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Hoax
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If neither of these assholes makes an actual game that is actually fun to play the I told you so is going to be ash in my mouth despite what a bunch of retards all the backer/founder/$1k+ investors are and how enjoyable such an I told you so should be.
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A nation consists of its laws. A nation does not consist of its situation at a given time. If an individual's morals are situational, then that individual is without morals. If a nation's laws are situational, that nation has no laws, and soon isn't a nation. -William Gibson
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Malakili
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Chris Roberts took the time to subtly belittle Elite: Dangerous in his most recent interview. Classy. I think that's why so many people are excited for and have backed Star Citizen, because it is the ambition of the vision, right? You know, Elite Dangerous looks great, right, and they're out there, but they're not even close to the level that we are, partly because we've put this vision out there, and everyone says "That's f****** crazy, but you know, I would love to see it happen." And I think people are signing up for that.
. Well, I think he's right. We have somehow ended up in a gaming market where people are willing top lay down serious cash for something they'd "love to see happen." Of course, I'll take a good concept that actually happened over a great concept I'd love to see happen any day...
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Falconeer
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One thing that is worth noting though, is that there isn't much more planned and announced for Star Citizen that isn't planned and announced for Elite: Dangerous. Star Citizen has better looking ships, which look incredible when they fall apart. But what exactly is more ambitious about it?
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Hoax
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Really? Prior to your post about Elite I thought all the walking in your ship, walking on planets, boarding ships bullshit that doesn't sound like it will ever work I thought everything beyond spaceships going pewpew was Star Citizen only.
My impression was Elite was a game that would actually get finished because it is actually a game not a cult and it was more like modern Freespace, without all the frills bells and whistles. Just little ships blowing eachother up and maybe big ships and basically nothing not directly related to blowing shit up.
Star Citizen was we're going to make Eve plus anything Eve is missing plus walking around and opening up shipping containers plus everything from SWG social and then some plus you lead boarding parties in epic battles through the hallways of enemy ships or something so a full fps combat system as well and I guess full boarding party and defense AI so you can lead squads of AI's to fight squads of AI's to do... whatever you do at the end of a boarding mission, kill the captain and take the ship? A ransom system?
That sounded like a lot of features in SC that weren't in Elite.
Basically Elite was Freespace 20 and Star Citizen was what we imagined when MMO's were coming out in the 90's and we believed in virtual worlds that would be so all encompassing that you would only play that game for the next decade because it would have EVERYTHING.
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A nation consists of its laws. A nation does not consist of its situation at a given time. If an individual's morals are situational, then that individual is without morals. If a nation's laws are situational, that nation has no laws, and soon isn't a nation. -William Gibson
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apocrypha
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So me and a friend made a video, and might be turning it into a regular thing: The Witchspace Diaries, Episode 1. It's just a bit of fun for now, there's some technical issues to work out, and it contains British accents. Consider yourselves warned!
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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Falconeer
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Really? Prior to your post about Elite I thought all the walking in your ship, walking on planets, boarding ships bullshit that doesn't sound like it will ever work I thought everything beyond spaceships going pewpew was Star Citizen only.
My impression was Elite was a game that would actually get finished because it is actually a game not a cult and it was more like modern Freespace, without all the frills bells and whistles. Just little ships blowing eachother up and maybe big ships and basically nothing not directly related to blowing shit up.
Star Citizen was we're going to make Eve plus anything Eve is missing plus walking around and opening up shipping containers plus everything from SWG social and then some plus you lead boarding parties in epic battles through the hallways of enemy ships or something so a full fps combat system as well and I guess full boarding party and defense AI so you can lead squads of AI's to fight squads of AI's to do... whatever you do at the end of a boarding mission, kill the captain and take the ship? A ransom system?
That sounded like a lot of features in SC that weren't in Elite.
Basically Elite was Freespace 20 and Star Citizen was what we imagined when MMO's were coming out in the 90's and we believed in virtual worlds that would be so all encompassing that you would only play that game for the next decade because it would have EVERYTHING.
