Mechwarrior Online

[Evildrider]

So you are one of those people?  cuz idiots that do that don't kill me.  

[Arthur_Parker]

Well you can try it or not, up to you.  I can get 4-5 kills in a jenner, though I've tended towards 3 tons of armour I think it is, 19 HS 2 mpl, 2 ml, not firing the two ml most of the time due to heat.  In a K2 or Atlas, I've had 7 kill matches and I don't think I'm that good at it yet.  When double heat sinks go in I think jenners are going to be complained about a lot more.

[Ironwood]

And they're already insane in the hands of good pilots.

INSANE.

[Lantyssa]

My problem is the crappy hardpoint selection on Commandos and Dragons.

Though I kinda got away from playing between GW2 and BL2.

[Kageru]

Yeah, I am really surprised by the sense of entitlement that gamers grew in just a few years. This game is free to play, period. World of Tanks is free to play, period. Planetside is free to play, period. And so on. As opposed to games like LoTRO where if you don't pay you are locked out from features and content and can't even really play with friends who pay.

A free to play game still needs a large active population to generate revenue since your average revenue per user is going to be lower than a sub based game. And you need casuals and average players having enough fun they are there to keep the matches ticking over. A punitive new user / casual gamer experience is bad for the longevity of the title.

[UnSub]

As opposed to games like LoTRO where if you don't pay you are locked out from features and content and can't even really play with friends who pay.

Complaining that a company, in order to try and make money, dares to slow down your progress (while still giving you access to all content and every single feature) is Spoiled Kid attitude at best.

Haven't you just fallen into that same mindset within a sentence though? You're saying, "I like the F2P model of PS2 and MWO, but not LOTRO". Other people are out there saying, "I don't like the F2P model of MWO, but I do like LOTRO's model" or some other F2P / hybrid variant. People do feel (and the amount of justification for that feeling is subjective) that certain F2P models are too unfair, or too costly.

Dev studios come up with their F2P model and then it is up to the market to accept it or not. Complaints about where the line is drawn are bound to come up.

It also seems that MWO is literally a paid beta, which is not something I've ever seen as a positive thing. If this was a game that didn't have Mechwarrior in the title, I'm sure there would be a lot more resistance to it going down this path.

[Ghambit]

Well you can try it or not, up to you.  I can get 4-5 kills in a jenner, though I've tended towards 3 tons of armour I think it is, 19 HS 2 mpl, 2 ml, not firing the two ml most of the time due to heat.  In a K2 or Atlas, I've had 7 kill matches and I don't think I'm that good at it yet.  When double heat sinks go in I think jenners are going to be complained about a lot more.

Interesting you're on the pulse laser bandwagon as I am.  People have said "stay with 6 regular smalls" but I point to two simple things:
1) 10% more dmg per
2) shorter recharge times (so greater harrassment)
3) more precise shots compared to regular lasers that "spray"

Sure you give up .5 ton per, but if you dump armor or JJs it's well worth it if you change your strat. to suit.  I havent tried it with mpl though.  It's typically 2 sl and 4 or 2 spl.  I go full armor and enough HS to spam.  The mpl/ml strat is definitely more of a stick and move type strat though, or at least to pick off stragglers.  My builds are more for close support for heavies; tackling and sustained precision fire.

Anyways, I'm typically always topping the leaderboard especially in PUGs (in a light mech with experienced heavy pilots - so I expect a nerfbat).  But really I equate it more to tactical choices ingame rather than simple loadouts.  Your playstyle has to match your gear.  What's your strat with the MPLs and no armor??  Stealth and pounce?  I assume you've got some JJs with that.

[Arthur_Parker]

What's your strat with the MPLs and no armor??  Stealth and pounce?  I assume you've got some JJs with that.

Just constant movement, I find the longer range of medium/medium pulse allows you to deal damage while looking for well placed backshots, the extra damage really shows against other lights.  I like JJs on a catapult but not on a low armour jenner, the legs just can't take it with my bad driving plus it's half a HS to fit them.

Edit to add, I'm not saying I'm a good jenner pilot btw, longer range means I generally don't get tripped by the enemy anymore, I'm far more likely to get tripped by a team mate.  It also makes me a harder target to hit, if I'm getting close behind I find it's worth missing some shots to try and ensure your aimed shots are hitting the same spot.  I've seen some great small laser guys but I'm not one of them.

