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Have at it. Do we know how Falconeer is seeding things yet? Totally random? 1v4, 2v3, no same divisions?

If we're seeded by our finish in our divisions, and assuming I got this right, it looks like:

Alive Not Dead (necro) #1 seed
Negative Capability (necro) #1 seed
Paper Armour Dolls (dark elf) #1 seed
Hazardous Hippies (woodies) #1 seed

Beardstorm! (dwarf) #2 seed and all around league favorite
Rape of Skabine (rats) #2 seed
HHBL (lizards) #2 seed
Ex-Presidents (chaos) #2 seed

Acherontic Welkin (high elf) #3 seed
Diplomatic Immunity (norse) #3 seed
Carnifex's Cripplers (lizard) #3 seed
Burrowing Beetles (khemri) #3 seed

7 Deadly (lizard) #4 seed
F13 Catfighters (amazon) #4 seed
Spleen Flay Hackers (dark elf) #4 seed
Minizillas (lizard) #4 seed

Observation: that's a lot of goddamn skinks.

PAD v Hazardous in the finals. That is all.

My main hope is that each 'regional' doesn't have any teams from the same divisions, so we get to play new people. Otherwise I'm not sure I care too much who I get matched up against.

Yeah, I'd prefer to play a greater variety of teams...and less Andydavo.

Shit, I'll volunteer to play him first if that makes you all feel better.

I am pretty sure you get one of us #2 seeds.  :grin:

every lizard team that isn't HHB is just a bunch of hangers-on. :google:

That would probably be a bloody game for the both of us. However, I'm OK with playing any of the #2 seeds. Also, with my Thrower probably gone for good, I've been able to lower my TV a bit more.

the list shamelessly hijacked and modified. sorry!

Alive Not Dead (necro) #1 seed - last season beaten finalists, hard to see them being beaten tbh. Focus!!
Negative Capability (necro) #1 seed-  a str5 wolf. *rolls eyes* i say again. a str5 wolf. wolf. str5.
Paper Armour Dolls (dark elf) #1 seed - me. i'm not commenting on myself, sky likes doing that.
Hazardous Hippies (woodies) #1 seed - scored around 74 touchdowns in 7 games so far, great offence, but will they be able to defend? a finalist contender for sure. i would like to play this guy he looks good.

Beardstorm! (dwarf) #2 seed - -Dwarves. Yuck. will be a pain in the arse and should make the semi's. needs to show TV management skills however.
Rape of Skabine (rats) #2 seed - skaven - capable of anything, just depends what rats show up i guess.
HHBL (lizards) #2 seed - needs to see the TV trimming salon or will be giving away wizards all over the show.
Ex-Presidents (chaos) #2 seed - joint top 2nd seed here in my book, the block /claw/mb guy is a match winner.

Acherontic Welkin (high elf) #3 seed - sadly only 11 players, will really struggle if paired with bash, maybe next season. still a contender for dark horse if gets the rub of the green.
Diplomatic Immunity (norse) #3 seed - Norse, they break. No. See my division for details.
Carnifex's Cripplers (lizard) #3 seed - Sauri  are not developed for this seasons make or break games. solid coach however.
Burrowing Beetles (khemri) #3 seed - the TG's are getting there, the pick of this tiers teams for progression.

7 Deadly (lizard) #4 seed - more lizards. needs to kick the perms and think about the future.
F13 Catfighters (amazon) #4 seed - one of my favorite races and a niice guy. should't be seeded as a 4th spot.
Spleen Flay Hackers (dark elf) #4 seed - carries a lot of perms which if focused will be his undoing.
Minizillas (lizard) #4 seed -  not enough tv to stop any of the top 4 in the first round if seeded like that, but proved he is capable.


My views are objective, having not played most of you i've just looked down the teams list. i do look forwards to playing 3 of you however. (maybe).

Time more more trash talk! On those I have played before.

Teleku. Struggled in a harder division last season, but has performed better this time around. Part of that might be his team coming together, but he still doesn't have enough of a bench to win consistently in my view. He could ruin anyone on his day but probably won't make the final. Could struggle against IainC or Comstar.

Ingmar. Dwarves don't really have any tricks against some of the high TV favorites here, so it is hard to see him winning the final. Also struggled in a harder division last season. Some touch matchups in the 3rd seeds, he will probably hope to play Carnifex or Strazos.

Llyse. Good team with a decent coach, but can struggle in the big games all the same. He had more of a TV advantage when he made the final last season, so it will not be as smooth a run if he makes it this time. Is a chance for the final though. Will probably want to avoid Comstar or IainC fist up.

Ice. Just missed the finals last year in a tough division and has responded by demolishing his division this time around. Yet to play finals, so maybe the nerves will get him. His team is solid, but less even than Llyse's and more prone to relying on a key player. With seeding he should be a chance to see late finals action. Probably shades all the matchups he might get, though IainC might cause some hurt.

Comstar. A good coach who had a tough run this season. If there are seedings then being 4th could prove his demise. A first up win however, and he will be right back in contention. Best matchup would be the Hippies for sure.

Drogg. I don't think he will make it that far again this season. The easy division might get to his head. Doesn't really have the team to put fear in to any of the main contenders. All of the 3rd seeds will probably love to draw him.

