Cataclysm

[Sjofn]

Elwynn is pretty similar, much like Teldrassil, it's just organised better. The gnome starter experience is all new though.

[Raguel]

Pirates > Ninjas. Just sayin'

What's the best resource for finding out which quests are no longer active? My paladin was supposed to go to the Silverpine Forest ages ago, but someone told me it's now a Horde zone.

[Rendakor]

It was always a horde zone, you probably just had a class quest there or something. I know the old Warlock quests LOVED sending you into opposition territory for your pets. For the specific quest, you could check wowhead.

[Ivanneth]

I rolled an undead last night to get the context for this screenshot. It's an interesting quest chain.

"Forsaken with elbows"  is chuckle worthy in a random, non sequitur way, but I still feel like I'm missing the joke. Is there a story behind this or is it just random silliness?

[DraconianOne]

It was always a horde zone, you probably just had a class quest there or something. I know the old Warlock quests LOVED sending you into opposition territory for your pets. For the specific quest, you could check wowhead.

I think I mentioned earlier but wowhead still seems to be trying to get its shit together as far as database goes. It's doing it quickly but still not right in places (eg currently lots of quests seem to be marked as class/race specific when they're blatantly not).

But yes, Silverpine has always been a Horde zone but both ally and horde paladins have a level 20 weapon quest needs a drop in SFK (The old Verigan's fist quest). It doesn't need drops from BFD or Deadmines anymore (BFD and RFC for Belf Pallys)

[Rendakor]

I did notice some sillyness with quests being flagged as class specific, but generally found that if a quest was marked "Removed From Game" or whatever, it really was.

[Lantyssa]

"Forsaken with elbows"  is chuckle worthy in a random, non sequitur way, but I still feel like I'm missing the joke. Is there a story behind this or is it just random silliness?

All Forsaken clothes have the elbows and knees ripped out.

[Ivanneth]

All Forsaken clothes have the elbows and knees ripped out.

Oh, it's a reference to clothing. DUH.

My reaction to it was "What is he talking about? Their arms bend. They have elbows."

[Chimpy]

"Forsaken with elbows"  is chuckle worthy in a random, non sequitur way, but I still feel like I'm missing the joke. Is there a story behind this or is it just random silliness?

All Forsaken clothes have the elbows and knees ripped out.

And they have no flesh (dessicated or no) on said joints.

[Polysorbate80]

I took the rocket from EPL to Fuselight-by-the-Sea, only to find that apparently you can't access the teleporter from there to the rest of the Badlands if you've already done the Fuselight quests.  With old-world flying in the game that would be a non-issue, but it was either hearth to Dalaran or pop a waterwalking potion and run around the coast to Blasted Lands or the new Twilight zone.  I chose the run.

[Ironwood]

Similarly, if you don't have quests, thousand needles is an exercise in futility.

[01101010]

"Forsaken with elbows"  is chuckle worthy in a random, non sequitur way, but I still feel like I'm missing the joke. Is there a story behind this or is it just random silliness?

All Forsaken clothes have the elbows and knees ripped out.

Just to reference the topic elsewhere. I may just live in Silverpine...

[Ironwood]

New Shadowfang sucks balls though.  Really, really not good.

[kildorn]

New Shadowfang sucks balls though.  Really, really not good.

I think it's just that the new bosses are a tad bullshit for their level range, mechanics wise.

Deadmines and Shadowfang got the level 80 instance complexity treatment, which is COOL, but not suited to their intended level range for newer players. The majority of the new boss abilities should be heroic mode only, imo.

[Ingmar]

It is never too early to learn to not stand in fire.

[Paelos]

It is never too early to learn to not stand in fire.

It's the only functional mechanic Blizzard has.

[kildorn]

It is never too early to learn to not stand in fire.

There's little fire to not stand in (first deadmines boss is pretty much it)

But shit like "take all party members to 1 health and then heal them to 30%" is a bit much and makes newer healers burn mana trying to heal everyone. Bullet storm is also a bit on the "by the time you've read the debuff, you're dead" at that level.

[Merusk]

For those fretting about the Deathwing achieve (like me) apparently he will be making fly-bys until the patch in which he becomes a raid boss.  So never fear, you have between 6 and 12 months to get charred.   It was posted on the WoW-Europe forums but I can't find a wow-europe dev tracker to confirm what my GL said (PLus MMO-Champs is giving me a parse error).

[Ingmar]

And presumably after that you can still get the achievement by dying to him in a raid, given that it is a real achievement and not a feat.

[Sjofn]

Bullet storm is also a bit on the "by the time you've read the debuff, you're dead" at that level.

