Job thread

[Ironwood]

Usually the previous two employers until things get finalized.

Or a mate on the inside.

I'm told.

[Mithas]

I've got a decent network so I'll be able to find plenty of references. I know I could use my boss as one as well. He really is not the problem in this situation. We've talked about it before and he would totally understand if I decided to look. I really don't want to leave the place, it works out well for me right now. I'm just hoping to move within the next 2 years, have another kid, plus my wife is back in school now. $5k hurts. The odd thing here is that the upper management explicitly told him that if I started looking they would review my situation and talk about raises.

[Merusk]

The very fact that the execs said, "let us know" says that they know exactly what they're doing and seeing how much crap you'll take. This is only the first step.

[Mithas]

I know. It is odd that they are willing to give me a raise/title change, but only if I'm thinking about leaving. Just give me the damn thing if you are willing to. They are notoriously stingy here with salaries though.

[Lantyssa]

Same situation here, which is why I'm looking.  (On top of other work issues.)

[Ironwood]

You fucking hate your work and have for ages. 

[Lantyssa]

Yep.  The only saving grace is working three hours away while pretty much ignoring them beyond basics now.  They're too busy running the company into the ground for me to care.  I'm milking it after all the shit they put me through.

[lamaros]

Can you not just say that no, you are not looking for another job an like your workplace, but that you are keen to 'get on' and would like more opportunity.

[Yegolev]

I'd definitely word it like that.  Make certain everyone knows you are looking to move upward with your career and let them put two and two together if they can't give you what you want.

[Phildo]

Usually the previous two employers until things get finalized.

Unfortunately, this doesn't help my current situation since this is my first real job on the career path and as good a recommendation as I can get from my previous retail employers, it would probably look bad on my resume if I didn't have at least one reference from the tech industry.  Sigh.

[Reg]

Can't the goons write you a reference as an expert Titan Pilot?

[Ironwood]

Usually the previous two employers until things get finalized.

Unfortunately, this doesn't help my current situation since this is my first real job on the career path and as good a recommendation as I can get from my previous retail employers, it would probably look bad on my resume if I didn't have at least one reference from the tech industry.  Sigh.

Most bosses would appreciate your position and not bother much.  A simple 'references available on request' usually does the trick.

In all honesty, over here, references are mostly a thing of the past.  Truly.

[Mithas]

Yeah I actually haven't had a reference called in years. I generally don't include them in anything unless it is an actual paper application where they have boxes to fill out.

[Yegolev]

I think references are mostly dead.  I've handed out a bad one but otherwise haven't seen any.

[Chimpy]

I think references are mostly dead.  I've handed out a bad one but otherwise haven't seen any.

Depends on where you are applying. Jobs here at the university require at least three references listed and they have to contact at least two of them before making an offer.

[Yegolev]

I think references are mostly dead.  I've handed out a bad one but otherwise haven't seen any.

Depends on where you are applying. Jobs here at the university require at least three references listed and they have to contact at least two of them before making an offer.

I definitely was referring to modern companies, not archaic feudal systems based on tradition and fealty.

[Merusk]

You forgot gladiatorial combat in that listing.

[Strazos]

Um, we pretty much live on references when make position offers. And in my division, not only do we require "360 reviews" (a minimum number of references from supervisors, colleagues, and subordinates), but folks will usually hunt down folks the candidate worked with in previous opinions to get any possible dirt.

I know this is not normal.

[KallDrexx]

I've gotten several calls from companies and recruiters using me as a reference for colleagues.

[Rendakor]

A lot of security gigs still take references very seriously. I got called on one from a friend of a friend, because when they call each person, they ask if they know anyone else who knows Person_X.

[Viin]

References have worked to my advantage so far. If an employer is on the fence about hiring you, nothing helps like a past manager telling them that you shouldn't be passed up!

[Phildo]

Can't the goons write you a reference as an expert Titan Pilot?

I have unironically mentioned my Eve Online experience in several job interviews.  Managing anonymous nerds on the internet is valuable experience.

[shiznitz]

My boss told me that he would appreciate a heads up if I was thinking about moving on. He isn't a total dick and I don't expect him to fuck me over if I tell him I am thinking about looking elsewhere. Do I tell my boss I am thinking about leaving or should I just look and keep it quiet?

Telling them is a rookie mistake, although I don't know if you are really a rookie in any sense of the word.  What is the upside for you?  The company is only thinking about the upside for it.  Take your time, find a job that pays better and then tell your boss you have a better offer.  When he asks what it is add 10%.  If they won't match that, then walk.