Carnifex. Lizards are probably still low on the TV scales to really make a run of it. Could surprise some who don't pay them enough respect, though. Could probably struggle against Ruvaldt and Ingmar. A lizard v lizard matchup with drogg is probably his best option.

Ezrast. Yet another from the hardest division of last season to make it through this time in a (slightly, only slightly) easier group (along with Teleku, Ingmar and Ice Cream, as well as the top two Llyse and myself - Battletech S#2 represent). Didn't make the cut last time, and a low seeding here will make it very tough to progress any further. Ice and Teleku have played him before, and Andy is probably a bridge too far.

On those I might be playing in the 3rd seeds, if it works out that way:

Megrim. I do not want this matchup. I will be giving away TV against a good player with a style I really don't enjoy facing. Elves suck. If I do come up against him I will have to play a bashy game and hope my blitzers and rat ogre have their claws sharpened. Will have to hope my bench gives me the advantage, if I get him down a few players I would feel pretty safe.

Strazos. Another tough match. This could come down to dice on bashing, with both sides fragile and easy to fall apart. I dislike the frenzy and will be looking to changeup my ususal line running strategy if I meet him.

Proudft. Possibly my best matchup, with my rats liking the slow moving khemri playstyle... but perhaps also the best player of the group, having proved the doubters wrong again and again. It could come down to kickoff events and the ability of my rats to break the cage. I really wish I had kick (STILL NO KICK!!).

Playing for 2nd place on the last day last season with a fresh team was "struggling"? No Christmas card for you this year, sir.  :heartbreak:

Considering that Teleku, Ice and Llyse are top of their groups and you and I are second, with Ezrast also making the finals, you can make a pretty good argument for Battletech last season being one of the toughest groups we've had.

But that doesn't spice up the finals, so I'm just going to go with you getting an easy run this time around after not making the grade before.  :grin:

I've played you plenty of times before, Lamaros!  In fact, your Dark Elf team and their AV 7-8 selves helped me build the Ex-Presidents...

As for my odds in the playoffs: I'm just glad to have finally made them, and to make second seed on top of that makes me a very happy camper indeed.  Especially with the first Chaos team to do so.  It's all gravy from here.

I meant teams with my team. I think I played Megrim's elves in the feeder too.

The seeding works like this:

Groups: Bt, Ct, St, Tw.

1st Bt vs 4th Ct
1st Ct vs 4th St
1st St vs 4th Tw
1st Tw vs 4th Bt
2nd Bt vs 3rd Ct
2nd Ct vs 3rd St
2nd St vs 3rd Tw
2nd Tw vs 3rd Bt


The playoff grid will be as follow (anyone willing to make a visual version of it is welcome to do so):


Left Side, from top to bottom:

1Bt vs 4Ct

2Tw vs 3Bt

2Ct vs 3St

1St vs 4Tw


Right Side, from top to bottom:

1Ct vs 4St

2St vs 3Tw

2Bt vs 3Ct

1Tw vs 4Bt

EDIT: Disregard, see below!

Hey, are there two Tier Noob teams in the playoffs? Carnifex and Ulysses are both from that glorious tier, aren't they?

MAKE US PROUD GUYS

Does this look right?

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6022/5929141603_9b2ea81235_z_d.jpg)

Just seen my first match of the playoffs is against Andydavo, so not much chance of an upset methinks, but hey at least tier noob is represented in the playoffs and it's been a blast playing with you all this season which is the main thing.

I'm a little sad that I have to play proudft in the first round, since he is part of my COACHING TREE. The rest of those losers are all in the failoffs, too.

That depends -- did you make that in Excel?  :drill:

What's a coaching tree?

It's a term they use in American sports to describe the family tree of coaches who worked as assistants for each other etc., but I was just using it to mean 'people that are playing Blood Bowl here because I recruited them to the league or f13'.

Although really Fordel gets the credit since he's how I found my way here.

Couldn't ask for a much better draw with Andy facing Ingmar's beardstorm or Khemri.

Also looking forward to seeing Megrim knock Lamaros the fuck out  :awesome_for_real:

I look forward to meeting you in the semis again, and kicking you out.

Douchebag! :awesome_for_real:

Who's the douchebag thinking he'll pass Megrim and Teleku/comstar to get to the semis?  :why_so_serious:

Not me!

Fixt

hmm. pretty sure i can take carnifex, especially with him down a saurus, but ICE is another matter.  go ezrast go! :grin:

So this is single elimination now, correct?

The banter and rivalry is the best part of playoffs  :drill:

Single elimination, yes.

Anyway, I don't plan on twisting anyone's arm. But it'd be great if any of you with more graphical skills than me could come up with a visual representation of the playoff/failoff grid. I love that stuff. It's ok if no one makes it, but Nuffle will be informed.

Wow my draw is very nice all the way to the semi-finals hopefully.

With two +1MV/Guard Blodging Blitzers out for my first game, I can either buy 2 loner blitzers, a wizard and a bloodwiser babe, or a reroll and 2 bloodwiser babes.

