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Guys, let's not post this stuff here, rather - here's a relevant link: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheFappening/

Plz don't get a virus.

Remember to stay hydrated during the Fappening.   :awesome_for_real:

How did this happen?

Also sometimes you think a chick's boobs can't be that good, then you see Kate Upton's and you're like. Yep, they can be.

iCloud is an insecure piece of shit, that's how this happened.

I'm an A guy over a T guy but the Kate Upton pics would make me switch. My goodness.

Still not seeing it... But yay for the rest of you.

So supposedly the leaker has a video of JLaw giving a BJ.  I think the internet will explode if that is true and comes out.

iCloud...For people who want to share. 

Seriously, I'd hate to work for Apple PR or Legal this weekend.

--Dave

https://i.imgur.com/xsxJYbA.png

That is a SFW list of all the icloud galleries that were ripped.

Some of these could be just straight up porn shots.

There is way more glamour shots of pussy and butthole than I ever expected.

I can't decide whether these people deserve what they got for leaving auto-upload on on their iphones or if they should sue the ever loving shit out of Apple for having some AWFUL security.

Can't it be both? I don't understand celebrities. If you don't want pictures of your boobs leaking anywhere, ever, DO NOT EVER TAKE PICTURES OF YOUR BOOBS. That certainly doesn't excuse the hacking and posting, but seriously, can't these motherfuckers buy mirrors? Mirrors don't leave Internet fingerprints.

If you've ever been in a relationship with a narcissist, you'd understand how this shit happens.  Their love for seeing themselves overcomes their ability to think rationally.

I've only seen a couple pics that were supposed to be of the goddess Yvonne, but I'm calling shenanigans, as they didn't show her face.

Kate Upton has already been photographed nude, by professionals. Just cause there's body paint doesn't mean she's not naked.

If those pics of JLaw are legit, well then she has nothing to be embarrassed about. My goodness, those thighs  :heart:

No Katy Perry or Allison Brie is kind of a let down.  

It's Yvonne there is another pic floating around that match like moles and physical characteristics.

It's Yvonne, besides, she's on record saying she loves being nude. Her inclusion is not shocking.

Fair enough. If some sticky-palmed troglodyte matched up her moles, then I must accept that as conclusive evidence.

I just get suspicious when I see a "celebrity nude" that's cut off from the chin up.

I must be the only person my age who has not engaged in nude photography with the person I'm dating.

Also, Apple folks just had their Labor Day weekends ruined. :oh_i_see:

Labor Day? Apple just had their entire year ruined. If not multiple years.

Hey, take it as a sign of pride. At least she's smart. JLaw is a fucking idiot. Upton even moreso. This is why you don't date baseball players.

That just means the celebrity has the bare amount of brain function required to expect something like this to happen.

Ok, so I'll admit I browsed through, especially the Kate Upton section.

I am shocked, SHOCKED that she's dating that guy - sure, he's a good baseball player, but he's not particular good looking (those teeth?) - hopefully he's got something going on upstairs...

Which I am doubting, since his first thought after blowing a load on Kate's ass is to grab his phone?  :roll:

(http://i.lvme.me/ork5q4h.jpg)

Aww, what is that, some kind of bear? He's so sad!  :hello_kitty_2:

Mother of God.

....is this real life?

(http://i.imgur.com/A85bbqV.gif)

So, after 10 posts does the Fappening get broken out into its own thread?

I suppose yea, this should be its own thread.

(http://i.imgur.com/3jE6IiG.jpg)

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. This whole thing was almost ruined by an above ground sewer shitting on an underground sewer in an article about how clicking on the pictures is the equivalent of participating in assault.

On one hand, you have a massive violation of privacy. I'm not sure anyone is dismissing that and we can't wait to see a class-action lawsuit brought against Apple for having security issues with iCloud. I feel for the security folks over there, I really do. This thing was a disaster. The hacker also absolutely deserves prison. Don't think anyone would argue that either.

On the other hand, you have tits. And a lot of dick, I might add. And I'm sorry, I only have ~80 years on this planet and I want to see Kaley Cuoco naked. We're made of the same space-stuff, she was just put together better than me.

So, yea, this whole thing is a tossup.

(http://i.4cdn.org/b/1409545305559.png)

Look, this is a low blow, but does anybody else think it's funny that the writer's name is Clementine and her haircut makes her head look like an orange?

You just psychically assaulted her!

(http://media.giphy.com/media/wIRHGZfgqDpNm/giphy.gif)

So I'm a part of the rape culture if I want to see a beautiful woman's bare breasts? I don't even know how to respond to that.

I can't be sure, but I think the proper response is:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39720/ANIMATED%20GIFS/aGY8YSf.gif)

The hacking is a violation, a crime, an assault, no doubt. Blaming either victims or viewers is nonsensical. These are women (and as far as I've seen it is all female celebs who've been exposed here) who are sold to the public on the basis of them having attractive bodies, of course nude photos of them are going to be a prime target.

I would hope that this could be leveraged to increase a lot of people's awareness of how insecure smart phones and cloud services are. Young female celebs who aren't being taught by their agents how to secure their personal pics are being failed by those agents IMO. I'm sure they've all got financial advisers and well-managed stock portfolios, why isn't their data being treated in the same way?

Absolutely women should be able to have whatever kind of photos and videos of themselves that they want but they've also got to understand the risks of their chosen methods of storing those things. That so many people don't is a failure of the tech industry providing cloud services and smartphones.

Hmmmm, there's more male nudity in this collection than all previous female-focused cell phone leaks combined.

I've seen enough of Verlander for a lifetime. Funny that so many of the pics came from his phone though. Nearly 1/3 of them. Dude gets around.

Organized torrent has appeared. TPB. Do a search on 'fappening' and make sure the uploader is chkm8te.

Heterosexual male? Then yes, you are part of the rape culture.   :why_so_serious:

On the one hand, this is slightly different than porn or T&A pics.  These pics were stolen.  You KNOW as you're looking that these women do not give consent for you to be doing so, so, yeah, you're kinda being bad.

On the other hand, Yvonne.

I'm torn.  Because I'm old, I suspect I'll avoid, but, you know, Yvonne.

 :heartbreak:

skinny white girls are indeed skinny. 13 year olds are indeed happy this day.

Thank you sir. My love for boobs and hatred of reddit were about to come into direct conflict, but then I decided to finish reading the thread first.

Victoria Justice (don't even know who she is, just like the other 80% of the "celebs" mentioned) is the winner so far, IMO  :awesome_for_real:

I don't know who most of these people are, I'm really out of the loop.  Probably because I just don't watch drama type movies/tv anymore.  I was confused about why so many of you were guys were excited about Jude Law pics.

This is mildly amusing and all, but what I really want to see right now are pics leaked from the apple boardroom. That shit must be hysterical.


Also this. Apparently I'm not the only person on the planet who doesn't know who this other JLaw is. Am I getting old?

You're clearly not watching the right movies.  She's actually very talented and has been in several really good ones of late.

Also, Hunger Games.   :why_so_serious:

I'm not sure I'd heard her called that before this thread, but I figured it out rather quickly.

Thankfully none of the jlaw pics are hardcore and this shouldn't hurt her if at all.  Now the actress with the penis on her face.....

What is wrong with you people?

Men != Women

There's supposed to be a movie of her giving a BJ, the leaker posted a screenshot. As much as was released there's 10 times more that wasn't. It's probably over though as Reddit doxxed the guy they believe is responsible. Thanks Reddit.

But I don't see this hurting anyone's career except most of these actresses vowed to never do nude scenes - like Jennifer Lawrence and Victoria Justice. I have to say it was nice to see Melissa Benoist hardcore pictures, who's hobby seems to be calling other women whores without any morals.

Only two words come to mind here: first world.

Is reddit getting revenged ddos'd or is the fappening just overloading the servers?  Only thing that will even load for me right now is the LOL subreddit.
Minor hiccup it seems.
I never thought I'd see Lady Sybil getting slapped in the face with a penis... but I did.   :popcorn:

As a cishet hating quinparental trigender quademisexual slugkin tumblrfarian I believe viewing these photos is exactly the same as abuse.

This is an outrage, I must immediately download and peruse each one to ensure I can warn the world about this type of patriarchical weapon of mass destruction that is being used to opress these Hollywood actresses. I will need to research the videos too, are they available yet? What about the second set, with Kelly Brook and Cat Deeley? Are they being used as patriarchical tools of abuse yet? If so where?

Cat Deely ???

This is 2014, taking off your clothes has helped more careers than it has destroyed.

One of the few names on the SFW list link I actually recognised. I don't read WWTDD or The Superficial anymore so I'm out of touch when it comes to starlets.

A pretty solid chunk of them are cast members from nickelodeon/disney shows. So far Victory Justice is the only one to say they're fakes, I guess maybe she's hoping to get back in a nick show.

Victory Justice? Were her parents playing Zero Wing when she was conceived?

Victoria not Victory.

I would certainly recognise her.  She's lovely, but I didn't know she was on this because I've not really bothered looking.

Wife was asking what it was all about.  I summed it up with 'more tits on the internet', which really is all it would appear to be.

Apart from the huge news of iCloud not being secure, of course.   :oh_i_see:

Talk of a hacked wifi network at an award ceremony (no idea how) but Apple also patched iLeak today.

typos for the win.

Also seeing talk that this isn't some massive leak.  That this is a bunch of smaller ones that have happened over years and are kept mostly "underground" and someone is just releasing them in huge chunks now.

Although personally I don't buy that because I can't believe people would ever keep them that from exploding all over the net for that long.

Phrasing!!

Yeah, saw that too, some kind of underground celeb pic trading ring where some guy bought in with BTC and then leaked his first trades.

Then you've never had experiences in collecting rare and out of production collectibles - especially digital porn for some reason. What they're talking about with this ring was pretty standard practice on USENNET, FTP, and IRC for trading porn. A bunch of people would each subscribe to a different porn site and post all the updates each month. That way for the cost of one site subscription they'd all have access to all of those sights. You almost had to back in the day because they didn't do the "subscribe and get all of our sites" thing back then so it would cost a ton to get it on your own. Then in the mid 90's there were all those non-nude young teen model sites where people would do the same thing. Sometimes people would pay the model extra for a "custom" set just for themselves. Not the regular custom sets that all the internet models advertised, basically adolescent/jailbait softcore porn. People paid in the thousands for some of those sets. Once again people formed trading circles where you had to buy in with X number of original content custom sets and add X number every so often. Pretty much every illicit porn trading ring works like that so there's always a supply of fresh material. Also, it helps to keep law enforcement from infiltrating the really fucked up genres like CP, torture, and snuff. But anyway, people hoard the rare and original stuff so that they always have something to throw into the pot in an emergency or to trade for something that they really want that someone else is hoarding.

So yeah, it's probable that this was originally a group of guys who dated/banged some of these girls and started trading, then kept adding members. Plus, I don't know who it was but people said that there was one guy who was in a bunch of the pictures with different girls. Anyway, someone probably bought their way into a circle with bitcoins and leaked stuff. Apparently there's been a couple of different BC accounts for people to buy this stuff from so they probably know the jig is up and they're trying to get as much value for it as they can.

Also, 130,000 people in the live channel waiting for individual leaks.

 
 :awesome_for_real:

I don't even.... :grin:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwaHeRtCQAANrNo.jpg:large)

lol

That's awesome.   :awesome_for_real:

Is there anyone on the list or at the time the photos were taken that was under 18.  If so, could be interesting times ahead.

Someone said one of them was, but there's really like no way to tell.

Maisie Williams I know for sure. Her pic already leaked abut it's deleted as fast as it's put up and it's not in the zips or torrents of the leaks.

(http://i.4cdn.org/b/1409611635708.jpg)

Edit: Also Victoria Justice and Ariana Grande depending how old the picks are. It's an pretty open secret that Dan Schneider is a hebephile/ephebophile and has pictures of the girls in his shows as well as casting couch stuff.

Oh Reddit.. http://www.pcf.org/faf/donorReg/donorPledge.asp?ievent=1116934&supid=412010819 (http://www.pcf.org/faf/donorReg/donorPledge.asp?ievent=1116934&supid=412010819)

If anyone could be under 18 it is probably that "not impressed" gymnast girl.

It's hard to tell with gymnasts over 18.

Rules 1 and 2 end? (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/jennifer-lawrence-and-4chan-inside-the-internets-dark-fringe-20140902-10b9pn.html)

First of all, I would like to thank the internet for this.  And ask if they take requests.

Second, I was....checking the Kate Upton photos.  I mean, she's a photo model and wants us to look at them, so I thought I'd be nice.  Anyway, I assume many if not all of these are taken from either her phone or Verlander's?  Because he has a bunch of other girl pics mixed in.  He got some splaining to do.  Doubly so if any of what I saw is chronological (though there is no reason to think so).

Bob has depressed the fuck out of me.  His hugely informative post about creepy chaps and then to find out people are posting Maisie.  I mean.  God.

Arg.

Arg.

I'm gonna crawl back under my rock for a while.

I looked over the list of celebrities. I don't know who half of them are. Is it because I am old or because they aren't really all that famous?

Age I suspect, I had to look up Jennifer Lawrence because I'd heard and seen the name but couldn't remember any movies or tv shows.  Turns out I've never seen anything she was in.   I was never really deeply connected to much of pop culture and the older I get the less I care about it.

I think it's what Bruce Sterling called "the anonymous beauty of the genetically reshaped" with the substitute of cosmetic surgery for genetic modification. There's just a lot of pop-star girls who all more or less fit into the same narrow definition of "beauty" and that definition is so narrow that, more or less, you don't even notice they're beautiful anymore or who they are. I see and enjoy lots of chick flicks, but I don't read People or other "celebrity journalism" and couldn't honestly tell you who was who in what movie or who they're married to/divorced from or who has a baby bump.

Jennifer Lawrence is someone I do remember because she stars in a lot of geek movies (X-Men, Hunger Games), not to mention winning an Oscar and being pretty much #1 on every lesbians list of "yes she could be, please, please, please." She's requesting an investigation. I suspect someone's going to jail on this one and I wouldn't be surprised to see 4chan and/or reddit facing some lawsuits. 4chan is particularly vulnerable because the sole purpose of the enterprise is copyright violation.