6 smalls is 18 damage at <90m for 12 heat, 0.75s
2 mpl is 12 damage at <180m for 10 heat, 0.75s, with additional 2 x ml, alpha strike of total 22 damage (18 heat) in 1 second which just seems to suit me better.

[Falconeer]

As opposed to games like LoTRO where if you don't pay you are locked out from features and content and can't even really play with friends who pay.

Complaining that a company, in order to try and make money, dares to slow down your progress (while still giving you access to all content and every single feature) is Spoiled Kid attitude at best.

Haven't you just fallen into that same mindset within a sentence though? You're saying, "I like the F2P model of PS2 and MWO, but not LOTRO". Other people are out there saying, "I don't like the F2P model of MWO, but I do like LOTRO's model" or some other F2P / hybrid variant. People do feel (and the amount of justification for that feeling is subjective) that certain F2P models are too unfair, or too costly.

I think the difference is that in the LoTRO model (EQ2, Age of Conan) if you don't pay you are prevented access to content and big huge parts of the game. That's crippling cause you can't even play with your friends in some cases. So it feels more like a demo to me. And on top of those limitations, and due to them, your progress IS slowed down.
In MWO, Planetside and WoT you are simply slowed down. Nothing is kept away from you. So that feels free for me since paying would only buy me accelerated progression, not content.

[Amaron]

The problem with Gauss is definitely the heat.  By increasing fire rate they make heat far more important.  Even low heat guns like AC/2 actually use a lot of heat due to insane fire rate.  The Gauss gets a free ride on that train though.   In some respects double heat sinks will fix this.  Until a 3 ballistic assault comes out anyways.

[Arthur_Parker]

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[Shannow]

The problem with Gauss is definitely the heat.  By increasing fire rate they make heat far more important.  Even low heat guns like AC/2 actually use a lot of heat due to insane fire rate.  The Gauss gets a free ride on that train though.   In some respects double heat sinks will fix this.  Until a 3 ballistic assault comes out anyways.

Have they made GR's easy to crit and/or explode like they are in the boardgame rules?

[Ironwood]

Not easy, no.

[Lantyssa]

I prefer the Medium Pulses, too.  I'm always in a fast 'mech though, so the short fire time is vitally important.

[Mrbloodworth]

You know, they are using the same GUI middleware as many other houses. But, why is that GUI not attached to the cockpit?

[Arthur_Parker]

You can change the view in one of the config files, never done it myself.

[Amaron]

You know, they are using the same GUI middleware as many other houses. But, why is that GUI not attached to the cockpit?

Because it's your helmet HUD.  There are actual functional parts of the cockpit UI too.  If you swing your head around one of the screens shows your damaged heatsinks for instance.

[Ghambit]

You've gotta enable mouselook or some such hat-switch binding.  This gives the advantage of not having to torso-twist to see a target as well.  I've not set my rig up for this yet as I'm afraid to disrupt my mouse technique, but the game should indeed play better on a programmable joystick.

If you're slick you'll macro your weapon groupings as well.  Ideally cycling through each weapon separately rather than the usual alpha strikes.

[Ingmar]

Nothing is kept away from you.

Gold ammo? Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of how WoT works but I thought that the best ammo was RMT-only, no option to get it for F2P. Looks like better consumables as well?

[Amaron]

Gold ammo? Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of how WoT works but I thought that the best ammo was RMT-only, no option to get it for F2P. Looks like better consumables as well?

Yep and gold ammo isn't just "better" it's disgustingly better.  It's only saving grace is it's so disgustingly expensive that you don't see it in normal matches.  No gold ammo and far better matchmaking are MWO's huge advantages right now.

[apocrypha]

Gold ammo isn't content. The discussion about F2P models was about locking you out of content.

[eldaec]

Not sure the discussion was about anything except people wailing at cross purposes.

Neither wot nor mwo are free to play assuming you want to get anywhere near the full experience.

Both have a broadly reasonable rmt model. Mwo's is based more around discrete mech purchases than the consumables wot includes.

