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Soln
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TFA was too close to the original but still good, fan service aside (I'm a fan). But there's no need for this sequel to be an explicit remake-homage to ESB. I'll be disappointed if it's a beat for beat copy.
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Sky
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If it's "accept what life is telling you, evolve and grow as you must, be what you are meant to be", there's a lot of story-telling goodness as well as ethical wisdom in there. "Be open to life around you, learn from how life grows and suffers and wants": ah yss. That's basically spaghetti Westerns replacing the old white-hat/black-hat Westerns and it's good.
That's my hope, too. And I think it's the way they're going, because that puts in a path for Rey to bring Kylo back into balance.
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Lakov_Sanite
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How do you go from 1min trailer to ESB remake I mean, did I miss the super extended version? Did ESB include grey jedis and I missed that part? It's like I'm reading these forums taking crazy pills.
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Merusk
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Some people love shitting on a thing. Others decide that their childhood trumps others so anything derivative of or not fully validating their childhood is crap. Then some folks are just assholes.
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Soln
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How do you go from 1min trailer to ESB remake I mean, did I miss the super extended version? Did ESB include grey jedis and I missed that part? It's like I'm reading these forums taking crazy pills.
You're correct there's going to be original content, but my concern was that the overall story will be ESB (and I hope I'm wrong). Luke as "your father ", Hoth opening with AT-ATs but on a desert planet. We'll see, hope for the best.
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Lakov_Sanite
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I'm sure it'll have lightsabers too, fucking unoriginal bastards.
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Sky
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To be fair, I thought it was a pretty clear ESB style teaser with the cave, the training, the friends in trouble.
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Riggswolfe
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To be fair, I thought it was a pretty clear ESB style teaser with the cave, the training, the friends in trouble.
The At-Ats are a bit too ESB for my tastes but the rest of it didn't give me ESB vibes at all.
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jgsugden
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2020 will be the year I gave up all hope.
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Speedy Cerviche
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I think they decided on a plan years ago when they bought Lucas Arts to have their big core trilogy follow a similar story arc to episodes 4-6. This was a decision made at the highest levels of Disney Corp as a safe way to begin recouping their $4 billion outlay for the franchise. This plan is not going to be deviated from now unless episode 8 completely flops (not likely). They have more artistic leeway in the spinoff movies, and then after this first trilogy is completed.
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Merusk
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That's exactly what it is. They didn't quit, they were fired, mostly for riffing instead of sticking to the script. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-why-han-solo-movie-directors-were-fired-1015474Kennedy had also expressed concern not only at the direction of some of the action scenes, but Clarke and Aldean's performances. "wooden" is apparently used in the descriptions, though I haven't read the base articles yet. Apparently there were also concerns about hiring Lord and Miller in the first place, based on what I've read in the last few hours. When relaying the information provided to them by their source, The Weekly Planet Podcast did insist that while the script for the still untitled Han Solo is “very funny,” Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy has told directors Phil Lord and Christopher Miller that both the action and acting are “weak.”
http://www.inquisitr.com/4288434/is-han-solo-film-in-trouble-poor-acting-and-action-allegedly-forces-early-reshoots/The problem with the popularity of Star Wars has always been that people want to put their own spin on things. Taking pieces of the universe and turning it sideways to fit your own vision of 'how things should work.' That was one of my largest complaints about the EU and what turned it into a godawful mess. While it's nice for fan fiction and one-off side projects, it's a terrible approach for a body of work. Imagine Sam Jackon's The Hobbit, someone's Kirk/ Spock slash fiction, or any of Moffat's Who work becoming the driving vision for those universes. While there's room for them in fandom, you don't want them to be the backbone. That's the situation Disney and LFL are always going to be in and why they're going to work to protect and project a singular vision.
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Lakov_Sanite
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Sam Jackon's The Hobbit,
Say precious one more time mother fucker, I dare you! I double dare you!
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Merusk
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Fuck. Second time this week I've done that. I was talking about Danny Glover with friends and kept calling him Donald. Getting old is shit.
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Abagadro
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Ok, so this is probably only funny to me and the other one in a million people who are into ASMR videos and Star Wars, but this is so fucking brilliant on multiple levels it made my sides hurt from laughing so I'm linking it here. Don't judge me. Kylo Ren's ASMR Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69IuXVx-Tfk
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Merusk
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aurialnauts always do good stuff. If you haven't watched it, Jedi Dance Party is up through ESB now.
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Abagadro
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RJ tweeted today that the picture is locked, which seems to indicate that they are pretty happy with it since with the last two they were messing with it right up to release. I have a lot of faith in the dude after his work on BB so please don't fuck this up.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
-H.L. Mencken
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Samwise
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RJ is the main reason I'm excited about this movie. "Brick" is one of my all time favorite movies ever, "Looper" was highly enjoyable, and his work on Breaking Bad was awesome. Last Jedi could be the worst thing he's ever done and still be better than TFA, and I enjoyed TFA.
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Khaldun
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New trailer.