No, sorry, there's a difference between not knowing who Jennifer Lawrence is and not knowing the plethora of other actresses. One actress from Glee is not on the same 'celeb' scale as JLaw.

The first few times it happened I could see people being surprised but now days if you take nude pics of yourself you may as well just post them to redit yourself and get it over with. The only thing that keeps normal peoples pics from being spread everywhere is there are not enough people interested in them but for celebrities if you take pictures and store them on electronic media eventually those pictures WILL become public. Either an ex boyfriend you showed them to will steal them and post them or the tens of thousands of professional and private neckbeards will sniff around either for the lulz or because they can make insane money selling the pics.

If you are embarrased by the thought of some pimply kid down the street seeing your naked boobs then DON'T take naked pictures because security on the various cloud services/texting services/social media is simply not very good at the moment and its only a matter of time before they get exploited.

I only know a lot of them because they're Disney Channel/Nickelodeon stars and my 7 year old watches their shows, or at least did. A couple of them are glee cast characters. A lot of them are actresses who you'd recognize if you saw them but don't do a lot like Mary Elizabeth Winstead, or are b/c list celebrities.

SOme of them are handling the whole thing pretty well and in decent humor by making a joke tweet and leaving it at that. Jennifer Lawrence and Kate Upton aren't and they're reaping the reaction you'd expect. Jennifer Lawrence is quickly becoming a couple of different memes already. I can understand why she's want them suppressed though. Aside from saying she'd never do topless, she's naked doing sexytime poses in so many different houses it's a little wierd. Plus there's those movies of her doing hardcore stuff too.

Also, sorry about breaking our Ironwood everyone.

One of the actresses claimed that she deleted the photos a while ago and they were posted anyway.  So if she's not lying to cover her ass, then Apple stores even your deleted photos on a relatively insecure server somewhere.

That's Mary Elizabeth Winstead, she said she deleted them years ago. I'm not sure how long the iCloud backup thing has been around but she's one of the reasons I think the trading group theory holds more water. If that's the case I doubt anyone is going to jail or get in much trouble.

Oh FFS, the sole purpose of 4chan is not copyright violation. Or are you talking about the Fappening leaks? Because those are happening on Reddit.

Also, 4chan was the first place to block the uploading of the "copyrighted" pics.

Here is my shocked face  :oh_i_see: about apple storing deleted photos forever.

Aren't the Ariana Grande photos some of the more obvious fakes? Or is she just impossible to recognize without that stupid hairdo.

So the primary purpose of 4chan is to post public domain and images that are posted with the permission of their copyright holders?

Apart from Cat Deely I have no idea or only the vaugest idea who any of these women are. And I honestly cant tell most of them apart. And I honestly care rather less to be honest. Plus, it reminds me of these "absolutly genuine" pics of Mariah Carey giving a blow job to a dog that were floating around several years ago.

I don't often say this, but if you don't know who Jennifer Lawrence or Kaley Cuoco is, you need to crawl out of your fucking cave and pay attention to like, something. Anything. They're two of the biggest celebrities in the world right now. Kaley is on the number one rated show for like 5 years running (Seinfeld / Friends level ratings) and JLaw is in fucking EVERYTHING.

If you look at her pictures they are really really bad quality compared to the other ones, they might actually be recovered deleted pictures and not from some trading club.

This. "Who's Jennifer Lawrence" is on the same level as "Who's Barack Obama".

I'm going back to my cave now...

Also I just don't watch any TV, and haven't since the 90s.  I'll only watch a show after-the-fact if I think it'll tickle that sci-fi or fantasy itch.

Fixed  :awesome_for_real:

And seriously, the only movie of Lawrance's I've seen was American Hustle and she left such an impression on me that I still went "who?" Good performance but I never felt the urge to look up who the actress was. I now know she was in that becasue I looked her up on Wikipedia. Woohoo. I dont watch daytime TV anymore, nor do I read celeb mags or give 2 craps about celeb culture, so why the hell would I know or care about some random identikit celeb blond among hundreds? And as for T&A theres so much out there that its just boring at this point.

Believe it or not there is a universe where people don't spend their time thinking or talking about or bieng generally obsessed with the faces on TV or movies.

As for this I feel for the women here, and if its true that the photos were deleted several years ago, then that means that they were either still saved at Apple or some guy took them back then and is releasing them now to get makimum value for them as mentioned above. Which would mean there is a long standing problem at apple. Thats the angle that actually interests me.

I disagree about Kaley Cuoco though. I went over her filmography in there is nothing outstanding in it that screams "known to a general public worldwide". Even the introduction sentence of her Wikipedia articles had to resort to TV appearances.


One is an Oscar actress. The other appears in a TV show about nerds and won a "Critics' Choice Television Award".

Big Bang Theory is massively popular and highly polarizing.  It's something that you just sort of know about if you pay attention to Hollywood at all, which isn't necessarily to say that it's a travesty if you don't.  Sometimes I wish I didn't.

Jennifer Lawrence, on the other hand, is an internet darling.  Aside from being a surprise Oscar winner at a very young age and being Mystique in the last two X-Men films, she is hugely famous for her candor in interviews.  Seriously, she is charming as hell.  Go look some of them up.

I know of Big Bang theory but come on you don't need to know the names of the talent to be aware of it. I know of all those "hit" mainstream shows on network tv but I don't know who the actors are on NCIS, CSI, 24 (besides sutherland), Big Bang, Modern Family etc.

Not knowing who Jennifer Lawrence is...

That's pretty questionable. Why don't we have a Jennifer Lawrence thread instead of that shit Katy Perry thread?

I didn't know who some of the actresses are because I live in a pop culture bubble called "parent of young child". 

They still managed some awesome heavy hitters. 

This explains why you're always so eager to just assume the worst and believe whatever people say about the place. You've never even gone there, have you? There's no point in lying and saying you have because it's really fucking obvious you haven't. Seriously, someone who's visited even just once would know it. I should have known since you always seem to be a part of "that" group, I thought you had more sense than to fall for their bullshit.

Because Katy Perry is hotter then Jennifer Lawrence, which is true because of said threads existence and no dumb Jennifer Lawrence thread.

Also why are people arguing and not directing me to where the fuck these Kaley Cuoco fappenings are?

Some look fake, but some of the others match her shape, skintone, and have the same woven wristband she's tweeted picks with. Those don't show her face but the wristband thing makes it a pretty sure thing. It's understandable why she and Victoria Justice would deny it, they're kids stars. The Victoria Justice ones are definitely her though.


If your child is old enough to be watching tween shows you'll recognize them.


The grainy yellowed B&W ones look like they were run through one of those photo editor apps to look that way. There is at least one really hi res pic of her too though.

 

You'd be really disappointed. There's one photo of her naked, but she's sitting down on the other side of a kitchen counter and stuff covers everything but her face and one arm. The other is a gif of omene walking around a corner in an apartment as she's standing up from the toilet and pulling her pants up. She looks at the camera all confused for a sec and then laughs.

I'd post a link but I don't want to do it without Schild or Trippy saying it's okay.

(http://media1.giphy.com/media/B8ody8egx8JkA/giphy.gif)

Don't link that stuff. The Cuoco stuff does, in fact, suck thus far.

I used to be like this. TV has changed a ton in the last 10 years. There's actually more quality entertainment on the TV side than the movie side by far. The production values have caught up.

@menongitis deserves an award.

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I can understand not knowing who Kaley Cuoco is, but Jennifer Lawrence?  It's almost impossible to navigate the internet without seeing her name almost ever day.

I recognized the name, but since I've never watched any of the movies she's in I had no clear idea what she looked like. 

I feel like most of these celebrities are like the users in Politics, unless you're in there all the time you have no idea how these people got so many posts.

No idea how you people avoid the deluge of celebrity news. It is more popular than the regular news stories judging by how many stories they run on celebs vs regular news stories. E! and TMZ didn't just spring up for no reason... but hey, shine on you crazy diamonds.

Also Kate Upton, no photoshop, and she hasnt been cutting before a shoot and is probably her natural weight. Which is miles preferable over shopped skinny Kate.

Preferable regarding what?

Testicular extractions.

Frankly, I'm shocked that so many of you nerds haven't seen X-Men: First Class.  That was an excellent movie.

Apple's response:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/09/02Apple-Media-Advisory.html

We here at Apple just wanted to inform you, this is all your fault.  :oh_i_see:

JLaw just looks very generic. I saw her in Hunger Games but she's just another skinny starlet that I've seen hundreds of times. I had however not heard the nickname JLaw until this mess.

This thread is making me feel very scared of some of you...  :ye_gods:

Amusing parts so far:
1. Files being hard to get rid of in any IT enterprise
2. Deleting a file making it appear low quality

Yes, this was my favorite.

It's like when you throw something in the trash and it gets garbage spilled on it, or something.  Right?

Icon looks like a trash can.

Makayla Maroney is claiming she was underage when her pics were taken, which is probably since she just turned 18 in December.

My brain immediately did that.  My brain made me laugh.

Her photos are all washed-out (overexposed) and yellowed. I'd bet they are made from a old negative or a copy of a negative from a negative.  I had some photos that were accidentally on slide film 25  years ago and they looked very similarly washed-out and overexposed when getting prints. The developing place said that it was because of the process required to make a neg. & print from a slide.

Or she applied an Instagram filter.

For that old fashioned retro look to all your 'dick in face' pictures.

At least I'm not the only one. :uhrr:

The general reactions to this thing are fascinating -- how long has it been since the last incident like this?  I mean, the scale is huge, but people are acting like the entire concept of guys wanting to see boobies is new and strange to them.  This shit's been happening since the invention of photography.

It's not strange for that reason.  It's strange because there are unlimited amounts of free boobies already on the internet if that's what you're looking for.

My grandfather would have trampled an entire army of whores to get pictures like that of Audrey Hepburn.

The invention of cave drawings you mean.  :awesome_for_real:

From Trippy's link:
I am sort of not suprised. This is a bit older (2011), but a collection of various leaked user-accounts/password showed that:


    4.7% of users have the password password;
    8.5% have the passwords password or 123456;
    9.8% have the passwords password, 123456 or 12345678;
    14% have a password from the top 10 passwords
    40% have a password from the top 100 passwords
    79% have a password from the top 500 passwords
    91% have a password from the top 1000 passwords

What makes me cry is not "password" or "123456", but the ones most popular ones after that.  :why_so_serious:

password
123456
12345678
1234
qwerty
12345
dragon
pussy
baseball
football

(http://i.imgur.com/Wiet6sK.png)


https://xato.net/passwords/more-top-worst-passwords/#.U026cvldX0T

Edit: Hands up, who of you logs in with pussy and dragon as their pws?  :why_so_serious:

I use 'monkeymaster' everywhere.

I'm going to go ahead an claim an general exemption for not connecting the dots on JLaw or Cuoco.

 - I hate Big Bang Theory and believe it to be a pox upon television - I think I've only made it through one complete episode. However, Cuoco is hot.

 - I've seen three of JLaw's movies, but the name just didn't click. For no good reason whatsoever, I kept confusing her with Hilary Swank and Jennifer Garner.  :headscratch:

Seriously?  I'll try to explain as if I were Riker and you were Data: human boobies (or other parts belonging to either/any gender, because this is true for most people regardless of gender or sexual orientation) are far more interesting when they're attached to someone whom you find interesting for other reasons, like an attractive face, a charismatic personality, or some extraordinary talent.  Humans also frequently find things they aren't supposed to see more interesting (not even just sexually; almost any sort of existing interest is magnified when the object of that interest is hidden or forbidden in some way).  None of this is even unique to humans; if I were sufficiently motivated I could dig up some cool links on similar behavior demonstrated by other animals (not just our primate cousins but other mammals and birds).

Anyway, this is not some shocking new behavioral phenomenon we're talking about here.  I can only imagine people are pretending it is as part of the big game to see who can be more outraged by the scandal of the moment.  I think what makes it newsworthy isn't so much the pictures themselves (because, again, that shit's happened before and it will happen again) as the fact that it's shaking so many people's confidence in all the mysterious cloud shit that most of them have hitherto trusted unquestioningly.

Fixed that for you.

Yeah, for some reason people trust "the cloud", but when I point out that it's just a better PR name for "the internet" it may well be a nicer name for "herpes". What will be really great is if/when Western Digital's Cloud drives (yeah, wireless external 4tb drives) catch on and you can drive around trying to snoop on people in your area's porn storage.

Dragonpussy12345

I can't help but view iCloud as Schrödinger's Data Vault now since everyone inside is both clothed and has a dick in them at the same time.

Pshaw, everyone knows that the four most popular passwords are "love", "sex", "secret" and "god"

Protip: Windows Media Player will automatically set up a media server with one innocuous-looking menu command that makes all your media available on your local network.  You have to specifically tell it to exclude stuff or it'll scan your system and helpfully share everything.  If one of your neighbors did have an insecure wireless network (which is rare now since things are way more secure out of the box than they used to be) odds are good their porn (if any) is accessible.  Shit, that was common when I was in college and that was a long time ago now.

Shhh... it's all the fruit company's fault.

It's not all their fault but the apparent lack of brute force protection is gonna make a lot of lawyers a lot of money.

Not necessarily. A lot of people use really shit passwords. Like impressively shit.

Who really knows if it is their fault, all I know is a read a press release from apple and dropbox was mentioned many times.

edit - bah the fact that it wasn't apple smearing the fuck out of dropbox spoilt my stupid sarcasm: http://webmarketingschool.com/hollywood-hack-dropbox-likely-source/ although I wonder who would trust the opinion of someone who styles themselves as an "internet marketer & security expert".

It's true, I should have mentioned iTunes has the same feature.

 Really the dumb thing in that whole scenario is having an unsecured wireless network.  I use a MAC filter on mine for extra paranoia, and I don't even keep anything worth stealing that's not also encrypted on disk.

(http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/140902-groot-phone-hacking-690-570.jpg)

Saw that on reddit, raccoon should really be adjusting his junk in the pic. Lost opportunity.

http://www.reddit.com/r/fappeningphotoshops

Lol.. This is some funny yet disturbing stuff. NSFW obviously.

wow. Mama JLaw is just. wow.

There's a version with suckling piglets floating around. Or puppies, I'm not sure. I didn't open it up because some things even I don't want to see.

