Tron Legacy

[Merusk]

It doesn't matter.  His older self is saying, "Fuck that guy I know the value of money and prestige."

[HaemishM]

Yeah, that.

[Furiously]

I'd like to see a younger self of anyone who didn't think their older self was a complete douche-bag.

Well - maybe other than a astronaut.

[Mattemeo]

I'd like to see a younger self of anyone who didn't think their older self was a complete douche-bag.

I've yet to meet anyone now who doesn't know their younger self was a complete douche-bag.

[Zaljerem]

Yeah, that.

[Ironwood]

My younger self and older self have solved that problem by being a continual douchebag and not being bothered about it.

Though my younger self would be shocked at my attitude these days.

[Chimpy]

Yeah, you do seem to be getting a teensy bit softer in your dotage 

[Merusk]

I figure it's the lack of daily interaction with workplace inanity that's caused it.  Workplaces provide much more rage fuel than the internet.

[NiX]

I figure it's the lack of daily interaction with workplace inanity that's caused it.  Workplaces provide much more rage fuel than the internet.

For me it's the opposite.

[Furiously]

Just got it on Netflix, I liked what it had to say, but I'm not sure they couldn't have done it a bit faster with a better plot.

[Slyfeind]

After watching it again last night, I totally appreciate the time they took with it. Shit moves too fast in movies these days. Damn kids!

[SurfD]

After watching it again last night, I totally appreciate the time they took with it. Shit moves too fast in movies these days. Damn kids!

You know, I suddenly had a mental image of you, in your late 90's, in a Cranky Old Man Chair waving a cane about, reminiscing about the good ole days, when Crank was a slow paced movie.

[Minvaren]

Wow, this thread went everywhere and back...

I finally got to see this today.  I enjoyed it.  Few niggles, bit cliche at points, but overall they did a pretty good job with it.

Must have been a blast in IMAX...

[Surlyboi]

Absolutely was. The 3D was less that gimmicky, in-your-face bullshit and more there to give depth to the world.

[Yegolev]

Watched, enjoyed.  Too bad I can't remember shit about the first movie, else I'd have enjoyed it even more I think.

My mental image of the original TRON:
Jeff Bridges disintegrates an orange.
Jeff Bridges disintegrates himself.
Jeff and Scarecrow fight some shit.
Woman from Caddyshack.
Scenes from my last play of Tank Universal.

Where did the fucking orange go?

[Merusk]

They brought it back like 30 seconds after they disintigrated it.  You catch it happening on a monitor in the background while Bridges is talking to Caddyshack woman and Grandpa from the Lost Boys.

You also forgot Bridges, Scarecrow and Billly the Kid (from Bill & Ted) race ultra cool motorcycles.

[Yegolev]

Oh right.  Disc fights, too.  Somehow I only remember that fucking arcade game, which again makes me wonder why I played Snake so much on my old Nokia phone back in 1998.

I think the problem is that I was nerd-angry about curved light-bike trails, then I watched the new movie and the old memories have been stomped.

[apocrypha]

Tron came out in 1982, when I was 13, and I loved it.

If I'd been 13 when I watched Tron: Legacy I might not have thought it was a heap of tedious, unimaginative bullshit with Disney stamped through it like a stick of rock.

Bag'o'shite.

[Yegolev]

Yep, too old and cranky.  I enjoy movies mostly because I refuse to bring my adult brain to most of them.  I save the thinking for games.

[apocrypha]

You're like my evil twin. 

[KallDrexx]

I just saw this and I really couldn't really get engaged in the movie.  It just felt off, and didn't really explain some things that really matter. 

They tried to make Zuse out to be this largely cunning criminal mastermind and horribly failed at that, why would Kevin Flynn (who knows his identity disk is extremely critical) leave it exposed on his back, instead of just putting his robe over it instead of under it (there are ways he could keep access to it without having it exposed on his back), the fight scene in Zuse' club turned around all of a sudden when Kevin showed up but didn't really explain why, if Kevin is able to change programs to listen to him (like he did in the flight hanger) why didn't he just keep doing that all time he was trapped and start a revolt and get some allies, why did Kevin all of a sudden have superpowers at the end to drag Clu back when in reality all he had to do was use those superpowers to knock him off the fucking ledge and go with them to the real world (if Clu could use the master disc to take his army back, I'm sure Sam could use it to bring all 3 of them back), they gave no reference for Tron to start having doubts and take back control of his body and it ended up seeming completely random and out of the blue, etc..

I mean the visuals were good (except the last scene where Clu was being pulled away from the portal, the CGI there was terrible), and I would have liked to see it on an IMAX, but I found the story lacking in many regards.

