Cracks starting to show?

[Sjofn]

Shit, is THAT what happens once in a while when the entire damn instance comes to murder us all?

[Azuredream]

Impact spreading DoTs did that too. Not sure if it still does it.

[apocrypha]

I've seen that happen once I think. We had no idea what it was. Other than utterly hilarious.

[Setanta]

Harmlight Token is the culprit http://www.wowhead.com/item=63839/harmlight-token

Harmlight Token
Binds when picked up
Trinket   
+219 Intellect
Item Level 318
Equip: Your harmful spells have a chance to afflict your victim with Vengeful Wisp, which deals 1176 damage every 3 sec.  In addition, each time the Vengeful Wisp deals damage, it has a 10% chance to spread to a random nearby enemy.

Consecrate can do it too on the mid-level (pat with 2 panther's) in Bethekk's ziggurat in ZG - but I usually blame a DPS for it :D Bloody Trolls and holes in their walls.

[apocrypha]

Consecrate can do it too on the mid-level (pat with 2 panther's) in Bethekk's ziggurat in ZG - but I usually blame a DPS for it :D Bloody Trolls and holes in their walls.

Also seen Heroic Leap do it there too. You'd think dungeons as old as these are would have these bugs ironed out by now... 

[Dren]

Throne of Tides, Grim Batol, and Vortex Pinnacle are essentially what Dren was asking for....

You are right.  Although I tend to disagree on some of those instances you listed, some instances were fine.  That really doesn't matter when the other much much longer dungeons are thrown into the randomizer.  "Random" wasn't always feeling that way either.  Our regular "random" group in the guild would laugh in a not-so-happy way when we got Deadmines for the 4th night in a row.

Length, difficulty, "fun," are all factors in determining if you like the instances or not.  On top of that, with the random dungeon system, you have to make them all good, not just some.  Is that hard?  Hell yes, but it is what it is. 

[Merusk]

That really doesn't matter when the other much much longer dungeons are thrown into the randomizer.  "Random" wasn't always feeling that way either.  Our regular "random" group in the guild would laugh in a not-so-happy way when we got Deadmines for the 4th night in a row.

Their randomizer has been wonky for a while now.  At the start of WOTLK (back when you got the "Timear Forsees" quests) we went for 2 1/2 months on Alleria without seeing the one to do Constructs in HoS and nearly as long before getting the Mustard Dog daily cooking quest.  It had become a topic of humor in general and I finally submitted a ticket on it. I suppose nobody else had before that because they both were available the day after I sent that ticket & had gotten a "seems odd, we'll look into it" response from the GM.

I'm noticing the same thing again with cooking, BGs and Heroic randoms.  I get a lot of HOO (and the last 3 randoms I've done when I only had time to run one that day were all HOO)  I have yet to get a random BRC or Deadmines group on the Pally since hitting 85 it's now gear level 350.  It's just weird.

[Sjofn]

Last night was the first time I had gotten HoO in what feels like weeks. I had almost forgotten it even existed. BRC doesn't show up much for me either, but I'm glad about that, because beam boss lady always breaks up my PUGs, as I mentioned earlier.

[Lantyssa]

I'm noticing the same thing again with cooking, BGs and Heroic randoms.  I get a lot of HOO (and the last 3 randoms I've done when I only had time to run one that day were all HOO)  I have yet to get a random BRC or Deadmines group on the Pally since hitting 85 it's now gear level 350.  It's just weird.

We had mostly the same Dalaran dailies for five days in a row a couple of times back then, and again in Cataclysm.

[Paelos]

Today in FUCK YOU CATA, I'M OUT!

Tragiik signs off for the last time. How Tragic.


Personally I like his plan to delete PvP in order to save the game. That's thinking outside the box!

[Malakili]

You should make this into a daily or weekly youtube feature, I'd subscribe to that.

[Samprimary]

Now that I no longer have my time-consuming ultimate PvP goal, there's just nothing to do.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Gold.

The other thread reminded me how bloated the auction house on servers have become.  As a fresh 85 with no other characters, the AH might as well not even exist for you.  Same with levelling up, when level 40 greens cost upwards of 50g there's a problem.

[Miasma]

If you were to start from scratch on a new server you would bascially have to take two gathering professions and find the niche markets for the hard to find lower level herbs and ore.  Another huge expense, at least on my server, are inscriptions.  If you want them all it will easily cost a new character a couple thousand gold.

[Merusk]

If you were to start from scratch on a new server you would bascially have to take two gathering professions and find the niche markets for the hard to find lower level herbs and ore.  Another huge expense, at least on my server, are inscriptions.  If you want them all it will easily cost a new character a couple thousand gold.

Yep. Even if you're a scribe it'll cost you a few hundred extra, beyond leveling, simply because of the ridiculous research req for runes.  You can't just buy them all (even old WOTLK ones) off of the trainer, you have to get lucky and hope it pops up on your daily research attempt.