That said, you never want to switch jobs to get away from something.  You want to switch jobs because the new one offers something you don't have.

[RhyssaFireheart]

So the husband had an in-person interview last week with the district mgr of the bank, which he said went really well.  They told him he'd know by the end of this week about the position.  They called him yesterday and said they were going with an internal candidate for the location he was interviewing for, but that mgr was moving from another location and and that bank would now need a mgr, was he interested?  They needed to post the position internally for a week but then all he had to do was then go online to indicate he was applying for second!location position, no need for another interview since both locations were under the same DM.

I'm taking that as good news but he's been so close several times before that it's hard to be positive.  So by the end of next week maybe something good will happen; it's been over a year now.

[Reg]

Good luck! I hope it works out.

[Selby]

They called him yesterday and said they were going with an internal candidate for the location he was interviewing for, but that mgr was moving from another location and and that bank would now need a mgr, was he interested?  They needed to post the position internally for a week but then all he had to do was then go online to indicate he was applying for second!location position, no need for another interview since both locations were under the same DM.

Totally awesome, so he can watch THAT position as well go to another internal "not as qualified" candidate too!

Sorry, I'm jaded and bitter about his experience over the last year as I've been following the saga and hoping he gets a job.  I did this for like 5 jobs when I was unemployed too and it hacked me off to no end, especially when a company paid to fly me out there and stay a few days to get to know the team, only to go with an internal candidate.

[RhyssaFireheart]

They called him yesterday and said they were going with an internal candidate for the location he was interviewing for, but that mgr was moving from another location and and that bank would now need a mgr, was he interested?  They needed to post the position internally for a week but then all he had to do was then go online to indicate he was applying for second!location position, no need for another interview since both locations were under the same DM.

Totally awesome, so he can watch THAT position as well go to another internal "not as qualified" candidate too!

Sorry, I'm jaded and bitter about his experience over the last year as I've been following the saga and hoping he gets a job.  I did this for like 5 jobs when I was unemployed too and it hacked me off to no end, especially when a company paid to fly me out there and stay a few days to get to know the team, only to go with an internal candidate.

Yeah, he's lost a few to internal candidates in the past, too.  It does suck.  There was one that we thought he totally had in the bag and then suddenly an internal candidate appeared. 

[Yegolev]

That's even shittier when the internal guy would have had extra time to get his shit together and land the spot before it went external.

[Hawkbit]

I lost a job once to someone who quit their job to move to a new city, moved, decided she didn't like the city and moved back two weeks later.  I already had the interview to be her replacement because it was posted internally, they said yes to me but didn't do the paperwork yet.  Over the damn weekend she moved back and they just took her back like she never left. 

I get why they did it, but I was super-pissed at the time.  I think that was when I started to look elsewhere; I wasn't there but a few months after that. 

[Merusk]

That's even shittier when the internal guy would have had extra time to get his shit together and land the spot before it went external.

Depends on the company, but several I've been with don't list jobs internally prior to external listings. They drop the listing on both groups at the same time, "in the name of fairness."  I guess because promoting from within is somehow a bad idea?

[Yegolev]

That also depends on the company.  Might be full of shitheads.  Or the owner is incompetent.  Probably the second one.

[Viin]

Mostly it goes like this "no one internal would qualify for this position, as if! Post it externally! Oh Bob in (other dept) wants it? HA! He's not qualified! Oh this qualified guy wants a decent salary? And Bob would be more than happy to take the job for 0/3/5% raise? Well shit, I don't think that position is that important anyways, lets just give it to Bob and save us some money"

[Rasix]

I love audits.  

"Why didn't you do this? We're going to get reamed and it's all your fault!!!!"
"You could have told me this 3 years ago, when I started doing it this way and you were perfectly fine with it."
Repeat until I apologize due to fatigue.

The support for doing this will completely evaporate once the audit has passed and it'll go back to expecting something while doing nothing to enable it.  

[grebo]

Question for you good internationally working type folks.

My brother recently completed his doctorate and got a job teaching at Leydon in The Netherlands.  I was insanely jealous. 

Just went to visit him, also spent a week in Paris, I'm now more insanely jealous.

Any advice on how I go about looking into if it's feasible to look for work over there?  Just go on Indeed?  use a recruiter?  Anyone have any specific recruiter recommendations?

[Nebu]

I'd like to know as well.  I'd give my left arm for a faculty position in Europe.