The ET one is the one that made me laugh the hardest. 

Same album as the one I said above. It's strange, but doesn't doesn't even enter spacedicks level.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/2/6099005/charity-turns-down-reddits-pity-money-for-looking-at-stolen-celebrity

 :oh_i_see:

It's cool, cancer isn't that bad right?

If you count pixels, I've probably seen more boobs than my entire lineage put together. It's a wonderful time to be alive.

OK so - let's talk about the leak for a second. Apple is spinning the fuck out of this and trying to pin the blame on the users and/or insecure passwords. This is complete bullshit.
Some of you may or may not know exactly how it was done. It comes in two parts. (technical source here (https://www.nikcub.com/posts/notes-on-the-celebrity-data-theft/) and here (http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=3783l))

The first is to get access to the account.

Apple has flubbed in several ways here by not enabling rate limiting on several of it's systems. Rate limiting is basically timing out or taking longer for each attempt at something, kind of how you get temporarily locked out after 3 password attempts or how each attempt pauses for a longer and longer delay. By not rate limiting a service, you leave it vulnerable to brute forcing since you can hammer it thousands of times a second until you get in. There's no specific evidence of which specific service was used, but investigations have revealed at least two potential paths - the password recovery page and the FindMyIphone API. Either of these would have worked to gain control of someone's apple account, and, as investigations continue, more and more things are coming onto the radar.

The second is to get access to your phone's data.

This is an issue of convenience over security. Basically, it's a apple feature that if you drop your phone in a toilet you can recover all data including pictures, text messages, and contacts, up to the last time you synced, onto the new replacement phone. By default, apple also invites you to sign up to their iCloud service, so that if you are having the supremely bad day of dropping your phone into the toilet and then also dropping your laptop down the stairs in a panic to get your wet iphone into a mason jar of rice, your critical social media is still safe. Unfortunately, as the tech-savvy among us note, once your data is in the "Cloud" it's pretty much beyond your control.

Security and privacy are hot commodities ripe for exploitation and sale. You can sell 0-days for tens of thousands of dollars and governments buy them up like candy. So, of course there is a piece of software that someone wrote and sells "to law enforcement only" that allows you to emulate someone's iPhone and download all that backed up data. All you need is the password, which you got in the first step.


There is probably a 0th step where you identify the account of whatever chosen person you're trying to get at, and rumor has it that there's plenty of un-encrypted identifiable information swimming around on wifi at places like awards shows where stars and starlets congregate.


Apple is guilty for not making the disadvantages clear about having someone's iPhone data (arguably the most important and sensitive data people posess) in the cloud. When you boot up, they simply ask for your icloud password and invite you to create an account if you don't already have one - without specifying the potential hazards. That, coupled with failing to rate-limit or secure essential account traffic makes them extremely culpable in my book.

See Cat (https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=cat+curiosity&oq=cat+curiosity&gs_l=hp.3..0l3j0i22i30l7.1224.3354.0.3767.14.14.0.0.0.0.124.1395.10j4.14.0....0...1c.1.52.hp..1.13.1279.0.oL4KZej-ffc).

That seems right to me. But I don't think it's unfair to also say, "Look, it's not like these pictures just uploaded themselves to some guy's account: people have been systematically working to find and steal them."

I'm kind of weirded out that so many of you don't seem even faintly inclined to cast shade on whomever spent time breaching Apple's weak security/celebrity's weak passwords. Leave it for Politics, I guess, but to use the common metaphor that people are knocking around, if someone left their door unlocked, you might have less sympathy for them if their house got robbed and the robbers took a photo album full of nude shots that the people living there took of each other. But you'd still be (I hope) thinking that it's immoral to go into someone's house and take the photo album--that an unlocked door isn't the equivalent of inviting people in and telling them to take whatever they like, with your permission.

Mostly because "Hackers gonna hack," if there's data out there that is at least mildly interesting, somebody is going to try and get access to it.  How far they'll go depends on the level of "interesting", and nudes of female celebrities, especially the ones that have never done nude in movies or photo shoots, has a high level of interest.

At a certain point, you just have to accept hackers as a force of nature, something that is always there, doing what it does.  Yes, some particular person or group of people just brought the wrath of the DoJ on themselves in a big way, but unless you're on that investigative team, that is not particularly interesting to discuss.

--Dave

It is pretty obvious that whoever did this was completely in the wrong.  That said the leaving your house unlocked is not really a fair comparison, maybe if your house could magically be next door neighbors with all 7 billion people on the planet...  

Anyone want to take bets that if they ever catch who did this that person will do far more jail time than was handed out in the news of the world phone hacking/blackmail the government scandal?

I can guarantee it. The guy that leaked two very boring, barely nude pictures of Scarlett Johanson got ten years in prison. This leak was the very barest of the content this person/group has as shown by screenshots and it was still pretty big. Plus, these were being sold. This stuff was almost exclusively softcore selfies and shots. One of the leakers still managed to make $60,000 in BC if the screenshot is to be believed. He claimed he had some hardcore stuff that he was trying to sell for a lot more. He posted censored screenshots and they were pretty clearly who he claimed they were.

This single shop makes the entire thing worthwhile.

I'm kind of weirded out that nobody has mentioned the peculiar blueish color of the sky, personally.

Rayleigh Scattering, dude.  Refraction.  Though, that's just, like, my opinion, man.

And, Khaldun, I think your overgeneralizing and being over sensitive to the issue.  I think it's pretty much a given that doing this is scrote work of the highest order.

Wait, didn't someone say that Maisie Williams was in these pics? As in Arya Stark definitely underage and what the fuck would you be thinking releasing those pictures to the public Maisie Williams?

Also, yes, there's a whole lot more hullabaloo over this in the media than the whole NSA just constantly collects data on everyone and everything and nobody gives a fuck story. Snowden is freezing his tits off over in Russia going, "SHIT! I should have put some JLaw in my releases."

Depends on how old Maisie is when the pics are taken. 17 isn't underage in England.

A certain Snowden leak implied that NSA analysts would keep and pass around nudes they found while conducting surveillance.  Of course that was in the same vein as his "the NSA, and not the Syrian regime, took down Syria's internet by accidentally crashing a router" leak.  Both were based on overheard conversations and not any sort of document.  The former is a bit more probably than the latter.

Heh, I'm glad I didn't see anything of Maisie.  

You gotta wonder how much of this data was possibly compromised by assistants or other underlings.

I thought that I had read that it wasn't actually Maisie Williams. The person looks similar, but only in some of the pictures. Mckayla Maroney was apparently under 18 when the pictures were taken, so that could be a big deal.

Yes, she was. However their are conflicting reports about the one picture released being a fake. I've seen the photo that was said to have been used and I could see it being believable if her face was shopped in. I haven't seen the original for a couple of obvious reasons.

I have also been amazed at the speed the Feds have reacted to this. Especially when compared to other things they should be reacting to such as state police machine gunning black folk with rubber bullets. I also don't know why anyone is shocked by this happening. It's not like this wasn't pointed out as a problem with the NSA snooping on everyone wholesale. If people don't thing that people with the ability to do so aren't collecting this sort of shit on everyone they know, those people are fools.

Most people are fools.  Wear a helmet.

I don't want to start a politics derail, but come on, that's not even remotely true.  The Snowden thing Dominated (capital D) the media and talking heads for months.  This has been in the news less than a week.  Lets see how much media coverage its getting two weeks from now.

When I first heard of "JLaw nudes and sex video", I thought people were talking about Jude Law.

There was a picture of Jude's dick when the internet was invented back in 2003.

(http://i.imgur.com/tNk2KrO.gif)

And less was done about that on a governmental level than is being done about this. There are probably going to be more prison sentences for this shit than the zero that resulted from the NSA scandal.

Well, if the prime suspect hadn't jumped into the loving protective embrace of Putler, there would have been some.    :why_so_serious:

The longer clip of "who is 4chan, anyway, do we know his real name?" is hilarious.

Snowden DID put this in his releases, more or less, as has already been pointed out. He specifically noted at one point that this kind of activity is going on inside the NSA and is one of the moral hazards of having an unaccountable spy agency that has permissions to look inside anything they find interesting. Which might be one reason the feds react here--if they can pin this on some low-level sysadmin someplace it might be a blessing for them if the overall group of people involved in acquiring and circulating the images also include folks in law enforcement or the security infrastructure.

When I said I was a bit weirded out, by the way, what I meant is that almost nobody so far in this thread seems to feel any discomfort about looking at the pics other than "watch out for viruses". I'm not assuming that most of you approve of whomever for stealing them, but--well, no matter how much I wanted something, if I knew it was stolen and being offered to me pretty directly following the theft, I wouldn't buy it. A little bit out of fear of losing my money and a bigger bit because of a moral objection to doing so. (And so, believe it or not, so far I haven't looked at any of these pics.) But that conversation pretty clearly leads to a Politics derail.

The gubment (probably) isn't at fault for us seeing photoshops of fire coming out of Jennifer Lawrence's ass.  No reason to keep it quiet on that end.

To add to your derail, I look at pr0n. Shocking I know. I've looked at celeb pr0n, I've looked at sex tapes like the Pam Anderson one. These women are attractive. I enjoy looking at boobies. Would I buy a DVD from some shady fuck downtown of these things? No, probably because I don't pay for pr0n anyway. However, looking at them online? Sure, I'll do that. I'm not feeling the great moral dilemma here.

It's an invasion of privacy to steal them, and hell, it probably is to seek them out and look. That doesn't mean I'm not going to do it. Maybe it's the sterility of just loading a file on my computer as opposed to visiting a seedy location downtown that makes the difference in my mind.

I had two thoughts running in my mind when I downloaded a Jennifer Lawrence pictorial, viewed three images, deleted the archive and paid no further heed to this Fappening:

1. An examination of the circumstances that led to these pictures' creation would be fascinating.
2. I feel guilty for doing this. It was more than curiosity. But after seeing one nude picture in which she was clearly posing in an erotic fashion, I didn't want to see anymore. I realized I respect her for her talents, not her body.

I don't know who else was involved in taking the pictures or what they were for -- but it provides an incomplete though interesting glimpse into her personal life.

Replace 'celeb pictures' with 'video games', and you should have your answer.  Both are 'stolen'.  Pretty sure that argument has already been done to death here, and the general view of the majority of the internet population well known.

But would you download a car?

"Would you download a car" is one of my favorite things ever because the answer is obviously "Absolutely, the moment the tech is available, I'm downloading a car."

The question should never be "Would you?" but instead "WHY WOULDN'T YOU?"

A pretty thorough breakdown of what probably went down. (https://www.nikcub.com/posts/notes-on-the-celebrity-data-theft/)

Because this isn't in Politics.  I'm not downloading them.  I don't have any desire to lust over privately made pictures that have become public through no agency of their subject.  I don't really approve of others doing it, but it's also pretty low on my list of criminal activity as the impact of any single person looking at a nudie is minimal.

The act of releasing them though?  That's much higher.

What she said.

Yeah, I agree with that as well. Well put.

And generally I have nothing against pr0n, and don't necessarily source the provenance of every single thing I ever see.

...

Is the JLaw picture really that impressive?
 :-o

And a waifu.
And a bucket of KFC.

Jules and Vincent debate the morality of the fappening. (http://imgur.com/gallery/39mVc)

Some yes, some no. The one people are shopping is probably one of the worst ones. There are at least videos that had edited screenshots posted when they were trying to sell them. One of her pulling her shirt down and jiggling her girls at the camera, and two of her being very intimate with the camera operator.

I'm too lazy to find this stuff and I only recognize the names of one or two people.

That's my bold moral stance!

I didn't look.  They didn't get paid and I have to assume they didn't want the pics out there (although I am cynical and I think there are more than a few who took the pics thinking that they get release)

Give all that, I didn't want it to sully the truly beautiful experience of looking at naked girls.

I think the bigger names (not those we recognize, but the ones the general public recognizes the most) have nothing to gain from this.

Jennifer Lawrence - already probably the most famous actress on the planet right now, has an Oscar and stars in whatever movies she wants to.  Nothing to gain.
Kate Upton - in the top 2 or 3 on planet earth for people we wanted to see naked.  She could have made MILLIONS off of posing naked somewhere in a professional capacity.  Big loss.
Ariana Grande - already on the rise.  Has a Nickelodeon background that made her a star and could only be hurt be nude pics.
Jeannette McCurdy - same as above.
Victoria Justice - almost same as above, but I'm not sure what she is doing lately.

Jeannette McCurdy hasn't had any pics leaked in this. The only two pictures I'm aware of are the couple that she sent to that basketball player she was dating. She's doing pinup style poses in them , but they're less revealing than bikini pics of her.

Victoria Justice - She left her Nick show to tour in support of her music career. This left Ariana Grande out of TV work until they put her character from that into a show with Jeannette McCurdy's character from iCarly. According to reports from cast and crew of Victoria Justice's show Victoria was a really vile person and rode Ariana constantly about her weight and lack of talent. Ariana won't talk about it and only responds to questions with "Some things are best left unsaid". Victoria Justice's music career tanked and most of her tour was cancelled due to very low sales. As near as i can tell her career is pretty much over.

I don't know this stuff from being some kind of weirdo fan by the way, I know it from looking into the shows my kids want to watch. Same thing with the illegal porn trading rings. That game from sitting on a Federal Grand Jury for 18 months. You wouldn't think there would be enough horrible illegal porn to occupy that long a stretch, but then that would make both of us wrong.

Please. I have a good inkling of how much "straight/normal" pr0n is out there, as well as a tiny inkling of how much "I don't get why that's exciting" pr0n as well. I can well imagine there is a vast reservoir of even more twisted shit than I can possibly ever want to know about.

I heard about Victoria Justice being a diva somewhere, too.  Not sure where, but I was aware of said Nickelodeon gossip.  So don't feel bad about that, Bob.

Counterpoint:
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/know-your-beef-ariana-grande-vs-jennette-mccurdy-vs-andre-drummond/

 :drillf:

Not having heard of either of these young women, I sought out their "music" on Spotify. I'm so so sorry I did. I sometimes forget this is what passes for mainstream pop these days and it's fuckawful.

Pff, old man.  I like some of Arianna Grande's music a lot.  Problem is the one I have a problem with, oddly enough.