[Pantastic]

The other thread reminded me how bloated the auction house on servers have become.  As a fresh 85 with no other characters, the AH might as well not even exist for you.  Same with levelling up, when level 40 greens cost upwards of 50g there's a problem.

There's no problem with inflation, because it also affects the price you get when you sell stuff. When a level 40 player can have a thousand gold or so just from gathering and selling, the greens are actually cheaper relative to your money than they were in vanilla. Remember, back at the start people would farm and save to have 100g at level 40, so just on straight percentages a 5g green then would match up with a 50g green now, and that ignores the fact that the level 40 would blow all of his 100 gold on getting a mount, while the level 40 now just spends 20 or out of his thousand.

If you set some kind of 'I'm not going to sell any stuff on the AH' limit on yourself, that's you choosing to make the game harder yourself, it's not a problem with the game.

[Ingmar]

The questing rewards structure (and the useful lifespan of leveling gear) is such that unless you're trying to set up some kind of specific twink or something for BGs there's no good reason to be buying greens on the AH for the most part anyway.

[Lantyssa]

Yeah.  The only things I bought off the AH with recent characters were a weapon on my DK because I could not get one to save my life, and decorative clothing.

[Merusk]

I thought we were covering real costs for a newb char, like Glyphs.  Those aren't inexpensive or optional for the most part.

and decorative clothing.

Oh Glorioius Breastplate, why won't some newb sell you on the AH?  For now it'll have to remain Leather Harness and Mageweave pants!

[Ingmar]

I thought we were covering real costs for a newb char, like Glyphs.  Those aren't inexpensive or optional for the most part.

Yeah sorry, I should have specifically quoted Lakov there as that is who I was replying to. Glyph costs are troublesome for new characters, absolutely.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Even if you ignore the costs of items while levelling which is truthfully easy since you can level to 85 easily without interacting with a single soul an it is what more often than not happens....it's still very hard for someone at 85 to gather ridiculous amount like 10k.

[Sjofn]

You make enormous amounts of money leveling up if you don't buy stuff on the AH much, especially from 80-85. When's the last time you actually did it?

[SurfD]

Yeah.  The only things I bought off the AH with recent characters were a weapon on my DK because I could not get one to save my life, and decorative clothing.

What level was that?  You can usually get a decent quest reward weapon in most of the starter zones, followed by another decent Blue quality one from the Goblin Arena Fight questiline mid way through the leveling curve of most brackets that will tide you over till you can get a decent drop in normal / heroic dungeons.

[Sjofn]

The arena fight quests are hard to get done if no one else is in the zone.  I soloed some of it on my Horde paladin, but couldn't finish it ... but there was seriously not a single other person around for me to do it with.

[Ingmar]

Yeah those goblin arenas are fine for current content, but once people aren't in those zones anymore they're not helpful.

[SurfD]

Eh, might just be a server thing.  Sure, the Nagrand / Zul'Drak arena quests are probably impossible to get people for, but the Twilight Highlands one almost always has people doing it on Tich.

[Ingmar]

Well right, that one is 'current'.

[SurfD]

Well right, that one is 'current'.

Well, to be fair, you could probably offer to pay a level 85 character 20 g or something to solo the entire questline with you on the Nagrand / ZD ones and still come out with a profit at the end, and a new shiny weapon.

[Merusk]

20g?    I've seen people offer 5x that and get laughed at.  If you're not in a guild with folks who'll run it for you, it's going to cost you because it's out of the way.

[Fordel]

There were very few glyphs I gave a shit about while leveling up, but they weren't that expensive on our server either way. Unless something in the past few months to really inflate their costs or something at least.

[Sjofn]

Doomhammer's scribes are pants on head retarded, they're even stupider about selling their product than our JCers.

[Ingmar]

Most everything seems to sit around 80g these days, from what I've seen. There were some wild exceptions in both directions but mostly around 80g.

[Mattemeo]

Speaking of pants-on-head-reatarded, dat Frostscythe of Lord Ahune.

Bumbling itemisation oversight? Check

Bullshit forum rep cover-response? Check


I think I'll try and obtain it just on the offchance that they stop being gibbering tits and actually fix it.

[Fordel]

Doomhammer's scribes are pants on head retarded, they're even stupider about selling their product than our JCers.

The alternative is to have other servers where the scribes just don't EXIST at all. 

[SurfD]

Speaking of pants-on-head-reatarded, dat Frostscythe of Lord Ahune.

Bumbling itemisation oversight? Check

Bullshit forum rep cover-response? Check


I think I'll try and obtain it just on the offchance that they stop being gibbering tits and actually fix it.

pretty sure the frost scythe has always had stupid itemization.  Its intedned primarily as a novelty vanity item anyway, or at least that is the way i have always looked at it.