Hamill looks pretty great. Not sure about any of the rest of it. Beginning to get that sense that they may really have gone for a ESB remake.
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Abagadro
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Going dark on trailers and other stuff before seeing it, but if that is case it is really disappointing.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
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Sir T
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So they are playing it safe by doing an Original trilogy redux?
Meh.
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Draegan
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The trailer tells you absolutely nothing. Inferring anything from it is stupid.
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Khaldun
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Yeah, it's just a feeling, I couldn't defend it with specific visual quotes to save my life.
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Draegan
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Im pretty sure ESB didn't invent a dark act two.
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Merusk
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Not even.
So much misdirection in that trailer. I'm not buying it after the TFA and Rogue One trailers. It's set-up to have you think that Kylo kills Leia. Of course, we all know Carrie's gone so they have to "deal" with her, right? We expect it, so they're playing to it.
Kylo/ Rey at the end; different lighting on both characters with much more orange on Kylo. Add the falling debris while there's none around Rey it's a complete misdirect, playing into his offer to train her in TFA. Another expectation they're playing on.
Snoke talking while we're shown Kylo. Nope, another misdirect. Lest we forget Luke's "My father has it, my sister has it, you have it..." from TFA where all Luke really got to do was emote heavily for 20 uncomfortable seconds.
Rey screaming/ Snoke in the background; Can't even know if this is a Force vision or not. I'm not convinced she even gets captured at this point.
The realest thing in the trailer was Luke's statement; "This is not going to go how you expect."
Regards - The guy with a "Your Snoke Theory Sucks" sticker.
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Lakov_Sanite
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This trailer all but confirms my theory they are going with the Rey = Bastilla angle. Ren get a redemption and Rey is the big bad next episode. I'm even going to hazard saying that through anger Rey accidentally causes Leia's death which is where she snaps.
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Draegan
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I bet half the footage in the trailer is actually not in the movie.
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kaid
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I bet half the footage in the trailer is actually not in the movie.
Hehe after the rogue one trailer that is an open question of how much if any of this shows up in the actual movie.
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Riggswolfe
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Not even.
So much misdirection in that trailer. I'm not buying it after the TFA and Rogue One trailers. It's set-up to have you think that Kylo kills Leia. Of course, we all know Carrie's gone so they have to "deal" with her, right? We expect it, so they're playing to it.
Kylo/ Rey at the end; different lighting on both characters with much more orange on Kylo. Add the falling debris while there's none around Rey it's a complete misdirect, playing into his offer to train her in TFA. Another expectation they're playing on.
Snoke talking while we're shown Kylo. Nope, another misdirect. Lest we forget Luke's "My father has it, my sister has it, you have it..." from TFA where all Luke really got to do was emote heavily for 20 uncomfortable seconds.
Rey screaming/ Snoke in the background; Can't even know if this is a Force vision or not. I'm not convinced she even gets captured at this point.
The realest thing in the trailer was Luke's statement; "This is not going to go how you expect."
Regards - The guy with a "Your Snoke Theory Sucks" sticker.
I agree. I think Rey is actually talking to Luke in that scene and it's probably in the same cave scene where he says the whole "All I know is it is time for the Jedi to end..." She's trying to talk him into training her and he's like "Nope, that didn't end well last time!" Now, my big question from the trailer is who is Luke comparing her to when he says he's only seen that kind of raw power once before. My 3 big suspects: Vader - That'd play into the "She's Anakin Reborn" theory that is floating around. Palpatine - I've seen this one mentioned but I'm pretty sure Luke had a healthy respect and fear of the Emperor. Especially after the Force Lightning. Kylo - I don't know. Kylo does seem pretty powerful but not as powerful as the two above.
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Merusk
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It's Kylo. He's 1/2 Skywalker and Luke remains the strongest Jedi in the new canon.
Anakin was stronger than Palpatine, which was why Palpatine worked so hard to convert him. While the loss of his limbs crippled him, he was STILL stronger, as he was able to toss Palpy into the Death Star reactor with little fuss. The Emperor wanted to turn Luke because his potential was stronger than Vader as a cripple due to being whole.
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It's Kylo. He's 1/2 Skywalker and Luke remains the strongest Jedi in the new canon.
Anakin was stronger than Palpatine, which was why Palpatine worked so hard to convert him. While the loss of his limbs crippled him, he was STILL stronger, as he was able to toss Palpy into the Death Star reactor with little fuss. The Emperor wanted to turn Luke because his potential was stronger than Vader as a cripple due to being whole.
Well, almost whole anyway...
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Also, 'little fuss' other than it killing him.
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Key word : "Raw"
And dialog like that has to refer to someone relevant to the future of the character. It is known.
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Khaldun
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Big thing coming out of the premiere is universal advice to go completely dark on the movie from this point on--that there are some huge surprises that haven't leaked at all and that it's much better if you don't know they're coming.
I am going to follow this advice.
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Sky
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Watching some interviews leading up, it certainly seems that way. Hamill slipped with some (seemingly) minor thing in a cast interview and the other three actors all shit their pants.
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