It's Disney Channel/ Nickelodeon pop. Much like Rebecca Black it's not about the talent, it's about having a great PR firm and the money to shovel your crap everywhere. Bonus if they are recognized for a popular tween TV show. 

Both content creators realized radio was dying 7ish years ago and that digital sales were driven by awareness of the brand, not the quality of the music. All the Disney/ Nick female starts for that time frame have had at least one album shoved out there to see how well it does. If it sells they get more.

These women say they took these pictures with the expectation that they would not be public.  They say they do not want them to be public now.  A pretty simple rule seems to cover it: If she says no, respect it - always.

Putting aside legalities, viewing these photos is disrespectful and discourteous to these women.  It'd be a nicer world if more people were willing to put courtesy and respect higher on their priorities.

While I can't really argue with anything you said, I really like looking at as many naked women as time allows. In addition, some of these women have careful manicured public personas of "purity and morality" and are never reluctant to criticize other celebrity's behavior or judgement. So that adds the delicious schadenfreude element to it. The only things better to me than naked women and wallowing in schadenfreude is combining the two into some kind of shameful Reeses cup.

Let's be honest with ourselves here.  A regular Reeses cup is kind of shameful already.

Shut your mouth! :mob:  There's few things better in this world than chocolate and peanut butter combined together.

I'm not a big chocolate fan. I am less of a peanut butter fan. Something happens when you combine them that makes them some kind of super food. I will take a Reese's Peanut Butter Cup over any other kind of candy.

If I had a choice between eating a peanut butter cup and a handful of cat diarrhea, I would choose the peanut butter cup.  But I would not be happy about it.

I am having a hard time summoning the guilt over looking at any of these pics.  I know I should, though.  I think the problem here is that I am growing weary of this world full of shameless, narcissistic social media.  Combine this with the narcissism of the average celebrity, and their careless stupidity of taking these dumb selfies with some expectation that we need to bask in their relative glory on all other occasions, but turn a blind eye when they feel they are being violated....I don't know.  I can live with and understand any of these things individually, but the combination of it all just doesn't manage to register on my gives-a-shit meter.  Maybe stop being such a huge attention whore.

Put more cynically, every single one of these women is famous almost exclusively because they give men and/or teenage boys boners.  It shouldn't surprise anyone that those same males will jump at the chance to see them naked.  If you are one of the most famous people in the world, maybe you shouldn't be taking selfies with your tits hanging out. 

Note: that doesn't make the act of stealing the photos any less criminal. 

Putting peanut butter in chocolate is the real crime.

And this is the problem. They are accomplished, successful and famous actresses, singers, gymnasts, yet their worth is reduced to being masturbation material because they're women.

Men, even good-looking, famous men, are not reduced in this way. They are recognised for their abilities and achievements and if they're good-looking too then that's icing. Women, regardless of their success or skills are reduced to something for men to wank over.

I don't think this is univerally true, I was talking specifically about these women.  For better or worse, it is the truth.  JLaw is a slight exception because she is considered down to earth and charming.  And yet, we wank even harder as a result. 

And there are plenty of male actors/celebrities that are famous specifically because women want to bang them, although I find it far less likely that women would ever try to take advantage of it in the same way.  So I don't think you are right about that at all.

One of the tastiest treats are fresh peanut butter cups.  One of the worst are stale peanut butter cups.  Most are stale and the peanut butter has turned into some sort of chalk like substance.  I don't even buy Reese anymore because 9/10 times I'm dissapointed.

Godiva used to make essentially the same thing but with almond butter and it was fantastic but then they started putting fucking rock salt on top for some sick reason and destroyed it.

You have not heard my wife on the matter of Chris Hemsworth.

No, they are reduced because they are outside our monkeysphere (Dunbar;s number) and are reduced to a one-dimensional concept, "attractive female actress" being about the most complicated it gets. Men are not reduced the same way for a couple of reasons, the biggest being that females are not sexually stimulated in the anything close to the same ways as men. Even women who report a high level of visual arousal are nowhere near the level of a man while being tested during brain scans.

As far as famous men not being reduced at all by women, fucking please. If you want to tell me that Paul Walker or Ryan Gosling have/had careers because of their deep acting talents I'm all ears.

It always cracks me up when people try to pretend that we're not animals evolved enough to be not completely driven by instinct and hormones. I;m sure Khaldun will swoop in here any second to post a nine paragraph opinion on why I'm wrong, but men are made to like looking at whatever they think is sexy and get boners so they can make babies. It's just a nice bonus that we're evolved enough to add a layer of self-control and consensuality on top of it. Biologically it wasn't that long ago that it wasn't the norm.

If you're going to start bringing in human biology and other scientific facts, things are going to get ugly. :oh_i_see:

Yall are really overthinking why dudes want to look at naked chicks.

Also agree.

Almost every heterosexual male understands the urges and draw. Doing the right thing sometimes requires resisting temptation.

A lot of people daydream about being a hero and protecting others in the face of a challenge. If you think it is wrong to look at these women, but find the draw of them to be strong, here is a small chance to show you can rise above and be a better person. Not a hero, but maybe someone that could be one if called upon.

I'm all for moral objections on stuff, and that's your POV, which is fine.

I totally disagree that there is a moral imperative here to respect the privacy of people who make their money off promoting their image. The photos exist because these adults feel that taking pictures of their naked bodies is acceptable to them. They are obviously okay with their nudity. They are okay with those pictures existing.

What they are not okay with is the audience, to which I say too fucking bad. Once you reach a certain status of celebrity by your own self-promotion and choice, you no longer have control over your image. That's the advantage and privilege of being a private individual.

I don't feel bad about celebrities losing control of their boundaries on their phone. This is a learning point for all celebrities hopefully. Phones are not secure. Do not take naked pictures of yourself. People find this shit everyday and they are looking for it.

EDIT: To take it further, I think the moral objection to something like the Erin Andrews pictures holds more weight. Erin was photographed by a third party against her will, because the dude was spying on her. At no point did she consent to any of that. These people consented to the naked pictures by taking them themselves.

That's wrong.

Didn't expect many to agree. I hold celebrities to a reap what you sow standard. You want to be famous? There's a dark side to it, and you have to be careful.

Like I said, they don't have any problems with those pictures. They have a problem with them getting out. Yet, they make money on promoting themselves publically. If anything it creates a grey area to me I don't worry about as a moral issue.

Bullshit, just cause i've fapped to jlaws pictures doesn't mean i no longer like in x-men or the hunger games.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/85916/angry_at_computer.jpg)

I respond to everyone's post with: "Tits".

Question: can we separate the body (image) from the talent (work) from the personality (personhood)?

This is the 'Great Inner Conflict' when I think of my female friends. The part of me that looks upon them as beautiful and someone who'd I like to sleep with is, I'd *like* to believe, separate from the part of me that cherishes their personality and personhood. But by all appearances they are one and the same.

My International Political Economy class touched upon this issue and how it raises concerns about the ubiquitous of this data being in the cloud and available to hackers with the right know-how. I've had to interact with people who think privacy and ownership of data were these silly things. These are people who I'd have no trouble ending in a heartbeat.

I believe that famous people have a debt to everyone.  If celebrities didn't want people pawing through their garbage and saying they're gay, they shouldn't have tried to express themselves creatively.

Let's be very clear about something. If I was to rely on knowing about Kate Upton's "abilities and achievements," I would NEVER EVER EVER HAVE EVER HEARD HER NAME. I don't even know what she does for a living other than I am occasionally linked to pictures or videos of her frooging. There is absolutely nothing I know about Kate Upton besides the fact that she has a pretty face and quite possibly one of the greatest set of Praise-the-Lord-Natural breasts I've ever seen. To my knowledge, she has created all her fame and income from being unbelievably physically attractive. I'm ok that she has the ability to do that. She has created a market for the ogling of her body and has made a decent living from that. So absolutely no one should feel bad about the desire to see her tits except perhaps those who have no desire to see tits.

She and other celebrities on this list have drawn a line at not showing their bare tits and I respect that. I don't think it's necessary as most of them have nothing to be ashamed of, but I'm certainly ok with them drawing the line at not showing nudes. But no one should be under any illusion that just because they don't want to show it, that doesn't mean people don't want to see it. As a result, part of the responsibility of the nudes existing in the first place is from an inability to stop taking nude pictures of oneself. Even moreso, they are responsible for the security of said photos when they take them - which means if you use a phone to take pictures you want no one else ever to see anywhere, understand how that tech works and use it responsibly. If it was a film camera, you'd know to destroy the negatives or the film canister. I'm not giving you any breaks because you didn't know that your phone stored those photos somewhere else. Learn the tech and use it responsibly. In this, Apple is also complicit because seriously... no one should be able to brute force passwords like this in this day and age.

The crime here is the people who illegally accessed these accounts, stole the pictures and then publicized them. Not the people who wanted to and did view them, like myself. The market was created, the desire is human, and the technology makes it easy. I'm not the one hacking passwords, I'm not the one stealing files, and I'm not the one paying for either. Maybe I should feel ashamed at the invasion of privacy - yeah, I get that. There's a little shame in that. But to the ones calling it a "psychic attack, or akin to rape" - please shut the fuck up. If that's the case, I'd be considered a rapist every single day because there's not a day goes by that I don't see an attractive woman and look a second longer than I need to in order to appreciate her physical beauty.

What? :facepalm:

Counter point, many of those women aren't "talented".  A lot of them are just famous for how they look.

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm, but it's really hard to say since it's Speedy.

I hope so.

With regards to your significant other (if any), is the part of you that's physically attracted to them separate from the part of you that cherishes their personality?  Does that sort of compartmentalization seem healthy in that context?

That's what gets me about the concept that physical attraction somehow reduces or degrades the object of that attraction.  In every relationship you've ever had, every time you looked at the other person with lust in your heart, you were degrading them as a human being?  That's some weird fucked in the head Puritanical bullshit, and I would suggest that anyone who feels that way should work on unfucking their head.

If we accept that physical attraction isn't inherently evil and degrading, I don't know why it'd be specifically evil and degrading with respect to friends or casual acquaintances or strangers.  What matters is the way you act on it and how you let it color your interactions with those people.  I don't see that there's anything wrong with thinking privately to yourself that you'd like to bang someone as long as that doesn't translate into actions that negatively impact them (e.g. eyebanging them while they're trying to have an unrelated conversation with you).

With regard to what a bunch of people said about celebrities, I don't think celebrities deserve more or less respect than any other human being.  That also seems pretty fucked up to me.  But they do fall in the category of "complete stranger who I will never ever interact with in any way".  So the odds that me eyebanging them in a movie theater or on TV or over the Internet is in any way going to have the effect of making them personally uncomfortable seems less than zero.  The people who stole and released and distributed the photos had a very obvious negative impact on those people's lives, and that's vile.  If I were the only person in the world with access to that stuff you couldn't pay me enough to release it.  TBH I don't think all the public media hand-wringing, even though sympathetic on its face, is doing them huge favors either (though maybe they feel differently and it's a source of comfort, I dunno), because if it were me I'd want everyone to just stfu about it and stop treating it like a shameful scandal (because the more you treat it like something shameful THE MORE SHAME THERE IS).  But given that it's out there, I don't think looking at it or not has any moral dimension if there's no actual harm caused.  Pretty much where I fall on the piracy issue too.  I just don't think putting stuff in your brain can in and of itself be evil.  Unless you have a problem where putting that stuff in your brain is going to make you cause harm to other people, of course, in which case, yes, by all means, exercise appropriate discretion.

If there were saucy photos of me floating around out there, and for all I know there are, I'd give zero fucks whether someone in Bumfuck, Oklahoma is whacking off to them in the privacy of his or her own trailer.  The only point at which I'd start to care would be if there were an uptick in people I deal with on a daily basis trailing off in mid-sentence to imagine committing deviant sexual acts upon my person.  Shrug.

I agree with that. They stole something.

I still don't feel bad for the celebrities. Never will.

You're a bad fucking Christian.

Christians like Kate Upton's sweater puppies too.  :why_so_serious:

Wow, so much this.

Have none of you rubes watched the Simpsons?

phew

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Jesus Christ? More like Jesus Cockblock.  :why_so_serious:

fucker deserved to be crucified for doing that.

25 years is way too many quotes to try and remember. You need to post a gif or something with that shit.

Admittedly yes. I don't think there are "good" Christians though. We're all failed at something and have to own up to it.

I don't think I'm wrong here. There's nothing wrong with those photos. They were taken by a person that saw nothing wrong with doing it. I don't see a moral failing in seeing a photo that those people had zero problem creating in the first place.

Is it a privacy issue? Sure. But I don't think privacy in this case is a moral issue at all, even moreso when that person is classified as a public figure.

So.. you'd be totally cool with releasing all the photos you've ever taken to the public?  Send me the link when you've got them all uploaded.  Or just give you login info to some hackers and let them do the leg work.

A - If you can find a naked photo of me anywhere ever, good luck. They don't exist. Because I didn't take them, nor did anybody else.
B - Any stupid pics of me are already on Facebook, it's the entire reason that stupid thing exists for my friends to post shit there, but yeah whatever. Don't care. Load em up.
C - I'm a random dude like you. We're not celebrities or public figures already trying to make cash on our bodies. You think Kate Upton gets paid on her personality? Even the laws are different for celebrities.

There are a couple of polaroids from back in the 90's that I sincerely hope don't exist anymore.  But if they turned up, I'd probably just say "Damn, I was ripped back then!" and move on.

Anyway, once you take those photos, you pretty much have to accept the possibility that they may turn up in contexts you will find embarrassing.  The risk is probably part of the thrill.  Does that free the hackers from moral responsibility? No.  But it doesn't leave much to attach to the people who eventually see them.

That being said, I haven't gone to any particular effort to look at these, mostly I've just seen meme-ified versions that turned up in various places.  That's out of apathy towards Yet Another Celebrity Nudes Leak, rather than any moral choice.  Yay, more proof that everyone is naked under their clothes, and even famous people make foolish decisions.

--Dave

I just think we're being selectively moral here because it's nudity. If it were drugs i don't think you'd see the same arguments come up

Did I get lost and wander into Politics?  :ye_gods:

I think you can be selectively moral on something like this. Being naked is an intensely private thing for most people. Doing drugs just doesn't rise to that level.