Both teams start with 11 players on the pitch, and while the Wood Elves have a treeman with Multiple Block, I have as many guard players he has ST 2, and he only 3 players with block and only 1 with tackle. The game might well come down to his leaping tackling strip balling Wardancers. I need to play close attention to the 2 Wardancers and 2 catchers, as they the only players on the wood elf team who actually do touchdowns, and only his thrower throws much.

Mmm...stripping wardancers...

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/41488/wardancer.JPG)

Should be an interesting match, the TV difference should be enough for a mercenary Saurus though, so I hope you weren't counting on that to be the primary difference  :grin:  ICE beat the crap out of me the first time we played iirc, so I'm praying for Ezrast to upset as well.

Just chat with ICE a lot and he'll reliably turnover by running out of time responding to you.  :grin:

No no, you're doing it wrong! It goes like this:


THE LIZARDMENS HUNGER FOR ELF BLOOD

(http://www.spiritproductions.com.au/Uploads/Images/frilled-neck-lizards-1(1).jpg)

Damnit, don't listen to him. I am taciturn by nature!

Also: wth, it's me and 3 Lizard teams? I hate Lizards.

Looks like we'll get a rematch!

Ice Cream WIN Ice Cream WIN Ice Cream WIN

Carnifex WIN

Proudft WIN Proudft WIN

AndyDavo WIN

Llyse WIN

Ruvaldt WIN Ruvaldt WIN

Lamaros WIN Lamaros WIN Lamaros WIN

Comstar WIN

Wow, you have Ruvaldt beating me and Llyse? Brave guy.  :oh_i_see:

And somewhat ludicriously, Proudft beating me. Which never happens, at any game.  :grin:

What, never?

I beat your Khemri with my Goblins, didn't I?

Proudft, that's not the next line. :(

Yeah *that's* a good omen for you.

His chaos team is pretty good, and you're both a good matchup for him.

The Presidents are pretty good, and I'm 2-0 vs. Norse this season.  My record vs. Strazos is 0-1-1, but that was with lesser teams.  I plan to equalize.

I'm going out in the second round? I see. I think it's going to be me vs dwarves in round 2 and me vs icecream in round 3. not sure about the final thou

I'll take Megrim's elves from the lower half.

I fail to understand why anyone doesn't think you will at least make it to the final.  If I could place money on the playoffs I'd put it all on Sky's favourite ringer. :awesome_for_real:

I'm just waiting for someone to give his elves a proper curbstomping.

Just Hit Harder.

I hear dwarves hit kinda hard. Assuming they can catch 'em.

Nah, the regular season is for curbstomping -- the playoff are for winning.

yay - one vote of confidence !

Where's the fun in predicting what you actually think will happen?  :awesome_for_real:

In all seriousness though, Ruvaldt does have a decent team and finished second in one of the more competitive groups (Andy excluded). He could give Llyse's team a shake if they come up against each other.

Andy will probably make the final though, I will admit.

The winner of the Playoffs and the Failoffs should fight each other in a sort of fucked up World Series.

Cake. It's delicious!

I KNOW WHAT IS UP WITH THIS GUY I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WINNING TOURNAMENTS MADE UP OF OTHER GUYS I DON'T KNOW GOD

AndyDavo is not fun to play. Period. All the other people I've played that I don't really know? They're fun.

You haven't played me yet. I swear a lot and insult you. One time, drogg broke down crying.

So elaborate: what makes Andy so awful?

Because the thing is that after two seasons, all I can figure is that it's because he plays to win and does so in a business-like fashion. And that Sky has some very strange, very insular ideas of internet community.

For the record, I'm immediately inclined to be intensely irritated by someone seemingly unable to type in complete, properly spelled sentences. I judge you by your grammar and spelling. But watching a trickle dogpile led by Sky, who seemingly disliked him just because he wasn't naturally of f13, made me pretty sympathetic to the rough around the edges newbie.

Really, illuminate me, someone. What sort of f13 gaming is the ideal, besides chain buying MMOs and quitting them two weeks in?

Andy hasn't in any way engaged with the forums here outside of the league, and still posts like a 10 year old.

Though I think Sky is being a sulk and an ass in his posts about Andy I am beginning to agree with him. If he plays with us he should at least make an effort. Andy has had enough time (two seasons!) and doesn't really seem to care.

Neither has drogg, Reborne or a few others and I'm increasingly the same way.  Maybe this is the only game he plays. I don't follow that as an immediate disqualifier.

I'm not saying he's some rad dude. I'm saying that Sky was so over the top shitty to him from the first post, and has milked it for so long now, that the quasi-literate introvert suddenly didn't look so bad.

Really, I'm not going to shed tears if he stays or goes; I just want to play. But threatening to quit if he wins is just one of the most internet things (and not in a good way, like videos of people falling down) I can think of.

EDIT: Incidentally, no other game/set-up f13 has done since SWG has attracted the interest and new blood that the BB leagues have. Find another forum with as many sub-500 (or even sub-100) post count users active in them. They don't exist. If kicking new blood out for not being active enough in the other threads by some arbitrary measure becomes de rigeur, this place ain't long for this world.