Yes, at first it sounded like that to everyone including me. But as the plans for Elite has been made clear it seems there isn't much that will be in Star Citizen that won't be in Elite too. The only things I can think of are the cinematics, assuming they will be in Star Citizen too and not just in Squadron 42. This is what I've been trying to tell MrBloodworth for a while. There's a lot of misinformation about Elite Dangerous. The ambition of the project is insane and in many ways even crazier than Star Citizen's, and that's why I've expressed my concerns many times. But again, all I want to point out is not that Elite Dangerous will end up being the better game, or a feature-complete one, just that the whole "Star Citizen is much more ambitious than Elite Dangerous" seems to be based on hype or just misconceptions about the planned Elite Dangerous feature list which lots of people conveniently keep ignoring. Anyway, walking around your ship, boarding other ships, landing on planets and even exploring planets surfaces is all supposed to be in Elite Dangerous too. Not by the end of this year's planned launch, sure, but how is that a problem when the other game that announced these features is not even a game yet?
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apocrypha
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The thing that makes me feel more confident in E:D is that so much of the "extra stuff" has always been slated for expansions rather than initial release and that they are contingent on the success of that initial release.
As far as I'm aware the E:D release won't have walking in stations, planetary landings, boarding ships, giant executive control ships, etc. Not that the initial release isn't still ambitious, just more realistic than if all of that was planned at once.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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Falconeer
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Maybe it is me but I don't see any difference in the ambition of game that is almost ready and put some of the biggest features up for expansions, and the ambition of a game that is supposed to come out with those features at launch, but it'll probably launch after the other game's expansions. They are planning and announced the same features, and they are both far far away from delivering them. How is Star Citizen, to use Robert's word, "on a completely different level"?
I wonder if he's deluded or he's just feeding his cultists hoping they will spread his verb and take the wind out of Braben's sail.
Anyway, awesome video Apocrypha, please keep doing it.
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Lantyssa
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It's just a bit of fun for now, there's some technical issues to work out, and it contains British accents. Consider yourselves warned! British accents are usually a plus to me. Except I tend to ignore what's being said and just enjoy the sound. Too much BBC programming as a kid I think.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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apocrypha
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I wonder if he's deluded or he's just feeding his cultists hoping they will spread his verb and take the wind out of Braben's sail.
I think that is the case. I know it's inevitable but I'd happily not see open competition or any nastiness between the two games. I think they both have their niche and I think the PC space sim genre is so bereft of good options that there's room for both. Anyway, awesome video Apocrypha, please keep doing it.
Thank you :) We will, we had a lot of fun! British accents are usually a plus to me. Except I tend to ignore what's being said and just enjoy the sound. Too much BBC programming as a kid I think.
Ah, that's what I call the David Attenborough Effect. I fell asleep on the sofa as a kid listening to him narrating nature programs that I now just associate his voice with deep, peaceful slumber. Unfortunately neither Mike nor myself have an accent anything like his.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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DraconianOne
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So me and a friend made a video, and might be turning it into a regular thing: The Witchspace Diaries, Episode 1. It's just a bit of fun for now, there's some technical issues to work out, and it contains British accents. Consider yourselves warned! Excellent work! Like this a lot. EDIT: Any chance of a link to your dreadnought video as mentioned in the video?
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« Last Edit: July 20, 2014, 03:16:06 PM by DraconianOne »
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apocrypha
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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DraconianOne
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Excellent! The only downside of that video is it may have just pushed me over the line to pull the trigger on a beta purchase. I still don't know whether to stump up for the life time expansions or not though. I'm thinking probably not.
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apocrypha
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Heheh sorry! For me it was a question of wanting to support it, and I'd already decided I was going to get the lifetime expansion pass so an extra £15 for premium beta access was easy to justify to myself. Plus I'd just been paid a large invoice for photographing lots of handbags so I went crazy and got a HOTAS & TrackIR too. Hopefully future vids will have webcam footage from both Mike & myself, less wobbling about due to the TrackIRs and, if we can work out how to do it, game feeds from both of us, interspersed if not concurrent. I need a better mic too, and/or a pop-guard!