These arguments that it is ok because of how these people sell themselves as stars is rubbish.  That is step one on a path that is very ugly.

These women do not want you using or viewing their private images.  They took efforts to keep them out of your hands.  Due to failures (by them and/or others), those images ended up in the public domain.  That does not change the fact that a woman is saying NO and you're going ahead with what you desire regardless of her wishes.

If you're comfortable being that guy, nobody is going to say anything to change your mind.  

If you're not comfortable with it, and you want to be a person that does the right thing, you may have to put some effort into resisting temptation.

On a separate note: Don't be so sure your images are not on a computer somewhere just because you did not click a button yourself... hacks (webcams, tablets, tvs), sleazy exes, hidden cameras in gyms/restrooms, etc...  are real issues.  My gym used to have a problem where some lady would steal smart phones, download an app, set them to transmit video, and then would hide them in the gym locker room.  I doubt all the women she filmed know they'd been recorded.

In hindsight it didn't turn out that way but I can see how the Phelps bong hit photo could have cost him millions in endorsements.  And while I agree that being naked is an intensely private thing for most people, those same people aren't the ones taking selfies of their nakedness.  It is obvious that these celebrities have been victimized but I also think that if they ever catch the idiot that did this that person is going to be subjected to a miscarriage of justice that far outweighs the damage done.

Being as he was trying to make millions of dollars off the stolen photos, I'm going to put him in the "professional criminal" category and say he knew the risks.   :why_so_serious:

Nope.

They had pics taken from themselves and the person(s) they gave them to engaged in a perfectly legal act and spread about without their consent.  Doesn't equate.

I'd have the same problem if they'd charged Phelps with drug use based on the photo.

You want to ogle someone's photos they'd rather keep private without their consent at least have the character to own it and the insight to realize what you're doing.

I didn't hear this kind of outrage when Mark Sanchez had his naked ass plastered all over the tabloids by two chicks who videotaped it and sold it without his permission.

Because we just said he was stupid and should know better. My problem with this kind of pearl clutching is because there are literally thousands of examples where this kind of shit has happened to celebs before with drugs, or nude pics, or compromising photos, and they made an entire industry out of it.

If you want to blame the people for stealing or for making money off something that the celebrity didn't endorse, fine. I'm with you there.

If you want to get on a moral high horse against people for being curious, I'm never buying that argument. Which is fine. We disagree completely on what constitutes their boundaries. I think there are some pretty obvious double standards people are doing about looking at a photo.

You didn't hear any outrage because most people have no idea who the hell Mark Sanchez is.

I don't follow sports and we didn't have a 4-page 8 page "OMG I'M WANKING IT TONIGHT, BOYS. SHOW ME THE COCK NOW" thread about it, either.  They were wrong, and equally terrible people. Let's call 'em utter bitches.

Being curious and/ or catching sight in browsing is one thing.  Hunting it down, hooting and hollering like you won the lottery as shown in this entire thread is something else.  Yeah, we're not going to agree on that any more than some of us agree about inebriation and decision making.

That's in no way shape or form true. The NFL is the most watched TV thing in the USA. And he was a QB in New York city.

What's an NFL?

Yes, yes. We know your thoughts on handegg, Sam.  :roll:

This thread sure went downhill.  As soon as the leaks dried up, out come the knives.

I seriously have no idea who Mark Sanchez is, though.

No.

No it isn't.

And anyone who honestly doesn't know who she is, you aren't missing much. Except that science oven joke.

The most lasting contribution of his career:

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Can you just go ahead and say that anyone looking at the pictures is a rapist for gaining sexual gratification against their will using their bodies and depriving them of agency? You'r doing an okay job of tiptoeing around it but I can feel that you're dying to say it.

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Also:

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although given the context of that gif I feel :sad_panda: posting it here.

If somebody said to me "hey Gallo, you want some drugs? I just broke into Paelos's house and stole them!" I would say no...

I don't normally agree with Bob on things like this but here I agree.

I'll own that I looked at pictures someone else didn't want me to see and those pictures were arousing. I don't have any problem with admitting that. I have a problem trying to turn that into the moral equivalent of rape. Because it's not and it never fucking will be.

"Honey, can you get me another beer?"
"NO!"
"Well, I'm gonna get a beer, want one?"
"NO!"
"Well, I'm gonna get a beer."
"Haven't you had enough?  You better stop drinking."
"I'm getting a beer, woman."

In that circumstance I would steal the guy's drug-copier and get rich, duh.

I didn't say rape.  The foundation may be the same, but you're not rapists (AFAIK).

I'm saying the people looking at these pictures are disrespectful and selfish.  I'm absolutely saying that if you feel guilty about looking at them, you should listen to that guilt and do better next time.  I'm saying that anytime a woman - in any sexual context - says or conveys a desire that you not do something, it should be respected and heeded.  That is all I'm saying - and I doubt any of you really disagree with any of it.  And if you do, I'd appreciate it if you'd give your folks a ring and tell them they failed miserably.

This woman desires that you never touch yourself sexually ever again.  Or engage in any other sexual activity outside the framework of a sacramental marriage.

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She doesn't know you, her desire does not concern you specifically, and your actions have no impact on her, but I trust you will respect and heed her nonetheless.

Sorry, I don't either.

And I think it's fucking stupid to bring sex or sexual desire or whatever the fuck some assholes are talking about.  You guys do what you want.  For me, the lassies didn't want this shit out there and I'm going to respect that and not look because it doesn't make me feel good.  I don't care what the rest of you do; and I don't mean that in a bad way.

I'm kinda doing to others what I'd like done to me.  And whatnot.

Obvious troll is obvious.

If there are nudes of me out there, I'd want someone looking at them and getting aroused. :why_so_serious:

Consider it done!

I tried, but it didn't work. :drillf:

Photoshop a little and retry.

Same, for the hawtness.

In all seriousness, I believe these people took these pictures because they wanted to share them with someone. They have mirrors, they know what they look like naked. They didn't erase them, they kept them. They liked these pictures. They enjoyed taking these pictures. They weren't embarrassed of their bodies. In all likelihood they did send these pics to someone. There's not really such a thing as privacy once it leaves your control. Mark Sanchez is that example I used earlier.

The audience just got too big for them. The only part they don't like out of any of this is the audience, which negates the moral part of it for me. There are other examples where pictures got leaked of celebrities and we didn't have this discussion. We're picking and choosing what type of pictures matter just like they are picking and choosing what type of people matter. In the end, they made a mistake keeping something in an insecure matter that got leaked, and hopefully other people will learn from that error if they don't want something similar to happen.

 :uhrr:

Honestly I think they did. I think they either wanted to show them to someone they were banging, or they got a psychological high from the risk that someone might see them. Because that's the narcissist in themselves. They love people looking at them and they love showing off. They lost control here.

I believe they aren't embarrassed of their bodies at all. QUITE the opposite. I believe they are pissed more at the possible PR hit and loss of income than anything. If you hate your body or are against nudity you don't take personal photos of yourself in compromising positions.

There is a point though... why else does someone take a picture of himself/herself in the first place? I see myself all the time, so I don't need to see photos of me. I take them to show other people. Meh...

I don't think a single one of the celebs who had their pictures stolen hate nudity or their bodies. There's a difference between sending a picture of yourself to a single, trusted person that you are emotionally connected to and just publishing your naked selfies to the wider web. Nothing wrong with either of those choices but the choice should be with the person who took the photos, not some random hacker. The rationalisations going on here are starting to echo the 'she secretly wanted it' rape apology which should not be a hill anyone wants to die on.

And you would tell those same people that they are morons for sending naked photos, even to a trusted person. Because you understand the web and the risks.

What do we tell every single teenager using snapchat? What do we tell kids when it comes to the internet and photos? What do we as a society constantly remind people about their identity on the web?

Do you really think that they don't understand the risks here? I honestly don't think they care, or their own hubris overroad their judgement. You'd have to be living under a damn rock to not understand as a celebrity that people are out to photograph you against your consent daily. Let alone if you HELP them along.

I think they're people, dumb as any other, and didn't realize the risks.  If a trusted person releases private info it's a betrayal of trust.  If a mugger steals that info from your trusted friend it's a crime and not a betrayal.  Intent does matter.

I'm in no way saying "she secretely wanted it" because I know they did not. Paelos may be trying to make that argument in kind of a circular way.

Neither one of us are of the opinion that merely LOOKING at the pictures makes us rapists because again, that's an idiotic and hyperbolic moral equivalency that I think utterly nullifies the trauma that rape causes. If I'm caught looking a naked woman who didn't close the blinds, I am wrong for invading her privacy (as I am invading the privacy of the celebs whose photos I looked at) but I didn't rape her. I'm wrong for looking (though it's  understandable because I like the boobies) and she's dumb for not closing her damn blinds. It's not her fault her privacy got violated though she could have taken precautions to prevent it - which sounds a lot like celebs not securing their photos on their phone.

But if I didn't break into her house and actually, physically assault her, I'm no more guilty of rape than I am when I look at these pictures. It's just not the same thing and though jgsugeden doesn't want to say that, it's absolutely what he's implying as are a lot of the people clutching the pearls about this. Where was the outrage when Pam Anderson's sex tape got out? Oh right, she made sure she got paid for it, so that's ok, right? She wasn't releasing that tape before it got out, but once it did, she said "It's out there, rather than try to stamp it out, I'll just make sure the company gives me a cut." This is no different except in scale and the fact that the idiots who stole the stuff couldn't sell it.

Oh Dear God.

I'm saying I have no problem looking at something that a person had no problem creating in the first place, bottom line. I would feel differently if the pictures were taken by someone else, without consent. The Erin Andrews thing is a good example. I didn't think those should be viewed because at no point did she ever think those pictures were a good idea.

Would you have no problem with someone's private diary being published against their will?

Don't put words in my mouth.  I get tired of the people around here rephrasing my argument and then blasting their rephrase.  There are four wheels on a skateboard and four wheels on a car - that doesn't make a skateboard a car.  The things I called attention to might also be true of rapists, but I am NOT saying that people looking at these photos are the same as people that physically assault others in a sexual fashion.  AFAIK, you set the limits on your code of conduct shy of that point.  Congratufuckinglations.

Do I think your limits come too close to that line?  Hell yes.  Do I think this type of disregard for others is a stepping stone on a much worse path?  It sure can be.  However, by itself, it is not rape. 

To be clear: I think the justifications people are giving are just crap, and the people making those justifications are crap.  However, I also think most of them realize it and maybe some of them *might* just decide they've been assholes long enough - and might be better people the next time something like this rolls around.  At least I really want to think that is true. 

I like boobs.. they are on the internet.. I saw them.  They were, for the most part, glorious.  I do not feel bad and the owners of said boobs have nothing to be ashamed of. 

Was it wrong how they got there?  Yes.  However they are out there now.  There is no way you are ever going to get around them, they aren't going to mystically disappear.  From now til the internet ends if you image search nudes/boobs/etc. they are going to come up.  Not only that if you've ever looked at nude pictures on the internet than you've probably looked at some random persons leaked nudes that didn't get any press because they weren't famous. 

Oh and as an aside.. if anyone has ever jerked off thinking of an ex are those people rapists too?

This thread is not at all what I expected considering the other boobies thread.

That's not the question. The question is about reading said celebrity/public figure diary once it hits the internet. Once something is out there, I don't think it makes you a shitty person for being curious. But even if it was a diary I guarantee we wouldn't be having this debate, just like if it were dudes doing drugs in the pictures.

My problem with this situation is people are trying to pile on because this is about:

A - Women
B - Nudity
C - Celebrities

You can be mad at people for hacking them all you want. But lumping in the viewers is ridiculous in my mind. It's that moral extension that YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD YOU DIRTY PERV that I'm against. To people that say I should feel bad? Fuck you, I don't. Nor should anybody else who was curious about the boobs.

If you want to get meta about this, what's the difference between viewing these pictures, or reading details of the personal lives of celebrities published by tabloids against the wishes and interests of the celebrities in question?  Does how the tabloid got the details (angry exes, personal assistants getting paid, secret microphones in the powder room at an awards show) apply moral weight to the millions of voyeurs that encourage the violation with their interest?

--Dave

There's not any. People are mad because it's naked chicks, and they have a hangup about that.

People are "mad" because of the total disregard for how the actual people feel about it.  Is it the worst thing ever to look at the pictures? No.  But to be so dismissive of what the people want is still being kind of shitty.  That's the long and short of it.  Whatever, it's your life do what you want.

Someone just hack Paelos' personal e-mail and send it to 4-chan.  He sent it via the internet and wrote it so clearly he wanted someone else to read it. Ergo we all have the right to snoop through it and read every last bit.

Nobody has a hang up about naked chicks. You want to justify it so you don't feel bad about yourself.

Keep making up analogies, they are hilarious. By the way if you find any naked pics in there, be sure to put those on the web as well.

I don't have to justify anything. I don't think you're wrong for not wanting to see them. I just don't think it's some kind of moral shit-fit you want to make, so I'm saying it in the thread.

Only in f13 is looking at girls who get paid to wear skimpy clothes considered rape. Half those girls leaked will be showing their boobies at 30 to stay relative.

It's not the looking at it I object to.  Haemish's and Drider's stance is fine with me--it's nothing to be proud of, it's not horrible in the grand scheme of things, and they like boobies.  Morally grey is fine since they own up to it.  It's the trying to act like the celebs deserve it and it's perfectly fine that annoys those of us raising objections.  It shows no respect at all for these people.

This idea of rape through picture ogling is just the natural extension of political correctness run to its extreme.  The cycle is coming to its inevitable end, I hope.  Someone who actually believes it is not going to be convinced otherwise because he/she has been brainwashed.  

Or maybe it's just fun winding you, Malakili, and jgsugden up about it, watching you sputter in impotent moral outrage?

--Dave

K.

Yep, this is a politics thread.

The looking at the leak pics is psychic rape meme was up on the Guardian from an Aussie CIFer by breakfast, only hours after they first appeared.

Incidentally i woke at 4am with IBS pains so caught em on my reddit app on the phone, long before i realised the photons that bounced off my eyes hurtled their way to Hollywood to form a tear in the eye of an actress.

Did F13 just fuck up a thread about titties? Yes it did.