Once again. :facepalm:

I can deal with him playing to win. It's the bullshit like fouling and crowdsurfing my dudes who are not anywhere near his ball carrier that's about to run the ball in for his fourth touchdown. It doesn't benefit him in the least to do that, as it's better I'm at full health to beat the shit out of his competition (I still had Ruvault to play, after all) and he doesn't get SPP for surfing or fouling. Punch my dudes for SPP, run up the score, and godspeed on that, but don't throw useless fouls when you have the game well in hand.

I'm also not a big fan of "helpful" tips like "u need a deepr bench" when I had already detailed how I had lost two very expensive pieces at the very start of the season and had only just finally replaced them.



I don't give a flying fuck that AndyDavo isn't "part of the community." I give a flying fuck that he is no fun to play and a terrible winner.

Then there needs to be a sportsmanship rule and people should lobby for one. Turn 16 Fouls Get The Game Invalidated, So Sayeth Falconeer. Something like that. As it is, most leagues of any longevity explicitly say it's FINE to foul on turn 16 and they're not leagues of Davo clones typing in cellphone speak to each other.

Seriously, that's something to bring up if you feel strongly about it. As it is, I probably won't foul if I'm winning but I will gladly foul you if I'm losing out of sheer spite and because I'm secretly RPing as an orc behind the screen. And next season, with my goblins, *I will probably foul people every other turn.*

Look, you asked why I don't like playing him, and I answered. I don't give a shit what people do in other "leagues of any longevity." I don't play in those. It's almost like that is part of the reason why, with all the GRR SRS BIZNESS and the BE AS BIG A DICK AS YOU CAN. I'm also not going to kick my feet and demand a "sportsmanship rule." I'm just going to think you're an asshole and avoid playing you as much as I can. <shrug>

Listen, I'm just pointing out that if this bugs you so much, then lobby for it. I'm also pointing out that it's a completely accepted part of the game to do those things. If it's not explicitly disallowed, then it's allowable. If it's so upsetting that you would avoid people or quit the league, lobby for the change; that's not stamping your feet, it's setting up league rules. That's how it works.

Afraid I'm with MA on this one. I haven't played Andy; I do think he's kind of a douche for blatantly ignoring our requests to find his fucking shift key, but fuck, we've got a group of over 30 people coordinating games, having fun, and generally being gracious and pleasant, and only one douche out of that many people is pretty damn good. I mean, if Sky or whoever would rather take off than put up with it, that's no skin off my nose, but I thought the f13 way of dealing with annoying newbies was to publicly shame them with grammar corrections, image macros, and vitriol until they go away. Instead, we're getting all huffy in a weird passive-aggressive conversation where we all talk about Andy in third person like he's not right here reading this. What gives? Is it because he's better at a video game than we are? Are we that insecure?

edit: "whomever" is for objects, not subjects.

Pretty much.  He kicked the shit out of me last season but you won't find me whining like a fucking man child because of it.  Some people here are starting to look like real poor losers, which is much more deserving of mockery than a horrible posting style.  Its getting embarrassing.

It's like this is the exact reason I never said anything. Because it couldn't possibly be that he's a douchebag. It's because he wins.  :oh_i_see:

I'm sure if we really try we could hit a 20 page thread on the merits of turn 16 fouls. My only opinion on the ones in the AndyDavo-Sjofn game was that it was pretty dumb of Andy to throw them in the first place. It is poor strategic thinking to throw fouls at a team that probably won't make the playoffs when you're ahead of them in the standings; would be better to leave players uninjured so they have a better chance to go on to hurt the teams you're actually worried about.

I don't like too much frosting, but a frosting layer in the middle can be tasty.

That's actually on me. He apologized to me during our game.

I've never made a post complaining about Andy before, and I don't mean to make any more. I was just expressing my view. I don't give a shit about turn 16 fouls, I do them too if I feel like it. I've also never played him in the league.

I do wish he would post using capitals and the like, though.

People have told me he's a bit of a dice-whiner in game, but we have a lot of that.  (And it is annoying no matter whom it comes from.) :oh_i_see:

I imagine it comes off quite a bit more annoying if you're up 3-0 when you do it, though.

Can't it be both?

You people are fucking disgusting.

Seconded!

He is not the only one though. Personally, I shared Sky's sentiment for a while. Then, I feel that we are the "League" and that almost as important as the f13 thing. AndyDavo pisses me off when he doesn't use proper caps, grammar and punctuation, but other than that he's been helpful to the League, helpful to players, he actively participates in the Blood Bowl forums (actually more than some other f13 old farts) and after two seasons I think that him and anyone else is somewhat part of the family. As I said this is my personal feeling, but while it wasn't fun to play him (or Drogg, or Bann, or ice Cream Emperor, or Reborne, or anyone else I didn't really "know" outside of the Blood Bowl League) last Season, things changed over time. Now I am fond of every single coach, and since I now "know" everyone here, I don't really care too much if they post in another section of f13 or not, or how long ago they joined. Hell, if I tried to be friends with Dusematic (serious personal/political differences I'd say that are quite painful) I am sure you can all stomach any AndyDavo out there.

