknaw/hulk like that if they have their drones.

[Jayce]

I don't know where else to post this.  It's too awesome!

He probably forgot the skills for the hobgoblins since they were in his drone bay.

Otherwise its very hard to kill a manknaw/hulk like that if they have their drones.

Really?  Even with a civilian shield booster?

[WayAbvPar]

My Mackinaw is made out of wet tissue paper, even with a good tank. NPC rats kick the shit out of me regularly and make me warp away- a competent player should be able to do the same. Although I am not sure if the Badger DPS could outshoot my drones, since Badgers have shit for EHP too...

[Goumindong]

I don't know where else to post this.  It's too awesome!

He probably forgot the skills for the hobgoblins since they were in his drone bay.

Otherwise its very hard to kill a manknaw/hulk like that if they have their drones.

Really?  Even with a civilian shield booster?

Maybe not with a civvie shield booster, but yea, badgers have very low hit points and less DPS than the maknaw by a good margin

[Phildo]

Most likely it was a macrominer or someone who didn't know the first thing about pvp and only had the drones to scare off frigate rats.

[IainC]

On the subject of mining failmails I give you the untanked Rorqual fitted for cargo and er.. cap recharge?

[Endie]

On the subject of mining failmails I give you the untanked Rorqual fitted for cargo and er.. cap recharge?

You don't fly rorqs, I imagine, but that is an utterly standard low/mid travel fit for a rorq, and there is nothing wrong with it except that he should have swapped his highs out for smartbombs and neuts as a last gamble to get away if he got caught by a solo inty or something: it is intended to get your cap up to jump level up in the shortest possible time, and I'll bet almost every rorq killmail ever has cargo expanders on, since that's what people use them for outside pos shields.

His problem will have been what he did when he got there.  Presumably the system was empty when he lit his cyno.  He should have had the cyno pilot as FC, and with a deep safe set up so that he could fleet-warp to that: even though the cyno pilot doesn't move, the fleet members will warp there, so the rorq could cloak up in complete safety unless the hostile gang jumped in within c.25 seconds minus time to warp to the cyno.  If that happens then a full midslot tank wouldn't have saved him if they had a few points, as they'd just have called for help (as they presumably did with the mega at bottom damage turning up late).

Of course, moving that many blueprints one might have fitted a few stabs instead of cargo expanders in the lows and done it without the bulky stuff.  But I bet he died through not warping out at once or cloaking up at the cyno/a planet at 100km or some other retarded piece of thinking.  Otherwise he was spectacularly unlucky.

In summary, slightly sub-optimal but not terrible at all.

[IainC]

I stand corected then, I was thinking you'd want to tank it at least slightly (DCU II) and possibly fit warp core stabs to it if you were just hauling. Our alliance directors shout at people who get caught in untanked capitals just because they are hauling.

[MahrinSkel]

Then your directors are idiots.  If you're doing capital-based logistics, you want to move as much as possible with as few ships as possible as quickly as possible (with operational realities forcing tradeoffs between those three options).  If you're tanking, you've already fucked up, and getting the op over with before the enemy can crash the party is far better than having a tank (and fitting a tank will mean delays, one way or another).

--Dave

[Sir T]

Speaking of capital fits

http://killboard.goonfleet.com/km/284350/fitting#items

For thos wondering whats so bad about that...

First look at the amount of people on the killmail (A tower. Nothing else)

Next look at the rig slots (none fitted)

Finally look in adoration at the cargo bay (2 Capacitor Control Circuit rigs and a Trimark Armour Pump rig in the cargo bay where they are always useful)

Profit.

[Goumindong]

Towers, especially faction fit faction towers have no problems killing dreads in siege. Granted, most competent people should by this point be able to not have that happen, but its not that rare(and requires you to know whats going on)

[Slayerik]

Not deserving of awful fitting TBH. But I'm a hater.

[Endie]

I dunno, carrying your rigs in cargo seems enough to let it squeeze in...

[setar]

Known bug with killmails (rigs showing up as not fitted when they actually are). More of a case of 'do not enter siege when at 20% cap, particularly when there are still tons of neutralizers on the POS'.

[IainC]

Or don't try soloing a POS just because you have a dread.

[Goumindong]

Or don't try soloing a POS just because you have a dread.

Nah he wasn't alone, POS had gunners. Any properly set up POS can kill a dread if there are gunners online and it sieges.

[Sir T]

http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=156200

Note the pro ecm burst fit... (not remote...)

[Pax]

Dunno, I don't mind the burst, they can be -the- wildcards on slow locking/warp stabbed ships, if all else fails...

(they're even more likely to fail than "all else", though)

[IainC]

http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=156200

Note the pro ecm burst fit... (not remote...)

Apart from the ECM burst, I'm not seeing the fail? Is it because he's using cheap T2 stuff instead of faction/officer mods?

Also there are 25 hostile caps on that killmail 

[Sir T]

http://morsus-mihi.net/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=156200

Note the pro ecm burst fit... (not remote...)

Apart from the ECM burst, I'm not seeing the fail? Is it because he's using cheap T2 stuff instead of faction/officer mods?

Also there are 25 hostile caps on that killmail 

The 25 caps do not tell the full story.

Basically you see the 11 Morsus Mihi subcaps on the killmail? They probed him down when he went afk uncloaked, pointed him and chopped him down to 25% structure all by themselves and sat there asking their allies up to get on the killmail. They sat there with him and the goons basically said thanks but kill him as they were 30 jumps away and would not beat PL there, so PL cynoed in a lot of caps, all locked him up and then they all blew his remaining health apart in one volley. That's why you see a Rapier outdamaging several Dreadnoughts!

But the big thing people were talking about was the lack of officer smartbombs for the extra range, and a basic neutralizer since the neut is to drain down the cap of any heavy dictors and break their point.

But yeah the guy spent 19 billion on a ship and skimped on the gear. One of the things about supercaps is that you are generally fighting the best equipment the game has to offer. He went down like a ton of bricks.

[Amarr HM]

Did someone rename this the "Slightly dubious supercap fit thread" ?

[Sparky]

I hold supercaps to a higher standard because hopefully you have a clue and put some thought into it when you're dropping tens of billions on a ship.

[Amarr HM]

You obviously think ISK Quotient is = to IQ.

[Pezzle]

If anything, isk makes you stupid.