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Trippy
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I don't know whether to put Blizzard or Bethesda at the top of my AAA death pool.
My vote would be Bethesda/ZeniMax. Blizzard is a much more valuable company than Bethesda so that plus Blizzard's much larger fan-base means their slide into non-relevance is going to take much longer. Edit: added quote, new page
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« Last Edit: December 23, 2018, 05:23:20 PM by Trippy »
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Rendakor
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But this is Bethesda Austin.
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"i can't be a star citizen. they won't even give me a star green card"
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Trippy
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I can't find the quote where Todd Howard more specifically talks about all the teams involved with Fallout 76 but here he claims Fallout 76 is their biggest effort to date -- i.e. it took a total company-wide effort to bring out a game so bad -- not just Bethesda Austin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-3X04jwJ0U&t=2m30s (skip to 2 min, 30 secs)
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Rendakor
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True, but in that very interview he says that Starfield or whatever is currently in production in a playable state (while TES6 is in pre-production), so I'm hoping that the main team has been working on that with the B team plus whoever was free working on FO76.
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"i can't be a star citizen. they won't even give me a star green card"
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ajax34i
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... left with Obsidian and CD Project Red as my only hopes for Western RPGs.
Obsidian has been bought by Microsoft.
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Draegan
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Blizzard will die a slow death over the years since they have so many properties that continue to bring in money currently. They launch new products so slowly that the only damaged one is just Diablo at this point because of their latest stunt.
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Trippy
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All they need to do, though, is announce Diablo II: Reborn, and all will be forgiven.
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schild
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And yet they have not.
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Trippy
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Yeah unfortunately the earliest they would likely announce it would be after Warcraft III: Reforged is released meaning sometime mid-next year and based on the timing from announcement to (likely) release of the StarCraft and WarCraft III remasters of around 6 months would put the earliest release date of Diablo II: Reborn at the end of next year.
Edit: on further reflection the delay between announcement and release of Diablo II: Reborn wouldn't need to be so long given it doesn't have a multi-player PvP element that needs extensive beta testing like they did for SC:HD and are planning for WCIII:HD. However given the lack of need for a (semi)-public beta I also wouldn't put it past Blizzard to pull an Apple-like stunt where they announce the game and also make it available the same day. And the most obvious time to do that would be BlizzCon 2019 which again puts us near the end of the year.
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« Last Edit: December 26, 2018, 11:35:18 AM by Trippy »
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Setanta
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Blizzard will die a slow death over the years since they have so many properties that continue to bring in money currently. They launch new products so slowly that the only damaged one is just Diablo at this point because of their latest stunt.
HotS has always struggled and Blizzard copped a backlash from those that enjoyed it when they pulled support for tournaments, SC2 is in maintenance with no future outlined, WoW's xpac was another terribad release. That leaves Hearthstone and Overwatch and HS is on mobile. Blizzard is not the Blizzard of old. I am looking forward to Warcraft 3 remastered - I hope they just update it and not mess with it too much
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Comstar
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... left with Obsidian and CD Project Red as my only hopes for Western RPGs.
Obsidian has been bought by Microsoft. Prediction- they will be dead within 4 years. Maybe 5.
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Defending the Galaxy, from the Scum of the Universe, with nothing but a flashlight and a tshirt. We need tanks Boo, lots of tanks!
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Draegan
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Blizzard will die a slow death over the years since they have so many properties that continue to bring in money currently. They launch new products so slowly that the only damaged one is just Diablo at this point because of their latest stunt.
HotS has always struggled and Blizzard copped a backlash from those that enjoyed it when they pulled support for tournaments, SC2 is in maintenance with no future outlined, WoW's xpac was another terribad release. That leaves Hearthstone and Overwatch and HS is on mobile. Blizzard is not the Blizzard of old. I am looking forward to Warcraft 3 remastered - I hope they just update it and not mess with it too much I don't disagree that Blizzard is not Blizzard of decades past, but they are still bringing in cash from all their properties. They are popular enough that they have staying power throughout the years and will all slowly dwindle over time until Blizzard dies off because they haven't made a good game in a very long time. The games are still popular though. Hearthstone is #6 on twitch right now. Overwatch is #10. WOW is #13. WC and SC are top 50. Heroes of the Storm (people still play this?) has almost no one watching. They aren't anywhere near dead. They are just not a behemoth anymore or a company that has any innovation attached to it.
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« Last Edit: December 27, 2018, 05:38:50 AM by Draegan »
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Soulflame
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Blizzard never really did innovation. They took innovation from elsewhere, built games around those innovations, and polished those games until they were great experiences.
Now Blizzard is being run by accountants. That never works out well in the long run.
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Draegan
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Blizzard never really did innovation. They took innovation from elsewhere, built games around those innovations, and polished those games until they were great experiences.
Now Blizzard is being run by accountants. That never works out well in the long run.
Diablo and WC/SC had plenty of innovation. Even WOW, once they stole all the EQ idea, innovated enough to make it a "mass market" game that it became. It's just Hearthstone, Overwatch and HoTS that's been ass.
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Father mike
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Diablo was innovative, but it came from another studio that was absorbed to make Blizzard North.
Warcraft really wasn't all that innovative, unless mashing Dune II together with Warhammer counts as innovation.
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Riggswolfe
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... left with Obsidian and CD Project Red as my only hopes for Western RPGs.
Obsidian has been bought by Microsoft. Prediction- they will be dead within 4 years. Maybe 5. This looks better than the last few RPGs from any company other than CD Project Red over the last few years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGLTgt0EEqc
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Trippy
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The Outer Worlds is a Take-Two published (via Private Division) game -- not Microsoft.
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schild
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The Outer Worlds is a Take-Two published (via Private Division) game -- not Microsoft.