It teaches people a valuable "If Blizzard actually puts a giant warning in by default about something, you probably need to fucking move" lesson!

[Merusk]

They took out the Battle for Undercity, I've just discovered on my mage.  This makes me sad.

[Rendakor]

It presented a difficult continuity issue; how do you help Thrall retake UC when he's not warchief anymore? They also removed several quests from Outland because they required you to interact with Thrall (Hero of the Mag'har in particular).

[Ingmar]

It presented a difficult continuity issue; how do you help Thrall retake UC when he's not warchief anymore? They also removed several quests from Outland because they required you to interact with Thrall (Hero of the Mag'har in particular).

I think there are some geographical changes in and around the Undercity, at least at the surface level, that would have meant redoing all the phasing, too.

[Raguel]

Thanks guys for the info re: Silverpine. I finally made the trek and was able to solo much of it until the last (?) boss. I was beginning to think I was unkillable :p

Btw, anyone have any swashes that need buckling? (I'm assuming the Booty Bay arc is new stuff too)

[Ashamanchill]

The lowbie undead quest where you pretend to be a quest giver is fucking hilarious.

Lol I was at a buddies place as he did this, and when he saw that orc douce flying in on his epic mount scream 'Can you smellllll what the Lok'Thar is cooking?!?!', he looked at me and was like 'Dude, that's YOU!!!'

 

Bastard!

Best quest ever!

[Ashamanchill]

It presented a difficult continuity issue; how do you help Thrall retake UC when he's not warchief anymore?

I dunno, Doc Brown and Kyle Reese show up to cajole you to do it?

[Sjofn]

Nonsense! Just get Chromie in there. Chromie fixes everything.

[Rendakor]

While I realize you're being silly, I really think they should move the whole of Outland and Northrend into the Caverns of Time until such a time when (if?) they can be given a few updates to make sense in the lorelol.

[Ashamanchill]

Nonsense! Just get Chromie in there. Chromie fixes everything.

Lore wise, Chromie is the shit lol. What made her extra special was the 'would you do her?' arguements that kept popping up in trade chat on my server.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Chromie is also a male dragon in female gnome form, FYI

[Sjofn]

While I realize you're being silly, I really think they should move the whole of Outland and Northrend into the Caverns of Time until such a time when (if?) they can be given a few updates to make sense in the lorelol.

I was only being half-silly, I would really prefer they do what you suggest myself. It's just such a huge mindfuck "oh God did I fall through a wormhole" thing. It's worse as Alliance, I think, since Outland was borderline "wtf" even when it was new for them.

[DraconianOne]

They took out the Battle for Undercity, I've just discovered on my mage.  This makes me sad.

I'm not so distressed by this. It was cool and I'm glad I did it but, quite honestly, the quest itself bored me. Yes, I'm fighting alongside Thrall and Sylvanas and yes, it's a major plot point but whether I fight or not, they're going to win and also, I'm buffed to the point of invincibility which means there's also no danger and even more minimal chance of death than normal. A cut scene would have been more involving.

I am saddened by the Hero of the Mag'har removal though because I had it on my "must get around to doing it" list and didn't at all clock that they'd be taking it out of the game. 

[Rendakor]

I'm with you there DraconianOne; the first time I did the Battle for UC I thought it was epic and cool. Every other time I was just bored. No risk, no reward (since you get no xp from the ton of shit you kill besides the turn-in at the end), etc.

I would've preferred it as a series of phased quests. Ditch all the buffs and simply have kill quests for the shit in each area. Once you clear the Courtyard, you walk with the NPCs to the next area and get the next quest, etc.

[caladein]

Having played Dun Morogh as a Dwarf up until it bugs out at the airstrip all the hubs are very well designed.  Breadcrumb in, do a couple of quests, breadcrumb to the next hub and repeat.

It's still a lot of bear ass collection (or its variants) but its kept fresh by moving you around or fun touches like getting launched out of... something or needing to collect your belongings before leaving the starter area.  The loot has also been nice: fresh icons and no clownsuit vibe at all.

I figure I'll save Westfall for another alt and keep on with the Dwarf stuff.

[Azazel]

New Shadowfang sucks balls though.  Really, really not good.

I think it's just that the new bosses are a tad bullshit for their level range, mechanics wise.

Deadmines and Shadowfang got the level 80 instance complexity treatment, which is COOL, but not suited to their intended level range for newer players. The majority of the new boss abilities should be heroic mode only, imo.

As level 15 dungeons, or level 80(85??) heroics? I had no problems running either as a complete noob tank - literally my first tanking for a group in WoW.