It's sort of why I didn't want to say anything else. Plus, you know, Haemish's position is basically the way I feel. I ain't gonna do it, I was sort of curious that no one was asking 'is you gonna do it?', and sort of wanted reassurance that everyone thought, "it's kind of nasty that someone stole these things". But it's not really my business what people do beyond that and I understand the impulse to look well enough. Anything more is Politics.

I think it's just crossover from the other thread, really. I don't think this even comes up if that hadn't just turned into a clusterfuck.

If I see the pictures, I'll look at them.  I'm not going to actively seek them out.  While whoever is responsible for their release should be arrested and jailed, the celebs taking those pics and putting them up into the fucking "cloud" are dumber than a chocolate Santa.  If I want tits and ass, Pornhub and the like are available whenever I want.

All the subreddits got banned anyways.

I'm sure the pictures are out there on the interwebs somewhere.

They will never be gone.  You can still google ScarJo and they pop up.

I saw some of the pics. I felt like I was intruding on privacy and felt bad and I didn't look at any more.

I'm not going to be high and mighty about it, either way around.

I don't know if its cuz I'm somewhat more clinical about nudity than most, having grown up on the topless beaches of the Mediterranean, but I'm perhaps less shocked or excited about JLaw or anyone else's boobs. I also somehow feel its less 'rapey' to have just seen them naked. On the other hand, if what I hear is correct, there are photos of intimate sex acts, or at least their aftermath, and that _does_ seem somehow lke a far greater invasion of privacy. Don't get me wrong, the plain 'nude' photos are a bit pervy to enjoy overly-much but being an unwanted watcher of an actual act of intimacy seems order of magnitude worse.

One is 'removing the mystery' of what Celebrity_101's boobs look like. BFD. In fact, its kinda bad, since now I can't imagine her any other way, since I now know the plain biological truth about her mamaries, be they nice or not.

The sex act, tho, seems beyond the pale.

Use a normal camera next time.

I live in a nice suburb.  The neiborhood is pretty quiet, until one morning.  It started out with everyone going to the cars for their normal morning drive to work.  To our horror, a lot of us found our car doors open.  Even worse, All the change and objects of value were taken from our cars.  People who locked their cars didn't have anything happen to them.   My wife had left her license, credit cards, and cash in her car.  They took the cash, and threw the wallet on the lawn.

Man, I was pissed.  Looking back on it now, I was also pretty careless.  It's pretty trivial effort to lock your car doors at night.  It's even easier to not leave your wallet in your car.  I still hope the fuckers who did it get kneecapped though.

And then they took the cash and gave it to the homeless. Are the homeless assholes for accepting the money, despite their natural desire to use that money to eat?

Never take Slog bait man, it's always a trap.

In Montreal it's basically better to leave your car unlocked. The bums will smash your window to get in if they see anything that looks grab-able or think there's some cash or anything valuable. better to leave it unlocked and have the guy grab your 2$ of meter change and not have to replace your window.

I figure they bought some Heroin but who cares what they did with the cash?  My shit got ripped because I was careless. 

No win or lulz involved. They'd tell you NYPA and post 100 "OP is a fag" gifs.

This logic makes perfect sense to me, but everyone I know acts like I'm weird for leaving my car unlocked at all times. There's nothing valuable in there. I have no idea what they think I would be preventing by locking up.

There was one young adult in the neighborhood living with his folks who was a heavy drug user and low-level dealer, he'd sometimes go up and down the block in the wee hours looking to see if there was anything in unlocked cars worth having. We used to keep a bit of change in the bucket by the stick shift and he just ripped the whole bucket out one night to take the change. That's when we started locking at night. He never did go as far as breaking windows before the cops finally busted him.

A lot of people won't go as far as breaking the window.  Also draws attention, so it does some good in keeping it from being stolen. 

You are in fact very strange for not locking it ezrast!

When I was younger and lived on campus U wouldn't lock my doors because people wouldn't be care.If they saw something they wanted they'd jiggle the door handle then smash the window to get in. On one would even look ou the window to see what the noise was. Now I live in a nice neighborhood where everyone has security systems and whatnot. Now I do lock my doors because an alarm going off is probably an actual break-in instead of a drunk doing drunk stuff and the the only people out here that would break into a car are people who either want to steal the car and can get in, or lack the skill and don't want the noise.

Wait a sec, this is about people who will earn far more than us, right?

And boobies.

Not really.  It's about whether or not you should pick up a pack of donuts from the highway after someone hijacked the truck and left the door open.

You should never pick up food that you don't know where it's been unless you are starving.

I know this because I once did something very bad.

Let's say these are Entermann's powdered donuts that are still in the packaging.  You also have a donut-virus scanner.

EDIT: This happened last time I was in Charlotte.  I did not get out to grab any donuts.

You know, substituting boobies for food in that sentence really doesn't change the end result, but it makes it a shitton funnier.

You might as well have.  All that product was probably just dumped anyway.


Edit:  I read that as if it was a crash and not a hijack. 

I don't really know what happened in the real situation, but it looked like the driver forgot to latch the rollup door.  Which, now that I think about it, makes for a much better analogy.

;D

Entenmann's Donuts would be like a Fran Drescher leak. I mean, you'll eat them if you have nothing else to eat but they were at their best 20 years ago. And even then, they weren't very good.

This leak was more like finding a truckload of Hostess Donettes (Crumb varietal, obviously) show up on your doorstep with a sign saying, "these are for you."

Alright, we can be agnostic on donut brand.  Let's say someone you know that is generally up to no good comes by your house and offers you a crate of assorted donuts.  Bonus: he says he downloaded the donuts and the original owners are none the wiser.

I take the doughnuts.

Life's too short to turn down illicit doughnuts.

My wife owns a bakery, so I'd say I can already get better donuts for free.

Wait, what was this thread about again?

Your wife owns a bakery? Where do you live? Let's talk about that. It's more interesting than theoretical boob-doughnuts.

No...  :heartbreak:


but then yes.   :drill:

But not really because I baked chocolate chip muffins this morning and don't need any more baked goods today.

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A DONUT.

You fuckers can still make me laugh.

Motherfucker, I wouldn't just download a donut, I'd download a car to deliver them to Yegolev.

If I could download donuts, I'd never leave the fucking house.

Well, I mean, you wouldn't be able to. Because you'd be Mississippi fat.

Yep, Wisconsin.  Bakery is about 30 minutes away in a town that isn't really big enough to support a bakery.  :uhrr:

They make and fry donuts (and other stuff) from scratch every day.

After three years or so I'm mostly sick of donuts.  Rarely eat them anymore and when I do they better be fresh and amazing.  Something I would I have said would never happen if you asked me three years ago.

All sympathy given to you is now forever revoked,

Nope.

At least a dozen.

Haha, I know you are lying, nobody gets sick of eating donuts.

I'll dry my tears with this delicious, moist, dark chocolate and peanut butter muffin.

I'm spoiled rotten and I freely admit it, I enjoy bragging about my wife and do so whenever the opportunity presents itself.  She loves to cook and is very, very good at it.  We had people over to try out Legendary Encounters (board game) on Sunday and lunch was sues vide salmon with a white wine sauce, risotto and a mango spinach salad.

It's why she is running the bakery even though she doesn't even pay herself minimum wage, it's more or less her dream job.

So THAT's how that happens.

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100811151741/theitcrowd/images/6/69/Roy_with_shite.png)

My family owned a pizza place for about 5 years when I was in High School, so I can empathize. Nobody believed me in college when I said I was sick of pizza and didn't want to order any.  You also never stop being really critical of other peoples products, either.

Your wife and my wife should duel. Mines an amateur baker but apparently her cookies are good enough that a local dude wants to sell them during the fall/winter this year. Admittedly they are really really fucking good. Also, I haven't lost weight since I met her and I'm basically a food snob.

Wait, what? When did you get married? Last time I looked you were like 19 and sharing a place with a bunch of people in Texas.

Ah yes, when someone takes you to that "New amazing restaurant!" and after your first bite while everyone else is raving how good it is all you're thinking is "This isn't anything special, I get better than this at home and it costs 1/10th as much."  :uhrr:

I may be mostly sick of donuts but I get plenty of other stuff that keeps me fat - http://imgur.com/a/Nn2uv (http://imgur.com/a/Nn2uv)

You mean I was 24 and sharing a place with a bunch of people in Phoenix. Cracka, we old. That was 9 years ago.

Bleh, wiped my phone. Somewhere there is pictures of cake.

Oh damn that cake looks awesome and interesting texture on those round pate a chouxs.

I like the direction the thread has taken.

Me too; current favorite is the glazed cruller type.

Boobs and food, what's not to like?

I want some sour cream doughnuts. I wish there were some sour cream pastries of other varietals.

(http://www.seriouseats.com/images/2013/07/20130719-costanza-bed-eating.jpg)

Less fappening more useless f13 history please.

(http://i.imgur.com/BIGaP.gif)

Wasn't there a Norwegian guy on this forum a few years ago who went to the US, tried doughnuts for the first time and then made it his life's mission to abandon his previous career and open a doughnut store back home?

I remember that, including a thread that should be floating around here somewhere. Didn't it just sort of fizzle without any conclusion?

IIRC he was about to give up his job and head to the US and then he just vanished from the forum and never posted again.

Was he the same guy that talked a lot about gun laws in Norway?  Maybe that is someone else.

Edit:  Quick F13 search reveals it may have been Photek.  Quick google search reveals zero hits for Photek's Donut Emporium.

Yes, it was Photek.

If I remember correctly he believed it would be doomed to failure because Norwegians were too health conscious to eat more than one or two.

Wisconsin, you say? I am coming to steal your wife.

For the spergs reading this, relax. I am just kidding. I would never kidnap anyone. And definitely not someone who could kill me with my own hyperglycemia.

Who were the winners in all this? Reddit, for one. (http://www.wired.com/2014/09/celeb-pics-reddit-gold/)

Don't give schild ideas :awesome_for_real:

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=16179.0

I'm going to reach out to Photek and see how the Donut shit went.

Two Harvard student invested cupcakes from a spray can.  Really.  Donuts cannot be far behind.

Downloading donuts and pulling off some El Bulli shit is not the same.

3-Donut Printer. ;D

Just need an edible printing medium and we are living in the future utopia we were promised.  (Still no flying cars, dammit!)

Every town in Wi can support three things: pubs, a sausage factory, and a bakery. That said, if it's near the IL/WI border, and if you don't mind, what town and bakery?

Donut stalker!

I'll take printable donuts over mid air collisions all day.

Man, I want some donuts now.

THRAWN, SHIP ME DONUTS.

I asked her about sour cream pastry this morning and she said she does make sour cream cake donuts and occasionally cookies as well.  :oh_i_see:

I have an address.

If this is the ask for baked goods thread now.. Anyone in WA or CO wanna send me some "brownies?" :awesome_for_real:

Maybe our next donation drive could include a bake sale?  :why_so_serious:

Please to be sending me doughnuts in TX!  :awesome_for_real:

Thread needs to be renamed THE FATTENING. Amirite?

Naw you're wrong.

Apparently Schild faps to donut porn.   :awesome_for_real:

(http://us.acidcow.com/pics/20100607/girls_with_donuts_28.jpg)


Edit for warning:  Don't actually google "donut porn".

No Boston creme, 2/10 would not fap.

Those donuts have sharp sprinkles.

Donut frosting on her toe eww, stop ruining perfect donuts with scantily clad women.

Certain donuts are more fap-worthy than many of the pics, for sure.

I was in Santa Monica last night at 10:30pm. There was a Krispy Kreme donuts and a Dunking Donuts within about a block of each other. The Krispy Kreme was closed down, looking very everyday compared to the other buildings. The Dunkin Donuts, on the other hand, had a line out the door. It had music playing, sleek visuals, and a decor reminiscent of stores like Pinkberry and other modern eateries.

Rundown coffee shop, it is not.

Strangely, I don't think we have any chain donut places in SF yet.  Nearest Krispy Kreme is a few miles outside the city limits, and I don't think Dunkin exists anywhere in the greater Bay Area.

This is my local donut shop, which doubles as a 24 hr diner and trucker bar.   More bars should sell donuts.  :drill:

Wow that place looks like a completely dive.

I already love it.

Often, the shittier a place looks, the better the food. It's probably equally likely that the food will kill you, just not in the way the health department thinks.  :why_so_serious:

It's pretty awesome.  If it were just a little less sketchy it would be overrun with hipsters.  I suspect as soon as the owners (an old Greek couple who've been running the place since the 70s) die it'll get leveled and replaced with a Starbucks.

The food's pretty standard mediocre diner food, but it's open 24 hours, it's not Denny's, and the donuts are good.

What an eclectic collection of cars outside...

Damn right!

I'll second Segoris' request for name and town if Thrawn doesn't mind.  I'm in the same area as Segoris IIRC and I'd definitely be willing to drive a bit to support a fellow F13er (and get me some tasty, tasty donuts!).

Roughly 5+ hours from the IL border.  :heartbreak:  We're closer to the Twin Cities.

Used to drive by that place regularly.  One thing I miss about the Bay Area was the lack of chains and all the various places to get food.  It is harder and harder to find a good diner up there though, most of the ones I tried were pretty lame.

Being in California those cars are probably people's average driver cars for everywhere.  60 year old cars survive pretty well out there if they aren't completely neglected or wrecked.

Damn right!

I'll second Segoris' request for name and town if Thrawn doesn't mind.  I'm in the same area as Segoris IIRC and I'd definitely be willing to drive a bit to support a fellow F13er (and get me some tasty, tasty donuts!).
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I missed being called a donut stalker, and yet I'm perfectly alright with that :grin: And yeah, I think we're both in/around McHenry co, and that was my thought - support local f13 and get some good baked goods as I find this area lacking

And doh Thrawn, nice area but yeah roughly 4-4.5 hours the last time I made that trip is a bit too far for baked goods

Let me tell you about my experience with Starbucks 'Old-Fashioned' Donut.

I didn't realize that when they say "Old-Fashioned," what they really meant was "Bullshit."