[Ratman_tf]

They tried to make Zuse out to be this largely cunning criminal mastermind and horribly failed at that, why would Kevin Flynn (who knows his identity disk is extremely critical) leave it exposed on his back, instead of just putting his robe over it instead of under it (there are ways he could keep access to it without having it exposed on his back), the fight scene in Zuse' club turned around all of a sudden when Kevin showed up but didn't really explain why, if Kevin is able to change programs to listen to him (like he did in the flight hanger) why didn't he just keep doing that all time he was trapped and start a revolt and get some allies, why did Kevin all of a sudden have superpowers at the end to drag Clu back when in reality all he had to do was use those superpowers to knock him off the fucking ledge and go with them to the real world (if Clu could use the master disc to take his army back, I'm sure Sam could use it to bring all 3 of them back), they gave no reference for Tron to start having doubts and take back control of his body and it ended up seeming completely random and out of the blue, etc..

I mean the visuals were good (except the last scene where Clu was being pulled away from the portal, the CGI there was terrible), and I would have liked to see it on an IMAX, but I found the story lacking in many regards.

How is any of that worse than, say, Star Trek, which got much accoldades from fans and critics despite not making half a lick of sense, plotwise?
I'm not saying those aren't valid observations, but really, it's got very little to do with how good a movie it was.

[LK]

It is understandably frustrating when critical plot developments rely on illogical, irrational actions. Gotta let it slide and enjoy the big picture.

[Hoax]

I came in with expectations so low I couldn't be disappointed but I thought it was decent, saw it last week. It felt labored in telling the story but overall I sort of wished I'd seen it on the big screen.

[stu]

It was truly a spectacle in IMAX, with the seats rumbling from the bass out of the speakers. As much as I want to pick this up on blu-ray, I'll probly pass so I don't ruin my memory. Far from perfect but I'll generally buy in to products that try to be a little different from the rest of the pack.

[Furiously]

The Black Hole poster on the young Kevin Flynn's bedroom wall was pure win.

[KallDrexx]

How is any of that worse than, say, Star Trek, which got much accoldades from fans and critics despite not making half a lick of sense, plotwise?
I'm not saying those aren't valid observations, but really, it's got very little to do with how good a movie it was.

Dunno, I don't watch Star Trek :P.  I remember enjoying the one Next Generation borg movie many eons ago, but I was also 13 or so at the time.  I can usually shut off my brain for movies (like the Mummy) but for some reason these things were annoying me in Tron, probably because it felt like it was trying to portray itself as something bigger (with a lot of religious connotations) than it really was.

[Speedy Cerviche]

It was truly a spectacle in IMAX, with the seats rumbling from the bass out of the speakers. As much as I want to pick this up on blu-ray, I'll probly pass so I don't ruin my memory. Far from perfect but I'll generally buy in to products that try to be a little different from the rest of the pack.

Yeah. I saw it 3 times on IMAX and would never watch it on a TV, it would completely spoil it.

I don't get all the criticism. The plot wasn't that bad at all, had some decent philosophy and twists that kept you gripped, and in no way bored you. I don't see all the holes...

-Flynn didn't protect his disk well enough? cmon
-Flynn changing the fight. Well he wasn't protrayed as being incredibly physically powerful (or he couldn't use it, because as they explained, Clu fed off his power), but did have some power and the awe of a jedi-gandalf character which the programs seemed to have some respect for as the creator. His entry was a turning point just as the friendly programs were gaining the upper hand anyways.
-The mind trick didn't seem simple to do, took focus. He couldn't just walk in an hypnotize a room instantly with his eyes.
-He pulled Clu in by initiating his remerger (which supposedly killed him)
-Tron did begin to show signs after his first encounter with Kevin Flynn

Overall the movie was just great to watch on IMAX. An action movie that was just a fantastic aesthetic experience, between the unique visual theme and environments and the awesome daft punk score, it was a feast for the senses. The plot in no way detracted from the experience. It had decent pacing, characters, twistsm explanations, and the holes are really overblown. People who skipped this on IMAX missed a real treat.

[Yegolev]

Dunno, I don't watch Star Trek :P.

I believe Ratman meant the J.J. Abrams Star Trek, which was fucking awesome and also full of "wtfplot" moments.

[Bunk]

I enjoyed it a lot on a visual level and for the sheer spectical.

If we are going to talk about plot holes - a realtively minor one really annoyed me:
 - Flynn is going to the arcade every night to visit the Grid
 - He comes home the same night/next morning
 - So how the hell is the exit from the grid 30 miles away from the entry point, on top of a fucking mountain?

Did he spend his entire time there just traveling to the exit every time he logged in?

[Mrbloodworth]

That was the LAST IO port, not the only.

[Ratman_tf]

I believe Ratman meant the J.J. Abrams Star Trek, which was fucking awesome and also full of "wtfplot" moments.

Yep. I personally thought it was the worst movie I've seen in the past decade, but it did really well. And I've never had someone who liked it deny that the plot was terribad.

[Ironwood]

Oh come on.  Wasn't that bad.

[Ratman_tf]

Oh come on.  Wasn't that bad.

Yeah it was. I regret missing it in the theater and buying the DVD. I should have waitied until it was on cable.

The only good thing I can say about that film is that the cast and crew seemed to have fun making it.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Oh god, the hyperbole....