The only thing that pisses me off of AndyDavo is that he seems unbeatable. The problem is not really that he's an outsider, he's an outsider that came to the party and swooped the whole cake. Possibly twice in a row. It IS irritating that he's so good at the game, but I think that was much worse the first time around. Now he's the hated player that everyone wants to beat and have a fair shot at. Pretty much everyone has a sporty or unsporty feud with him, and I think that's quite cool. My only real HUGE regret has been allowing him to change his team. He won last year with a crippled band of Dark Elves, and I should have forced him to keep them to defend the title. That has been very stupid on my part.

So yeah, while I think the whole "f13 outsider" issue had legs in Season #3 (for Andy and others), I don't think it does this time around. Sure, this is the f13 League, it will always have a f13 taste and will always favour f13 players over outsiders (I'll make sure to that for next season) but it's not like f13 cares so much about us anyway. We had to struggle hard, me and a few others, to get the thing going, and we had to beg in several languages to have a stinky subforum. We had to yell and over-post to get some of the old residents to join, and while they were busy not giving a shit we had to "hire" a few mercenaries to fill the ranks. And I think those mercenaries earned their place, if not on f13, certainly in the f13 League.


Also, please PLEASE I BEG YOU (for real this time): let's not ruin this. If it isn't obvious enough this little League we built is precious to me. Call me emo but I would be honestly hurt if we ended up growing any kind of angst among us DUE to one person that someone dislikes and having people leave because of that. Tired of the game? Fine. Too busy to play? Ok come back anytime. Quitting because of forum bullshit? Just please, no.
Insulting everyone IS the f13 way, but giving up because of that is not. So yeah, disgust each other at will but please do not ragequit cause that would be really, really sad and disappointing.

I don't have an issue with the way that Andy plays, I've played him in both the last two leagues and he plays BB like a spreadsheet which is a valid if dull way to play. I strongly believe that anyone who joins our league should at least make a token effort to engage with the community whose league they have just gatecrashed but, as noted, Andy isn't alone in this failing. We have forums where we talk about books, TV, video games, movies, random shit, politics and Darth Vader pictures, what are the odds that someone who plays Bloodbwl online has no interest in any of those things? For me it's more interesting to play people I sorta-pretend internet know than guys who are just a screen-name and a bunch of win/loss stats and that seems to be the general consensus with the rest of us. That's where my problem lies, not with literacy-free posts, turn 16 fouls or min-maxed team building.

I'll be here even if it's just you, and I.  The f13 league is the closest thing I've ever had to a regular Blood Bowl group, which is something that I've wanted for well over decade.  I think the majority of folks here feel similarly and are just happy to play.

The only thing that bothers me about Andy is the same thing that you mentioned: he's unbelievably good.  Having the same person winning championships over and over again gets a little boring, but I can't fault him for that and have simply gotten over it.  I enjoy the game by setting my own goals for myself and seeing if I can meet them.  This season I have, and so I'm satisfied.  If Andy wins again so be it.  That just means there will be more AV 7 and 8 elves that need a severe crushing from the Presidents next season.

Andy isn't invincible though. This season he's 7-0-0 and certainly the hot favourite for the title. Last season though he was 5-1-1 in the regular season, beaten by Comstar and drawn by me.

Indeed. If Llyse had choked in the semi instead of the final I'd have won last season anyhow. ;)

I post outside this forum and have lurked here since the WAR-release-era, but obviously I'm a lot more active here, because here I don't have to worry about establishing whether or not my posts are legitimate. My relevance and credibility are ensured by the fact that I am in the league. Because like Falc says, by now it's its own thing.

I do think that having Andy in the league is a bit like a pick-up game of soccer with that one dude from Manchester United (well, maybe Leeds United; let's not give the guy too much credit) -- but there are positives and negatives to that, and I'm hard-pressed to find any mean-spiritedness in it all. Not everyone is going to approach things with the same degree of competitiveness, and that's fine as long as people don't feel shut out for the way they like to play the game.

I mean, for whatever reason I seem to be pretty invested in getting better at this random computer game, but it doesn't piss me off that other people don't look up 2d6 probabilities or whatever. They probably make killer pastries or speak four languages or could wipe the floor with me in a rap battle. And I expect people to call me out if I get to be a dick about the game (see: my rant after losing to Lamaros), just as much as I expect them to cope with the fact that I'm going to play to win as resoundingly as possible.

Guys, seriously...this is getting a bit silly.

Sure, crowd surfing and fouling late in already-decided games might be a little douchey (especially if you're winning), but is that really any different from when I continue to try to smash players for precious SPP?

If you guys REALLY hate him that much...cripple his damn team. If you don't want him winning, you all need to kick his elves' teeth in. You may not be able to win the game, but you can damn well try to cripple his team and make it harder for him to win the war of the playoffs.

I've talked to him once or twice outside of BB and the forums, and he didn't come off as a terrible person - even if he really needs to find his shift key when posting here.

He was quite friendly when I spoke to him outside of f13.

The solution is obviously to make him play Halflings next year and make sure he's in a division with people who don't like him.

I'm sorry to hear that people have been having less fun playing others than I have.
As you've all noticed I'm kinda the quite type as far as groups go, so I don't tend to post a lot in forums but I've been lurking here for ages now.
My few other posts have been in things like the Rift and EVE forums but really I am on here to see what is going on and find good people to play games with.
I talk more in game which is why I like to think that others have been having fun playing matches with me.

