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Topic: Black Desert - Korea getting serious about sandboxes (Read 194031 times)
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Lucas
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Further proof that Italians have suspect taste in games.
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tmp
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Similar to Vindictus is also the fact that your class defines your gender and race, so archers are all elf women, warriors are human men, and so on.
It's almost 2015 and still with this shit? Especially after that insanely awesome character generator. It's not like there was some revolutionary breakthrough in 2014 that led to artists being able to churn out content dozen+ times faster than before. If anything, the extra fidelity only means things got slower.
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Threash
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They already have the content, there is no reason to gender lock classes. It is actually limiting your already made content for no reason at all.
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ezrast
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It would probably double the amount of combat animations required as most would need male/female versions, but yeah - if you're sinking whatever crazy amount of resources these people are into your art production, I don't know why that feature in particular would be the one to make your team say "no, too much effort."
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Draegan
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And finally F13 finds the one minute thing that makes the game unplayable for them and then dismisses the game as shit. Congrats guys, you're all dumber now.
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tmp
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They already have the content, there is no reason to gender lock classes. It is actually limiting your already made content for no reason at all.
Unless the existing characters of both genders use the same outfits then no, they don't -- for each outfit for say, female elf archer they'd need to make equivalent of it for male elf archer. And then ones for both male and female human and whatever other races they have, which may be more or less complicated depending how much of body differences there's between the races. Not to look too far for examples, that's pretty much why even TERA didn't make their new added class available for all races/gender combos like they did with their original content. They simply didn't have the manpower for it (anymore)
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« Last Edit: December 25, 2014, 10:11:32 AM by tmp »
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Surlyboi
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And finally F13 finds the one minute thing that makes the game unplayable for them and then dismisses the game as shit. Congrats guys, you're all dumber now.
Except no one did that.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Rendakor
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It would probably double the amount of combat animations required as most would need male/female versions, but yeah - if you're sinking whatever crazy amount of resources these people are into your art production, I don't know why that feature in particular would be the one to make your team say "no, too much effort."
double the amount of combat animations no, too much effort.
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Hawkbit
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And finally F13 finds the one minute thing that makes the game unplayable for them and then dismisses the game as shit. Congrats guys, you're all dumber now.
Except no one did that. I kinda did, and I'm okay with it. I'm not dismissing it as shit, but I'm disappointed they are going to limit the classes based on gender because it promotes sexist attitudes. Only the men can be warriors and only the women can be archers? Silly and irresponsible design. It's almost 2015 and we can do better.
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Threash
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I didn't say the game was shit, i said gender locking is a deal breaker for me.
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Surlyboi
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I'll still give it a shot because the character creator looks like the dog's danglies.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Nija
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The catch is that it is a Korean game and they are going to publish it world-wide with a Korean company. They lean too hard on that KSN-to-account method to limit exploits. It will be a bug ridden mess that is completely filled with exploits everywhere else in the world.
If you like the game you may as well learn Korean, because it will be a fucking disaster in the rest of the world.
In fact everyone talking about how well it runs with all of the attack animations and combat and stuff points directly to it being mostly client side.
I'd just write it off right now. I'd love for a single product out of Korea to prove me wrong, but the chances that this are it are slim.
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Merusk
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I'm not dismissing it as shit, but I'm disappointed they are going to limit the classes based on gender because it promotes sexist attitudes. Only the men can be warriors and only the women can be archers? Silly and irresponsible design.
It's almost 2015 and we can do better.
KOREA. Asia in general doesn't give a fuck about US Coastal concern over gender stereotypes.
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Surlyboi
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He does have a point.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Merusk
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Yeah, he does. However, I'm not going to bitch about it when it comes from a culture that still somewhat views women as property.
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Surlyboi
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I was saying you have a point, but hey.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Hawkbit
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I thought about that after posting and it's a completely valid point.
Look at that, a Christmas miracle.
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Draegan
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And finally F13 finds the one minute thing that makes the game unplayable for them and then dismisses the game as shit. Congrats guys, you're all dumber now.
Except no one did that. I kinda did, and I'm okay with it. I'm not dismissing it as shit, but I'm disappointed they are going to limit the classes based on gender because it promotes sexist attitudes. Only the men can be warriors and only the women can be archers? Silly and irresponsible design. It's almost 2015 and we can do better. LOL I'll still give it a shot because the character creator looks like the dog's danglies.