[Amaron]

Gold ammo isn't content.

Falc was clearly saying "the only penalty for not paying is slower progress".  That includes a lot more than just restricted content.  Besides you can make a pretty fair case that not buying gold ammo restricts you from parts of WoT.   MWO thankfully doesn't have this problem.

[Merusk]

You can get gold via F2P methods, RMT isn't the only way.  It comes from Clan Matches in some method I don't know because I don't do clan stuff.  I understand there's some sort of land holding method behind it.   MWO is planning on having the same thing for the C-Bills you use to buy mechs.

So Falc was correct; the only penalty for not paying in WOT is slower progress.  In MWO you're locked-out of things without paying.

[Amaron]

In MWO you're locked-out of things without paying.

What are you locked out of?  C-Bills are WoT silver.

[Falconeer]

Merusk, aren't you trying a bit too hard? Not only you seem misinformed, but some of the things you wrote are speculations about things that they haven't revealed yet (Community warfare, clan matches and land holding). Do you know inside stuff we don't know?

I am sure there's a significant chance they will try to milk more money out of players that will care about Community Warfare. For example, in "free" Global Agenda you couldn't participate at all in territorial control stuff unless you were a subscriber, but did they say anything like this abiout MWO yet? And is this what people was complaining about? Cause I remember we started talking about money in relation to the supposed grind, not about the fact that PGI is (not) a charity institution.

[Arthur_Parker]

As far as I'm aware you need to pay mc (which you can't earn in game) for extra mech bays, but you get 4 free ones, so you could just earn cbills by playing buy mechs, then sell a mech when you want a new one.  But I imagine bays will be a popular item to buy as that's a pain in the arse, other than that I expect mech customisation to be largely mc based.  I'd be surprised if mc played a large part in community warfare as that should ultimately be a major positive point for the game and I suspect would really put some people off. me included.

Speaking of which anyone you gets the US version of pc gamer, if you aren't using the code for mwo, send it my way as I can't even buy the digital version from the UK.

[Tmon]

If you punch out of a match on death do you still get any rewards you might have earned when the match completes or do you have to stick around till the bitter end?  I fired this up the other day to see if I was any better at internet robots and discovered I was not.  I escaped out the match then quit the game since it was time to take care of supper.  When I fired up the game later I saw I was zero balance for both xp and credits.  Hopefully it's just a bug since I can't see anything less noob friendly than dieing in your noob mech and getting no reward at all.

[eldaec]

Unless they have changed something recently, your account gets credit when the game ends whether you hang around or not.

[Arthur_Parker]

Yeah, not sure about exiting the game that might be a bug, but it's ok to exit the match, once the match ends the rewards should be there.

[Pennilenko]

You do not get any credit if you exit before the match start countdown finishes as far as i can tell. But anytime after that and you get the win or loss credit depending on side, and also credit for anything you might have done before you exited.

[Ssath]

Speaking of which anyone you gets the US version of pc gamer, if you aren't using the code for mwo, send it my way as I can't even buy the digital version from the UK.

Check your PM's.

[Arthur_Parker]

Got it thanks a lot.

[Kitsune]

All of the techs they listed are accessible (albeit rare) in the IS by 48, so they aren't breaking the timeline.  And as sooooo many mech builds require some or all of those technologies, it's about time they made an appearance.  As long as the cbill price is appropriately astonishing for them, I don't really have a problem with them, either.  Let some guy roll on out in a 15 million cbill Atlas; it'll just mean a windfall for the other players in salvage rewards when he gets gunned down and a huge repair bill for him.  2750 technology can offer huge benefits to a mech, but there are downsides and price to consider.  Clan tech is where things start to get dicey, so I'm interested in seeing how they decide to handle it.  If it's crazy expensive and can be fit on IS mechs (within reason; the neckbeards will burn down their building if they let you put clan endo steel chassis in an IS mech or something similarly impossible), I think it'll work out okay.

It's just a shame that they aren't bringing in melee combat.  Smashing into someone with a 90-ton mech before lopping their arms off with a hatchet is an experience that I'd dearly love in this game.

[Amaron]

Is DHS going in with the next patch?  I tried playing again and it's just silly with the current weapon balance.