I really don't want to add to either side of what is going on, other than to say anything more than I'm glad to be a part of this league and hope to be getting my snotlings pounded senseless for many seasons to come.

Have you tried a red cake?

Fine,

I really will try and be Sofia (sof-ier) when playing you guys. After all I am just Amman (A-Man - Jordan) and really don't mean to be a Moroni (Moron -Comoros). Maybe if you all say a little Praia (Prayer -Cape Verde) someone else may pull a Rabat (rabbit - Morrocco) out of the hat and beat me?

Falc - If it will help i will leave after the season is done. I do not wish to cause the league to break up, I know how hard it is to manage things like this and i do NOT want to help ruin it for anyone. Not even Sky.

Sky - you were here first, if it's me or you then there is no contest.
Sjofn - I just watched back that replay

The foul on turn 12 was to stop you surfing my guys
The foul on turn 13 was  because I had the guy surrounded - yes u were beaten but i was going to try and score again. If I could reduce your numbers further it would have made it easier.
The foul on 14 was also to reduce numbers/ get a stun, i didnt want you blitzing in an area behind my lines.

I do accept that the surfs on the last turn before I scored were not required, with hindsight I accept that they were not required.
However,
I have seen this more than once, Give someone a moments rest and they always end up fucking you over down the line. Norse are not a pleasant team to play when developed and you may well be in my division next season.

 :heart:

The only time I ever got pissed was when I played Llyse. He showed up really late so I had to leave for work (in my first game ever), but he was already leading. So I just left the game running and he ran in an unnecessary 3rd TD instead of just end-turning the game while I was AFK at work.

Which now that I've played several games strikes me as fucking classless, and I hope he gets his head kicked in for the playoffs  :grin:

Don't limit yourself to cake, pie is also great.

This is mindblowing

Open up a can of worms and look what comes out! Yikes!  :awesome_for_real:

The league will keep going as long as you want it to Falc, don't worry about that. Most of us love it and will play regardless.

In fact, I prefer a nice slice of pie.

Slightly smaller than the balls it takes to backpedal one page after explicitly singling him out.

Unless "If he wins again, I doubt I'll play next season if he's still in the league. It's not the kind of f13 gaming I want to be a part of." is directed at some general group I'm not aware of.

If you want to back out graciously, I am 100% for it. But don't lie just because people were pretty content to obliquely point out that your harping on things is a bigger problem than Andy. Or drogg now, I guess, because you lost 4-0.

Also, it's a conversation between you and someone else when it's in PM. If you want to do this in private, I suggest you, you know, do it in private.

 :popcorn:

I sort of like the Orcs I have in the feeder league. If anyone I meet in the fail-offs is up for it, I propose a DEATHMATCH. Whoever loses must delete their team. Bring it.

You're on. I will actually delete Team Snoosnoo, not just retire them for a season or two, if I lose to you.


Assuming we play.

 :ye_gods:

Looks like it'll have to be the finals. I'm looking forward to it. Tell Freight Train Joe to say his goodbyes.  :drill:

He has a gun in his mouth already.

I'll put the same offer Bann has. Who wants in?

Could be a SnooSnoo/Necco matchup in round 2 of failoffs.  COUNT ME IN.  :drill:

This is what I like to see. Serious, hardcore stakes. Three seasons of Snoosnoo, potentially dead.

Rarely does a thread go from  :uhrr: to :drill: so fast.

I aim to please.

Don't

Season 2 MVP, BALEETED!  I am really trying to force my own hand here, as I know I will be tempted to play a 4th season with the necros if I don't delete them.  Win or lose, Whitemane and the skilled zombie horde are making their last appearance.

Having a nurgle feeder team that has a beast with block makes this a lot easier, of course.

Drama, we're soaking in it.

That's urine.

They taste much the same.  :awesome_for_real:

So, how do you know what urine tastes like?

Who doesn't know what urine tastes like? What, are you some sort of freak?

Honestly given our general history of flaming each other combined with the competitive nature of the game it is a wonder we haven't had more drama than just this.  :why_so_serious:

Anyway. Assuming I don't get Khemri'd, I promise to beat Andy in round 2 and spare you all the horror of a repeat.  :heart:

(http://gnarr.brotherlove.net/wight.png)

Ingmar, you almost tied against a bunch of feverish sick amazons (and a damn lazy wizard who fell asleep in turn 15). How do you think you can beat a bunch of genetically modified and almost certainly doped Dark Elves?

Look, honest to God... I'm a mellow guy. But two things set me off: tribalism and tediousness, and the jump AndyDavo thing for months on end combined both of them in an explosive mix. It also revealed that I don't much care for Sky, but that may have more to do with him inexplicably dumping on one of my best RL friends for no reason.* But even then, it won't affect the league. I'll just foul him harder.


*Yeah, sorry, I watched the replay. Zero reason to be upset.

Overtime.   :why_so_serious:

Which replay? The me and Norse one?

I'm not deleting my Chaos team. The whole point was to fail for an entire season before I got somewhere!  :awesome_for_real:

You have to keep a Chaos team at least two seasons before big dividends pay off. I don't know if I could ever bring myself to delete a decent Chaos team.