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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I clearly need green.
Language barrier. Alternately, some people are too serious. Never change.
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DraconianOne
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Heheh sorry! For me it was a question of wanting to support it, and I'd already decided I was going to get the lifetime expansion pass so an extra £15 for premium beta access was easy to justify to myself. Plus I'd just been paid a large invoice for photographing lots of handbags so I went crazy and got a HOTAS & TrackIR too. I caved - I'm in. Didn't go for life time expansions though - still don't feel comfortable on that gamble. And as much as I'd like a HOTAS, I'll be sticking with my old Evo for now. Or maybe classic 1984 keyboard configuration! Bloody hell I'm out of practice with flying Elite style though. And that Recon Wing mission took a bit of blind luck on my part!
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apocrypha
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Nice one :) One week today the next beta phase starts and there'll be some social tools hopefully. If anyone is up for it I'd love to get a few of us together for shits'n'giggles, test out the grouping mechanics etc, maybe record it at the same time.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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Falconeer
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I'd be willing to try something like that, of course. Can't commit to next week right now, but I'll try to keep it open. Group testing is nice and there will be a lot of new stuff with the patch, including ship-to-ship voice communications.
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apocrypha
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Witchspace Diaries Episode 2 is online now: http://youtu.be/sfmxchF4Oz4This'll be the last one with me using a terrible microphone, I'll sound much better in the next one, honest.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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DraconianOne
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Good work.
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DraconianOne
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apocrypha
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OMG that's incredible!
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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DraconianOne
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Almost as nifty as your flyby past Mike's Space Winnebago!
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apocrypha
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Lol :) I'm going to try and convince him to arm that up and take it into battle for the next show. (Once we sort out the bloody audio issues that is.... )
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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Falconeer
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That video is fucking incredible.
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Mortriden
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Lol :) I'm going to try and convince him to arm that up and take it into battle for the next show. (Once we sort out the bloody audio issues that is.... ) Just to throw my hat in as well, you two guys are making me want to buy in early. Nothing else has made me want to do that. It's great listening to you two guys. Keep it up.
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apocrypha
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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DraconianOne
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One does not simply supercruise to Morgor...
(I'll get my coat!)
Serious note though - that's all very pretty but what is actually showing? Is it any more than just "buy this here, take it there?"
EDIT: Yes, reading description and watching video a few more times, yes, it seems that way.
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« Last Edit: July 25, 2014, 01:03:52 PM by DraconianOne »
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apocrypha
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Yeah, it's just a "broad strokes" overview of trading. Not so useful at the moment with the small number of systems available to us, but potentially much more useful when the full galactic map opens up. Also, regarding the paint jobs for ships: On 29th July you will be able to buy any (or all) of a selection of paint jobs from the Elite: Dangerous online store. Which is a shame, but not unexpected.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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DraconianOne
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Ouch - cash shop for beta? Where did that come from?
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apocrypha
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They've been keeping an eye on Cris Roberts, clearly.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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DraconianOne
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« Last Edit: July 26, 2014, 07:48:38 AM by DraconianOne »
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apocrypha
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Ah sorry, yeah, Newsletter 33. I'm kind of indifferent to the Lakon designs - although they're interesting in that they show how the iconic letterbox space station docking bay entrance is going to limit ship designs in E:D. Also, and please let me know if my spamming these links is getting irksome, but here's a couple of Witchspace Diaries Minisodes we've recorded. You'll be overjoyed to hear that I have a new microphone now. http://youtu.be/HR1-NdOD_UU - Minisode 1, Mike demonstrates professional station exit techniques. http://youtu.be/4L6iqiz_Bq0 - Minisode 2, I test my new mic and play with flight assist.
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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palmer_eldritch
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I'm only playing the single player missions at the moment but I'm finding this really hard. Do I need to buy a joystick or am I just bad at video games?
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apocrypha
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It is hard, but I cannot imagine playing it without a joystick. I've seen some discussion on the forums from kb+m users and the general consensus is "get a stick".
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"Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism" - Rosa Luxemburg, 1915.
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