First, I don't recall what era in history donuts were served inside sealed plastic wrapping, but this anachronism wasn't lost on me. OK, I thought. Perhaps the taste of an earlier era was the important part. I freed my pre-ride fuel from the evils of baked goods preservation. When I took that first bite, I was disgusted. There was more frosting than donut. It was like they handed a paintbrush of sugar shit to a baby and let him go hog wild on that fried bread canvas. Then, worst of all, the thing *fell apart in my hands.* Old-fashioned! I'll take modern era donuts from my local shop any day of the week -- it's half the price, twice the taste, freshly baked, and structurally sound!

I'm going to Dunkin' Donuts tonight to get the sonuvabitch out of my short-term memory.

I don't really get a boner over donuts (doughnuts?).  I don't get it.  But then I remember that I would probably kill a few of you for just one good maple bar, and then I sorta understand.

Here, at least, all of Starbucks stuff is pre-made and not made in stores.

To re-rail back onto the original topic of the thread, Wave Two of the leaked photos hit this morning. It's not as big as the first but there is some interesting things in it, especially if you like Kaley Cuoco.

Also, just a quick mention but not for discussion, Zoey Quinn confirmed (complete with pictures she herself posted) for "dating" a 4chan mod during that whole mess.

Don't even know where to find this shit anymore.


lol

Small side: It turns out that Dunkin Donuts was the first on the west coast, hence the 2 hour line.

It's being leaked on some realtime photo/chat thing called Vola in a bunch of different private channels. It's being reposted to 4chan but those don't last long. There's more McKayla Maroney nudes (Probably underage) and some shots of Bella Thorn (definitely underage, she's 16) including one nude. It's only a matter of time before someone posts them, but mods aren't really letting the threads stay up anyway. There are sites that have all the pics cataloged, if anyone wants the address of one send a PM, I don't want to post a link in here.

There's also 50000 more picks of Jennifer Lawrence in this batch too. I don't see how she's found time to do any acting in between taking pictures of herself naked. Some of these pics are pretty bad though, there's some of her passed out drunk or sitting in bathrooms waiting to be sick. It's also pretty much ended her chances of a huge payday for doing a nude part later if that's what she was holding out for.

When it was on Reddit it was zero effort. Now there's effort required. I guess I can just wait for a Pirate Bay torrent to pop up, which it will. Eventually.

Also, 50,000? Jesus.

The Hope Solo pics might as well have been camwhore screenshots.

Oh, lawdy!  I love being right. :awesome_for_real:

4chan is kill. Goodnight sweet prince.

8chan is the new 4chan.

Those were pretty... anyway, I genuinely feel bad for her. I had no idea who she was beforehand.

The last time she was on the news it was for abusing her nephew, so this is like an improvement.

http://www.emmayouarenext.com/

Oh man.. the internet will blow it's collective wad if this is true. 

I'm not a huge Emma Watson fan, but she has a definite following out there.

Jennifer Lawrence really must have a deal with Satan, this totally takes the spotlight off her now. Apparently some of the leakers told her if she spoke at the UN and gave her feminism speech they would leak her stuff. I didn't think they had any stuff from her, but so far they've been 100% as good as their word, and early Sundays is when the leaks have hit.

Yes, because they've been sitting on the Holy Grail of leaked nudes just in case they needed them for leverage in pursuit of the all-important goal of... um... stopping Emma Watson from saying a thing.  That makes complete sense.

 :uhrr:

Obvious troll is obvious.  If anything the prominent placement of the 4chan logo on that page makes me think this is someone who's trying to stir up some backlash against 4chan (maybe someone disgruntled with how moot has "sold out").

I didn't find anything outrageous in her speech... nothing too far on the militant side of things. Dunno..

Emma Watson is a shitty holy grail. Her body ain't near bangin' enough. If they were sitting on like, JLH at her prime, that'd be one thing. Paste Emma's head onto any eastern european porn chick and you've kinda got reality.

Yeah, I can't imagine why anyone would give any fucks one way or the other.  It was a nice speech but it's not going to change the world and I can't imagine anyone finding it terribly offensive (I'm sure the hardcore MRA types can find much better things to be offended about, and from what I've heard third-hand even they aren't generally taking offense since she actually said some things about men's issues).

If I were a tinfoil wearer I'd be more inclined to believe the countdown site is meant to grab eyeballs for her speech (since that's the only thing it's accomplished), but I can't imagine Watson herself doing anything so obviously batshit insane, nor can I imagine anyone else being that deeply invested in getting those eyeballs.  So my money is on "lone troll doing it for the lulz".

fakeedit re: holy grail, don't underestimate how many 20something nerds grew up with her as their first celebrity crush.  Those nerds are now the dominant demographic of the Internet.

Yep. She's the slave leia of the Harry potter generation.

Yes, and they're all going to be pretty upset. Not as upset as people who wanted to see Katie Holmes' tits though. But still quite let down.

Both the UN speech and the fake countdown site will be forgotten before the week is out.  Calling it now.

but but never forgive never forget 9/11

911 is a joke. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPNK0VspQ0M)

Those people probably aren't that upset, her tits spent a lot of time on camera while she was being killed wearing nothing but thin cotton panties by Greg Kinear in a swamp.It's been a decade or two but I remember them being oggleable.

You remember poorly. Maybe one of the worst racks in Hollywood. Going by famous people standards, not normal humans.

Any links for the hope solo sextape yet? Google is only giving me crap results. I also checked youjizz, http://theporndude.com/ and hardsextube, but nada :(

It looks like half of the female celebs went amateur pornstar :D I would expect chicks with their status to be more careful, but they're just as 'ignorant' as any other girl :D

Although, if my dick pics would be out there, I don't think the FBI would be all over the case to find the guilty one :p

I hate to agree with angry.bob but his memory is better than yours. :awesome_for_real:

It is not. I never forget a pair of tits. Posting in the boobpreciation thread.

Can Katy Perry make a speech at the UN please?

For real.. Although I wonder if she really is a good Christian, as she claims to be, or is just smart enough to not take naked selfies.  I am really surprised nothing has come out for her.

The actual good Christians inevitably refer to themselves as bad Christians, so probably not.

Pretty much.

(https://i.imgur.com/R8beujp.jpg)

I'm with Schild these batch was less obvious and honestly if it weren't for females asking me about them I wouldn't know or care. Now that I know about them though I feel obligated to look.

tl;dr version: clickbait hoax having nothing to do with 4chan, as expected.

I was very disappointed with the second batch until emily ratajkowski got leaked, holy shit that woman is absolute perfection.  And before you asked who it is the brunette from blurred lines.

I thought the Hayden Panettiere stuff was nice if not too revealing. Well, I guess there was that one shot of the front of her crotch with her panties being pulled down and a couple of boob pics, but other than that it was just vacation beach shots. I did really like the pick of her on the couch drinking coffee in a bathrobe and a floppy paddington bear hat. For some reason seeing her sitting there looking like a sweaty little WoW gnome was really hot.

I liked the Aubrey Plaza movies, but in honesty my wife looks enough like her and acts like her character from P&R so it wasn't as sexytime as it normally would have been. Watching her grind away all I could hear in my brain was my wife asking me about doing chores.

The 4chan thing seemed very obviously fake. It was just like a single post on 4chan that was quoted, as if a single person somehow represents 4chan.

It's like sending out a Tweet that says "gonna leak pics" the reporting it is "Twitter threatens to leak pics."

Trippy is probably behind schildyouarenext.com

>_>

Talking of 4chan. Brad Wardell (of Stardock) unleashed 4/8chan on brokenforums special snowflake safe space and broke it*.  All in the name of the closed thread topic that rhymes with lamerbate. Absolute  overkill tbh, no one deserves attention from /b/ especially the majority who hadn't heard of lamerbate until anon came knocking.

*not literally, but its now locked down, private, with no new accounts.

How did Brad Wardell successfully do that? Also, lol.

with this tweet.

(http://i.imgur.com/WGVDe31.jpg)

It didnt trend for long, and the /r/kotakuinaction thread died soon after too. 8chan were interested long enough to pastebin a bunch of pages from the SJW thread.

edit: oh just read the replies  (https://twitter.com/draginol/status/514641078864347137)to that tweet. It did escalate, Brads now lawyering up over their Wardellgate thread.

hahah what a tool

 :popcorn:

Brad hates titties.

That entire...twhread is hilarious.

"Hay guyz if you pretend to want ethics in games journalism you can take part in a massive flamefest against SJWs. It's a full scale cultural war over here"

There are MRAs and feminists, every race under the sun, lefties joined with right wingers, every religion, sexuality and gender you can think of, all joined hand in hand in their hatred of SJWs.

Emily Ratajkowski is a goddess, wow. She easily wins this second cumming...I mean, round.

Not disappointed in Sarah Shahi either, although she's more tatooed than the Nameless One :P

It would be more appropriate if Emily Ratajowskis leaked photos were her fully clothed, as they are probably the only photos you can't find on the internet.

Reminds me of the "any Sasha Grey?" jokes in the first batch.

That shocked me, I'll admit.

Sooooooo. Part three is happening right now. So far 60+ more pictures of Jennifer Lawrence, Anna Kendrick, a few others. Anna Kendrick's so far have been about what she said they would be, Facebook level stuff. Jennifer Lawrence appears to have photographically documented every single time she has taken her clothes on or off.

I would like to see Anna Kendrick, but I like that she is smart enough not to take nudes on her phone.  She is still smokin' in some of those pics though.

Maybe it's her strategy, eventually there will be so many nudes of her floating around nobody will give a shit.

With as many of them that seem to exist, I don't think she gives a shit either.

Hate to mention this, but her whole 'butt plug' conversation with Conan is now taking on a whole new meaning.

Haven't seen the pics of Shahi, but if they were from when she was doing Bullet to the Head, they're probably fake.

Are the Winona shots contemporary?

I don't even see the Winona shots on my standard goto site for this shit.

Edit: Or on the master list.

http://o.canada.com/news/jennifer-lawrence-breaks-her-silence-over-nude-photo-theft

Vanity Fair probably paid a lot of money for this shit.

How about "I probably shouldn't have automatically backed up these pictures to a third party. I'm new to the internet."

She doesn't see the security risks of any digital information, especially for a high-profile target as her. Would celebrities hire someone to monitor and secure their private data (including *nude* photos??)?

My friend who runs an IT company has been reorienting his business to private data storage in order to lock down the sensitive data of the small businesses he serves. This is because of the uncertainty of the security of services like Dropbox and others that could be the target of hacks.

Her "Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should" is a bit naive. Obviously, this is devastating to her, but there's enough sociopaths on the internet who don't really give a shit about her.

I don't understand why it's devastating to her. I mean, I do, but it shouldn't really matter. She's probably going to lose a few contracts because she likes looking like a german goo girl, but any of this stuff she's done here shouldn't affect her career. It just seems immaterial to me. There's much better shots of much better looking girls on sites like cheeby, this is just so bleh.

Well, yes, the career impact wouldn't be significant. She's extremely talented, she could be caught red-handed murdering someone and the world will forgive her in five years after a touching portrayal of a flawed figure from history looking for redemption.

I'm talking about how it's devastated her emotionally. She views it as a violation for the basest reasons, and extremely embarrassing to have to inform her parents about a personal matter taking place in her life.

By the time of the interview she's gotten over the biggest hump.

It's pretty fucking straightforward and we're talking about a lot of actresses younger than us who grew up with the internet.

"Don't put personal shit on the internet."
"But it was on the cloud!"
"Where's the cloud?"
"On the internet?"
"EXACTLY."

Judging by the sheer quantity of pictures of her without clothes, there may have already been thousands of guys that have seen her naked.  I mean, damn.  The biggest problem for her, potentially, is that she has built this persona up as a nice, down-to-earth girl next door, with lots of charisma, charm and acting ability.  Pure and sweet.  And now you can add "giant slut" to that list.  That probably isn't a fair characterization, and not something we are really supposed to be shaming women or singling them out for.  And yet, that is what almost everybody is now thinking about Jennifer Lawrence.

I don't think it will hurt her career.  And if she really is worried about what daddy thinks...well, maybe keep your pants some of the time?

Not positive, but I'm pretty sure I read that those were all for an audience of one (her boyfriend at the time).  So, no, "giant slut" definitely isn't a fair characterization.  Not that there's anything wrong with being a giant slut, either, but she does not by a long shot qualify for that label on the basis of the pictures existing.

You might be right.  But superficially it appears to be a shitload of different settings, so people are going to draw whatever conclusions they want from that.  The point being that JLaw is at least somewhat afraid of tarnishing her image by coming across as a giant slut, whether it is because she fears for her career or she fears what daddy is going to think of her.  I don't think poorly of her for it, nothing wrong with being a giant slut.  Lots of people, OTOH, could have a problem with it.  The truth here doesn't matter at all, the perception does.  Even if I don't have a problem with it and will not watch more or less of her movies as a result of it, I am still left with a "geez Jennifer, try and keep your pants on" take on all of it.

I have a foolproof plan to help people make sure that naked pictures of themselves don't show up on the internet.

Step 1: Don't take naked pictures of yourself.

Done.

While it's certainly a terrible breach of privacy and shitty behavior that is undeniably criminal on the part of whoever stole her pictures, to equate it with OMG sex crime is an insult to victims of actual sex crimes.  The creation of the pictures was evidently wholly consensual and something she was okay with to enough of an extent to allow them to exist long enough to get swiped by nerds.  There are miles of difference between some reddit mouth-breathers jerking off to her boobs and a sexual assault.  Should people respect her wishes and not distribute her stolen pictures?  Yes.  Are the people who don't respect those wishes sex offenders?  No.

If some crazy fucker had kicked open the door to her bedroom and taken a bunch of pictures of her naked before dashing out and uploading them to the internet, then I would be on board with calling it a sex crime.

Sam Calls That Out.



Nice.

 :ye_gods: :uhrr:

Your quote there is confusing the hell out of me, because I didn't write any of those things.

Must be me reading it wrong.

But you can understand how SOME PEOPLE might read it that way.

 :grin:

Hah, okay.

To be clear, I don't know or care if she is a slut.  I don't actively worry about whether people are sluts are not.  I'd be a huge slut if I was in her position.

I'm just armchairing a little about how this could theoretically damage her reputation, or how she herself might be worried that it might.  I don't believe it will.  It might do the exact reverse.

She's talking personal rep, not professional.

Much like a picture of you beating off might, y'know, cause you to lose some friends and be treated like a pariah by your family.