@Andy: The Sky v Drogg match from Day 5.

You should probably at least delete the -str guy!

Well yeah, when i get the cash.

To get us back on track, maybe, my pick for the final 4:

Llyse, Megrim, Ingmar, and a surprise upset from Carnifex.

I wouldn't even wait for the cash.  It's better to dump him now if he is dead weight and could eat up an MVP.  Or maybe I run the Presidents with too much of an iron fist.

I have nothing of substance to add to this thread but I just want to say I think you are all awsome and am very grateful to be a part of this crazy blood bowl league thingy- Blood for the Blood God! Damn me for picking lizards!

Thank you Falc for running all this and validating games so quickly.

If anyone is able to post on goonfleet.com, I'm trying to start a league on there in the games forum. I know IainC already posted his interest in joining. Mostly because after my horrible end to the season I expect to be out of the play offs by tomorrow.

My Season 2 Girls WILL be back for Season 5. I have too many girls with no skills still.

I already broke your star Thrower, so it's like you already have one foot in the grave, amirite?  :grin:

Naw, he's okay. He just missed the one game.

I'm making the switch to Goblins next season, anyway. I just want a spicy farewell tour.

What? I thought I broke his arm...and doesn't strength influence pass ability, or is that ever only AGI?

Yeah, that's right, I don't know the passing mechanics very well...probably because I've only ever tried to pass maybe 3 times.

You may have but I think I blew an apoth on him. He's fine.

Passing is only ever agility.

Teleku, Ruvaldt, Andy & Me in the semis. So shall it be!

I'm demanding Teleku's team be crippled after that win he pulled off against me. Someone avenge me!

You already DID cripple my team for that victory!

There is no amount of punishment which will satisfy me.

We'll see soon enough. The only two undefeated teams face off!

Sorry if I offended you in our game, Sky. I could tell you were upset, and I tried to lighten the mood with some dumb jokes. I sincerely apologize if there was something I said that made you feel worse. I tried to talk to you afterward to clear the air but you immediately logged off steam.

That said, I really don't think I played our game in a particularly petty way. I didn't let up on you after your initial bad rolls, but you very quickly stopped trying to win or even slow me down. My choices were to similarly disengage or to try and win while skilling up my team.  Since we're playing blood bowl in a persistent setting, I decided on the latter.

I know having bad dice sucks. Sometimes when it happens to me I get all passive aggressive or otherwise obnoxious in game chat, and a lot of times after a really devastating loss I have to sulk and drink and do something non-competitive. That said, I feel like it's unfair to blame me for the game not being fun when you stop trying to play it halfway through.

I would've PMed you this but I wanted to publicly challenge this idea of me as a ruthless asshole. I really am a nice guy, honest! I play a halfling team in the feeder league!

"Running up the score" is not something anyone should ever bitch about in Blood Bowl. Like it or not the game is designed such that you should pretty much be doing it any chance you get due to the SPP system. Likewise with clean turn 16 hits, etc. The only grey area IMO is the late game foul/surf, and even those are often pretty defensible.

I don't think I did many fouls in the sky match, but I'm not in a place where I can watch the replay to be sure. Would love some more opinions on our match if anyone has the time to watch it.

Listen. I'm over it. Sorry I brought up the whole thing. Move on, these aren't the droids you're looking for. Let it go, everyone. I have.

Last night you're calling me a ruthless prick and saying you're done with me and now we're fine? I'm so confused :| but okay. Water under the bridge.

I would defy anyone to watch the replay of the game in question and find a single untoward thing drogg did. The dice were extremely unkind to Sky but them's the breaks. There was one foul I counted in the entire game and it was very early. One crowdsurf the entire game.

And Sky, really here... you don't precisely get to single people out and then call someone a ruthless prick and then go OH GOD GUYS WHY ARE YOU KEEPING THIS ALIVE?!?

You can at least apologize. Or fade away saying nothing. But coming in and asking everyone to forget you acting like a tool without either of those happening? No, sorry, you don't get to do that.

...no, have the cake.

Quit acting like a bunch of high school girls.

Just to piggyback on this...

I'm aware that I might do this sometimes too possibly, like when non-block teams are making a lot of 1d blocks on me and such. Just to be clear, I don't mean it...it's a damn game. It's more surprise than anything else. :grin:

Also, I sometimes regret not running up the injuries/game on folks but...meh, I'll live, and I'd rather people enjoy playing than be miserable while I garner a bit more SPP.

Oh, I like to scream and yell about the dice all through the game.  Its therapeutic for me.  Hopefully its not annoying for anybody, I just need to do it. :awesome_for_real: 

I don't think I've played a single game this season sober.

I try to invent new swears just for the goddamn dice. If you don't like swearing, you'd better never look at the Blood Bowl chat box when you play me, unless I'm winning. I am the world's biggest dice bitch. But those who have been on the good end of my normally atrocious rolls will likely understand and sympathize.

I just sigh and mope a lot. :(

I hide my pain with LOLs and sarcasm.