But still an Obsidian game.
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Sir T
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What Blizzard has is nostalgia and a hell of a lot of product forgiveness. If any other company had released Diablo III it would have been laughed off the store shelves and would have sunk without a ripple, but blizzard is allowed a 5th chance to get it right.
And the first part of Starcraft II was pretty popular, but the second part was given a resounding "eeeeehhhhh" and the Protoss part was ignored completely. Frankly, they aren't exactly making massively good games anymore, nor good stories. just running through a cycle of polishing their old licensees a bit, one after another, and watching the money come in.
You might say that Overwatch was a good game, and it certainly was a new Blizzard property, but Overwatch had a massive and I mean MASSIVE publicity push before launch, and that included them releasing the models with enough detail to allow Porn Machima to be made. And there were definitely better examples of the genre around but they were starved into extinction because Blizzard.\
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schild
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What Blizzard has is nostalgia and a hell of a lot of product forgiveness. If any other company had released Diablo III it would have been laughed off the store shelves and would have sunk without a ripple, but blizzard is allowed a 5th chance to get it right. This is just absolutely wrong. If anyone else released Diablo 3 they'd all be very rich. Also, we'd all be looking at Blizzard like "Well, comeon assholes." Just like we are now. Edit: However, had anyone else released Fallout 76:
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« Last Edit: December 29, 2018, 10:29:31 AM by schild »
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Riggswolfe
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What Blizzard has is nostalgia and a hell of a lot of product forgiveness. If any other company had released Diablo III it would have been laughed off the store shelves and would have sunk without a ripple, but blizzard is allowed a 5th chance to get it right. This is just absolutely wrong. If anyone else released Diablo 3 they'd all be very rich. Also, we'd all be looking at Blizzard like "Well, comeon assholes." Just like we are now. Edit: However, had anyone else released Fallout 76: Diablo 3 was shit. WoW was fun at launch but is just creaking along now. Starcraft 2 was 1/3rd of a good game and was made mostly to addict Korean E-sports people. Overwatch is the only game in the last decade I'd call a success that Blizzard has done. Any other company would be teetering on being dissolved and I suspect if it wasn't for WoW money hats Blizzard would be bankrupt already.
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"We live in a country, where John Lennon takes six bullets in the chest, Yoko Ono was standing right next to him and not one fucking bullet! Explain that to me! Explain that to me, God! Explain it to me, God!" - Denis Leary summing up my feelings about the nature of the universe.
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schild
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Hearthstone is a massive success. Diablo 3 is one of the best-selling games of all time, and it kept selling after they patched out the stupid. Overwatch did... fine.
WoW was not fun at launch, it was garbage fetch quests and looked like poop. People are just crazy forgiving about MMOGs. That said, it was a giant bag of money as well.
Starcraft 2 also sold like crazy.
Everything they do is money hats. Diablo: Immortal probably will be also, even if it's the a clipping of satan's taint / actual spyware from china (i see no difference).
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Sir T
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That's like Microsoft saying that Windows Vista was the biggest selling OS if all time. Ya it's true, but its also shite. If Diablo III wasn't from Blizzard it would have sunk without a trace and everyone would have laughed at it.
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schild
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No matter how many ways you slice that, you're wrong. The ARPG fanbase is ravenous.
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Sir T
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DIII is not the whole ARPG market, and ARPGS have sunk without a ripple. Victor Vran, anyone?
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schild
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Here's the thing, Diablo 3 was never actively bad. The economy was a disaster at launch but the game was excellent. Victor Vran is and was garbage.
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Trippy
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DIII is not the whole ARPG market, and ARPGS have sunk without a ripple. Victor Vran, anyone?
We’re waiting for Lost Ark.
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Saying Diablo 3 was shit is silly. Disappointing at launch, because Diablo 2? Sure. Bad ARPG? Stop being silly.
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Rendakor
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D3 was broken at launch, due to the way loot worked and the existence of the AH. It's a much better game now, but without the Blizzard name I doubt it would have made enough money to turn itself around.
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Sir T
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D3 was broken at launch, due to the way loot worked and the existence of the AH. It's a much better game now, but without the Blizzard name I doubt it would have made enough money to turn itself around.
And that's my point.
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Hic sunt dracones.
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D3 was fucking retarded at launch. It punished you hard for playing with other people. It had really crippling network problems which weren't as bad as poe back then with their fucking rollback bs but was still bad. Honestly I never even recovered and got into D3 so I can barely remember all the ways it sucked but I'm damn sure it did. I was so excited for that game, probably the last massive I didn't see this coming gutpunch I've ever gotten in gaming. Now I just expect everything to be complete shit.
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schild
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DIII is not the whole ARPG market, and ARPGS have sunk without a ripple. Victor Vran, anyone?
We’re waiting for Lost Ark. we're never getting lost ark and it'll be crap anyway, i've given up on that instead I gave $15 space ducketts to the Wolcen idiots because fuckit
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Rendakor
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D3 was fucking retarded at launch. It punished you hard for playing with other people. It had really crippling network problems which weren't as bad as poe back then with their fucking rollback bs but was still bad. Honestly I never even recovered and got into D3 so I can barely remember all the ways it sucked but I'm damn sure it did. I was so excited for that game, probably the last massive I didn't see this coming gutpunch I've ever gotten in gaming. Now I just expect everything to be complete shit.
If it hadn't come out on Switch I would never have touched it again; as a mobile game it's pretty fun but the endgame is super repetitive so I lost interest pretty quickly.
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Draegan
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POE is better than ever. And more popular.
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I suggest that if anyone other than Blizz had released D3, it would not have had an auction house and shit loot drop rates. I believe it would have been closer to v2 than v1.
The ARPG fanbase is indeed ravenous.
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