Oh, but you were asking for it.

The world would be a better place if we were all a bit more slutty.

Her reasoning was sound.

This is a cybercrime of some sensitive personal material, not a sex crime. It delves into that realm when you get into underage stuff, but that is a hole other can of worms and grime. I won't go down the road of 'if you don't want it out there, don't take them in the first place.' People do weird shit and more power to them, but you have to know (especially if you are of that internet age) that anything going out over the interwebs can and probably will be scalped by someone; most definitely by government snoops, who are not all that moral to begin with.

So you have a lot of bad going on:
1. the company's Cloud storage and security, which I guess everyone doesn't realize, can be compromised.
2. The people who stole the materials.
3. The victim's ignorance to technology and autobackup processes.
4. And the general public for giving a shit about Hollywood people. I like good acting, but I don't care at all about the real people and their lives.

Polaroids people... completely forgotten about. (of course, those can be stolen and scanned and then spread, but that is a whole other story)

I don't spend any time in the dark alleys of the internet where pictures and movies of underage girls naked and having sex are traded, but I have come close enough to them to tell you; It's an absolute glut on the market.  Anybody with enough tech savvy to get TOR working can have *gigabytes* of them within hours.  Seems like every other teenage girl is getting some degree of "naughty" on camera, and it seems like it *always* gets shared and winds up bouncing around the dark net.

I'm not trying to make any kind of moral commentary there about what a decadent and degenerate age we live in.  Teenagers have always done things that they didn't want their parents to know about (you know what the rate of teen pregnancy was in 1950?  Triple what it is currently), but now there's video.  The biggest producers and purveyors of kiddie porn is teenage girls with smartphones.  And they don't grow out of it, as we have seen.

--Dave

Humankind is as a whole degenerate.  It's only a recent thing that we somehow try and act 'civilized' and have a respect for women.  There will ALWAYS be more people in the world willing to be vile shitbags than good ones.  The best thing you can hope for is they are pacified by things that don't hurt others.

I was actually talking about her 'My Boyfriend is a bloke and will look at naked women. I'd rather it was me.'  Seemed like really sound reasoning to me.

I try to imagine that most of the people I see have naked photos of themselves or a personal website where they earn income off their looks or gratifying someone's fetish.

There is a lot of sexual material from a lot of sources online. I mean, look at Reddit's GoneWild. It's difficult for me to comprehend.

Did you take the picture of yourself beating off and post it to the cloud?

If so, yes you're just as dumb as she is.

Except it only proves even JLaw does not understand men and naked women/porn.  A desire to look at random naked women is never reduced to zero no matter how many naked pictures of a particular naked woman are available.  

Ummm.....

Coolidge Effect. Hard-wired.

I'm not. Frankly, this isn't the 19-goddamn-50's anymore and we should have long since gotten over the notion that celebrities of any stripe are paragons of virtue. Half of the good film noir type stories are about some actor or actress from the 40's and 50's trying to cover up their nudie pictures or films. Nowadays we don't give a fuck. NOBODY but the prudiest of prudes gives a shit. It wont' damage her career one goddamn bit. We're past that. The media will tsk tsk while continually showing just as much skin as they possibly can without actually showing nudity but they don't give a shit either.

The only stars that might be damaged by this in their career are teen stars with some sort of idiotic good behavior clause. And even those don't mean shit anymore because Miley Cyrus killed everyone's image of what a Nickelodeon or Disney starlet is.

Seeing the pictures is not a sexual assault. IT JUST ISN'T.

TBH the only part of this whole thing that I find really disgusting is all the news articles I keep seeing in my Facebook feed which are tsk-tsking at the nude photos or Reddit or 4chan or whoever, using a picture of Jennifer Lawrence in a revealing dress (almost never just a headshot -- and why does she need to be forcibly made the public face of this thing any more than she already has been anyway?) as the headline photo.  Because they know that a titillating picture with the words "nude photo leak" next to it will get clicks.

JLaw made herself the public face of this when she got extremely upset about it, more (vocally) so than any other celeb.

IIRC she didn't even comment on it publicly until very recently; it was her face on the news stories for long before that.  Unless you're talking about her refusal to comment as the evidence she was upset (which is valid, but then "vocally" is exactly the wrong word to use)?  If any of the sympathy being expressed for her in the media was genuine, it wouldn't have gotten expressed in the way it did (by continually dragging her into the limelight).

Wasn't it JLaw['s lawyers] that issued DMCA takedowns over her leaked pics? Threads on 4chan were getting deleted like crazy and I thought it was because of her.

That could be, although it might not have been her doing directly, and if it was at her behest I'd say she probably was freaking out and not thinking clearly (understandable).  I very much doubt her intent was to become the public face of the whole thing -- it's more likely that if she was telling her lawyers to try to get rid of it she was hoping that it would have the opposite effect.  Not very Internet-savvy of her, but if she were Internet-savvy she'd have told her boyfriend to keep that shit encrypted and/or off the fucking Internet under pain of castration.

It's her ex boyfriend now, and if there's one thing exes do with noods...

Only people who are on the internet a lot are internet savvy, even among those raised with it.

This does not include most millionaires, celebrities and people of import.  The smart ones use a pittance of their income to pay for people to handle that.  Obviously not enough are smart enough to also tell their boyfriends, "Hey, you're not using cloud backup, right?"  This does not mean their information is up for grabs any more than your credit card information. I'm not sorry if that kills your boner.

Yes, you're wrong. No, I won't change my mind any more than you'll change yours.

Just cause you use the Internet a lot doesn't make you Internet savvy. There are people that use the Internet all day every day and don't understand how to protect themselves. You have to know something about computer security and how the Internet works to understand what the risks are.

Pretty much that.  I think it also applies to understanding what happens when you try to remove stuff from the Internet (you can't really, you just draw more attention to it), which is why I don't think you can take the fact that JLaw became the public face of this thing (whether it was because of ill-conceived DMCA takedown attempts or what) as indicative of her WANTING to become the public face of it, which is what I was getting at.  Clearly most celebrities are not Internet-savvy, and you can't assume that things they make happen on the Internet are the things they WANTED to make happen on the Internet.  I doubt Adam Baldwin knew what he was doing either.

I'm curious whether this leak being mainstream news is going to motivate anyone to become better informed about computer security, or motivate Apple/MS/etc to make encryption easier for end users.  I'm going to guess not, since most people's takeaway from this seems to be that some guy named 4chan stole the pictures using evil wizardry, but if enough people Like this Facebook status to show they're angry at him he'll be robbed of his powers and won't be able to hurt anyone any more.

Is this directed at me?

Fair enough, I guess. She's probably the highest profile celeb among those leaked, and there are a LOT of JLaw pics being leaked so the fact that she's at the forefront is honestly kind of inevitable. There are plenty of better looking, less well known celebs thrown in the bunch but JLaw is apparently super popular. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

She's the public face because she's the biggest star, and the news media knows just putting her name on a story will get them pageviews and eyeballs. So the news media promoted the shit out of this leak using her name as the lead story - "nude images of a number of celebrities including Jennifer Lawrence have been leaked" kind of thing. And every story accompanied by a picture of her in a sexy dress because eyeballs.

My wife is on her PC at home all day yet she struggles with how to word a google search.  I just tell her "ask the question you're asking me right now."  Her response is always "wow, that works well!".
/me facepalm

So I guess the next thing is "The Snappening". Apparently someone got access to an estimated 200,000 snapchat accounts and got all the pictures. Pictures are unsorted and uncatalogued or somesuch. Like someone just dumped a million photographs into a big sack. Sounds useless to me, but that's an awful lot of accounts.

Have a link? Ideally something other than reddit.

If they were storing them in some kind of database (as BLOB's) and someone found a way to interrogate it directly but didn't have access to the indexes that matched them to message ID's, senders and recipients, that's what they'd wind up with, a big bucket of pictures.

--Dave

It's probably worth mentioning that something like 45-50% of Snapchat users are under the age of 16.

Matt Smith has been exposed.  So there's some penis out there for anyone looking for it. 

So, what you're saying is that Snapchat is the largest database of child porn in the universe. Kool. 2Kool. 4Skool.

I thought the point of Snapchat was that the photos were automatically deleted?

Dear God No.  I'm given to understand Moffat may have written for it.

They disappear off the account / message, but like all things, that doesn't mean they are deleted everywhere.

TBH if a set of pics came out showing my smoking hot ex Daisy Lowe, my evident Shibari-Kinbaku skills and my large swinging dick I'd be thinking this can only be a good thing.

Heh. That might be its selling point but it probably gets passed through multiple networks before getting to your phone, and they leave a copy on every one of them. What something like that is passed through its like an email. Emails don't just pass sluglike though a network. they downloaded from network to network to get to you, and unless the network actively deletes the file email then it stays there where the next network downloads it from. By law companies have to keep every email for at least a month.

Its the same as a photo. there is no point that the photo is moving to your phone. A copy is being created at every stage. Phone Uploads to local network to wide network to network hub to other hub to network to your phone. That's basic network management. Downloading is making a local copy of something on another network, its not moving a file at all. So when each network downloads it they are all making local copies and then another network copies it to themselves. (Obviously there is a bit more to it but this is the simple explanation to illustrate a point)

So, frankly, if what comes out of this is people start actually twigging that NOTHING you send on the internet is private in any way, it may do some good. But the media will never cover that angle of the thing as it will blow the quiet secret of the internet wide open. NOTHING on the internet is private. Hell when I was working as tech support I could read every email that the company people received if I wanted.

Frankly if you want to finds the perps of this just look at the network managers of each network hub that Data passes though on the worldwide internet web. All they have to do is search for JPGs on their server every day and DL them to a portable drive for later examination. Bing. It does not matter if the local copy of the customer is deleted as that will not affect the hub copies.

If you want to share nudie photos with your significant other buy a flash drive and hand it over personally or by post. Otherwise all you are doing is feeding porn networks.

Anyway, the point of this is that these people are having pictures of themselves seen by people they had not given consent to and their privacy is invaded. Of course anyone would be upset by that, but sitting on your high horse and saying that they should have known is bollox. Few people have any idea how the internet really works, and expecting non techie people to know that shit is totally nieve, and the media and advertising industry is not helping by spreading blatant mistruths about it.

Being as Snapchat is providing the servers, you'd think any copy of the file they keep for any length of time would be encrypted.  Of course there's going to be a way to get the keys, but then snarfing every Snapchat ever sent becomes a MUCH more difficult problem than "grab everything off this filer".

Of course it is but I was being simplistic to illustrate a point rather than getting bogged down in 2 pages of clarifications. Besides we are making assumptions that the snapchat photos are getting deleted off the server. They may be, but I wouldn't bet my life savings on it. AND if they get passed through intermediate servers then there's no way to guarantee that THEY are wiping their storage.

And frankly breaking inscription just takes time. It depends on how badly you want the Tits and how much expense and effort you are willing to expend to get them.

Small note - it wasn't snapchat itself, it was a 3rd party snapchat service called snapsaved.com (http://www.businessinsider.com/snapchat-hacked-the-snappening-2014-10). Whose purpose, was to, uh, be a web portal to snapchat and optionally save pictures.

Oh dear :facepalm:

Welp, there ya go.   :awesome_for_real:

Again, I'm surprised Snapchat allowed for that to exist.  Again, apparently encryption is hard.  Derp.

Rumor is that the owner of snapsaved* granted admin access to a bunch of random people the other day, who predictably downloaded all the things and then reuploaded them. Hence, the Snappening.


*There are a bunch of apps whose purpose is to save snaps; I'm not sure if this is the most popular one but it's certainly not the only one. Snapchat now actually allows you to save pics, but it lets the other party know you've done so. People looking to save noods either a) on the dl or b) before that was allowed in-app had to look for/create 3rd party apps like this.

Exactly. The internet is forever not because of the rules of the originating service, but of the end client.

Never trust the client.

That sounds like a Rule™ from somewhere  :wink:

Never trust the client is a programming rule.

I prefer Dont Trust the Skull.

Snapchat's "message/photo deleted after reading" is only believed by idiots.

I mean, if you send me a photo on snapchat, nothing actually prevents me of taking a screenshot on my phone to save the picture, and I've seen people who barely knew how to use their phones know how to take screenshots.

It actually tells the person who sent it when you do that, so it's actually so expected snapchat makes a point of checking for it and sharing that info.

huh, did not know that.

Does it stop people from doing it? cause just knowing about it doesn't exactly change anything.

Lets you know not to send them any more pictures you don't want saved.   :awesome_for_real:

They only get a notification if you use Snapchat's screenshot option. If you use a 3rd party program, they are not notified.

I don't think that's correct -- taking a screenshot on an iPhone (maybe it's different on an Android phone) is a native iOS function that you can do from any app.  I can't imagine how you'd use one app to take a screenshot of another app given that iOS doesn't really let you use more than one app at once.  So if you take a screenshot in Snapchat, you're doing it using the standard iOS method of pressing the power and home button at the same time.  When you do that, it sends a signal to the app and the app notifies the other party.

I can easily believe an Android would have an easier way around that.  Of course even with a "trusted" device ain't nothing stopping someone from taking a picture of the physical screen.   :awesome_for_real:

(edit) I'd personally view Snapchat as "keeping honest people from making honest mistakes" and wouldn't send any "sensitive data" to someone I didn't trust.  The app adds value only inasmuch as the default behavior is paranoia -- e.g. if you email something, there's a copy of that email sitting around unless the recipient explicitly deletes it, whereas if you Snapchat something, the default is for it to go away unless the recipient explicitly circumvents that.

The third party programs take your Snapchat login info, and just download the pics before they go to the native Snapchat app. There's no screenshot taking involved. This is on Android. Also, the thing that got "hacked", Snapsaved.com, is a PC tool/site that does the same thing along with letting you send snaps from PC.

Oh well yeah, once you have a 3rd party app that connects directly to the Snapchat database, all bets are off.  I'm surprised that Snapchat permits that in the first place; they might not be able to make it IMPOSSIBLE, but they could do some simple encryption and update it every once in a while, forcing 3rd-party apps to reverse-engineer it each time to keep their apps working (which would be enough of a pain in the ass that nobody would bother maintaining an app under those conditions, especially since it'd also open them up to liability under the DMCA).