I don't know what I was thinking, picking a bunch of elves over Comstar's amazons -- and watching Ruvaldt's game was a bit of a heartbreaker (why did you run the ball carrier there, instead of two squares over next to the sideline!) But evidently some revision is in order:

Megrim's team is too green to stop Comstar, barring some sort of Jordell-inspired madness, and I have more trouble imagining Llyse choking against Strazos than Ruvaldt. The other half of the bracket remains unchanged, sadly.

So Comstar vs. Llyse and Me vs. AndyDavo in the semis, and then a championship matchup between me and Comstar -- where the dice will hopefully stay out of it long enough to give him a shot at revenge.

Fuck.   :heartbreak:

Yeah, that was a huge mistake.  Against Norse and Necro teams I avoid the sidelines more than I should.  Time to drink.

I rolled a normal skill on my level 5 Blitzer - she got Tackle, to go along with 4 ST, Blodge, Dodge, Mighty Blow and Sidestep. No Dodgy Elf is going to escape her next time (to be fair, I rolled a lot of POW's with her vs the dodgy Wood Elves).

I also rolled a +1ST with the lineswomen who just has dodge. I was going to give her Dirty Player/Sneaky Git, but the 4 ST will be useful I suspect.  So I have 2 +1ST, 4 +1MV and 1 +1AG.

The High Elves i think will play a lot like the Wood Elves did, but after a few causalities I was always able to mark any deep running elves with 2-3 Amazon's on all sides, so they never had a chance to go for a pass. However, they will have 500+ inducements, so they could get Morg'n'Thorg, or Jordell and a wizard or two. With my full 13 girl lineup back for the match, the Elves need some reserves to be able to get through, and heavy hitter to go for the ball in place of any some Wardancers. Personally, I don't understand why they decided to give +1 Armour to a random lineelf, I would have taken the movement myself.

So, I'm contemplating whether to bring 7 Deadly into Season 5. I really like Lizards conceptually but I think their playstyle may not be for me. Their development is just so terrible that at my now higher-than-average TV I feel totally outclassed by other teams of similar value, and I'd kind of rather just play the game to win, like every other team can, without having to engage in the skink-deleting saurus-handing-off SPP gain metagame. On the other hand, if I reroll (thinking Skaven or Dwarves), I'd have to spend some time in the feeder league doing TV management anyway. Of course, my elves are already in the vicinity of 1250, maybe I'll just promote them.

Alternatively, I could stop blaming my team, suck up the fact that I'm not a running team and hire a Kroxigor, and practice until I learn to position my players properly.

Well Skaven and Dwarves are as pretty much different teams as you can get. Do you like punching things or do you like running around things. If you like doing things, play Elves - everyone can do everything! And if you like dodging away from everyone, try Amazons.  Or if it's having half the team being a big guy with high ST, Ogres.

Don't play Dwarves. They suck. They are also boring. And I hate entire teams with tackle. And slow. Did I mention they suck? No hilarity with Dwarves.

I know, right? ICE rolled SO many Defender Stumbles against my Skinks in our playoff game, and every time I was like "That's okay, I have dod--OH WAIT."

I liked making running plays with my Lizards back before everybody was skilled enough to shut me down, and I'm pretty sure I've been leveling my team entirely wrong for that - I guess you're supposed to take Break Tackle first on Sauruses? - which is why I was thinking Skaven. Was thinking Dwarves just because I've been feeling especially newbish lately and I'd like an easy-to-play team; that's probably not a very good reason though. I already tried Amazons; I played you with them back in Season 2. And I didn't even lose! I was a total newb though; I had no idea why 6 rerolls was a bad idea and then when I figured that out I retired the team because I didn't know you could throw away rerolls and I thought they would be permanently inflating my TV forever. Elves not because they look that great to me but because I've been doing surprisingly well with them in the feeder (4-0-3 so far but 2 of my losses were due to crash/DC while I was up on points) and I don't think the league has any Pro Elves.

Not trying Ogres outside of the Snotling league though. Definitely not that hardcore.

Depends on what you find hilarious. The dwarf passing game is pretty funny. :P

That said I don't think dwarves are a team for me, their slowness makes my traditional positioning fuck ups even more depressing.

Dwarves are great for minimizing risk/randomness. They're not so great for recovering from positioning errors, so in that sense they're not the easiest team in the world to play. They're still pretty easy though.

Dwarves are for people who hate dice, basically. Or I suppose a much smaller group of people -- people who think dwarves are cool. The first group is somewhat easier to understand, but in any case I hate playing dwarves -- all the interesting-situation-generation tends to come from the other team, while the dwarves just kind of dwarf-about being exactly what you expect them to be.

Ingmar did buy a deathroller though, so that's something.

I think dwarves are completely awesome. I have a dwarf fetish. I still don't know if I like playing them

 :mob:

Dwarves are cool and I'll fistfight anyone who says otherwise!  :why_so_serious:

Yes well obviously there is a tension in that even smaller group of people -- those who like dwarves but are not scared of randomness.

We don't generally hear from those people regarding Blood Bowl, however, as they are too busy playing Dwarf Fortress.

I was playing Dwarf Fortress yesterday!

With my shit dice rolling I officially hate randomness.

Dwarf Fortress is a UI upgrade away from nobody ever hearing from me again.