It's really good.
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palmer_eldritch
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I have been playing with this. However, I'm finding it hard to understand what's going on while the game is in Korean (in contrast to Archeage, which I also played on Korean servers and found pretty simple in the early stages). So I will probably wait until the Russian beta comes out - when there is likely to be an unnoficial English language patch - before I give it a serious go. Character creation is a blast though. You can drag different bits of the face around, set how frizzly you want the facial hair to be, set whether the character should look sweaty(!), decide whether different bits of the face should look aged or not and loads more. Here is a barbarian type I made: Some footage of the character editor: http://youtu.be/9rzjzNBCGzY
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« Last Edit: December 27, 2014, 06:09:08 PM by palmer_eldritch »
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Ginaz
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I have been playing with this. However, I'm finding it hard to understand what's going on while the game is in Korean (in contrast to Archeage, which I also played on Korean servers and found pretty simple in the early stages). So I will probably wait until the Russian beta comes out - when there is likely to be an unnoficial English language patch - before I give it a serious go. Character creation is a blast though. You can drag different bits of the face around, set how frizzly you want the facial hair to be, set whether the character should look sweaty(!), decide whether different bits of the face should look aged or not and loads more. Here is a barbarian type I made: Some footage of the character editor: http://youtu.be/9rzjzNBCGzYThat looks like Ron Perlman in that show he was in with Linda Hamilton, Beauty and the Beast.
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Surlyboi
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Across between Perlman and David Boreanaz.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Falconeer
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The catch is that it is a Korean game and they are going to publish it world-wide with a Korean company. They lean too hard on that KSN-to-account method to limit exploits. It will be a bug ridden mess that is completely filled with exploits everywhere else in the world.
If you like the game you may as well learn Korean, because it will be a fucking disaster in the rest of the world.
In fact everyone talking about how well it runs with all of the attack animations and combat and stuff points directly to it being mostly client side.
I am afraid you are, or will be, 100% right here.
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Falconeer
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Draegan
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Is that the Gandolfini class?
Edit: Phone error - read Gandolf
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« Last Edit: May 30, 2015, 02:21:54 PM by Draegan »
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Trippy
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TangentGaming, the most popular English-speaking Black Desert Twitch streamer is currently leveling his new Wizard (made yesterday). He's up to 43 50 already. Edit: streamer Edit 2: actually the game has a soft level cap of 55 not 50 as I originally listed
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« Last Edit: May 30, 2015, 03:14:42 PM by Trippy »
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Merusk
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Know what'd be awesome? If we could get a company that embraced the Asian market's understanding of spectacle and mechanics flow with the US market's ADD when it comes to time to dedicate to things.
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Falconeer
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Falconeer
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Ok, this is not Black Desert, so I am officially Off Topic, but I don't want to open a new thread just for Bless, and since it looks like it's going to be the direct competitor to Black Desert in the Korean sandbox business it's not too weird to put this quite stunning video here. As I said, "Bless" is the name of the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QfeYTE_ZdI
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Draegan
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Is this game ever coming out? Or is it out in Korea?
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Falconeer
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Black Desert is in (open?) beta in Korea, and yes it is coming out in NA and EU, the Korean company (Daum, it's huge) is self publishing it in the West and they just opened a studio in Germany just for that. Interview with Daum Games Europe
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Ok, this is not Black Desert, so I am officially Off Topic, but I don't want to open a new thread just for Bless, and since it looks like it's going to be the direct competitor to Black Desert in the Korean sandbox business it's not too weird to put this quite stunning video here. As I said, "Bless" is the name of the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QfeYTE_ZdIBless online is a 2-faction PvE-themepark, typical grind quests and holy trinity dungeon gameplay, with some instanced PvP-content. Its definitely going to be a competitor in the mmorpg market but there are very few similarities between the games.
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Hoax
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I think these games may be sandboxing the wrong stuff. Or I've just grown up past the Sandbox everything! Make it like a real virtual world we can live in phase? I tried to check a little of this out and I saw some kind of insane horse breeding system that involved <some system> that results in your mount actually being fast or not. I'm curious if it involves slot machine elements, I never saw the actual horse birth screen or however it works. Then stabling them different places all so you could have the sandbox joy of long realistic travel times between places in the world. It all looked like a crazy travel time sink just so you could have horse breeding as part of the game. Fuck horse breeding? Seriously sandbox features for the sake of themselves aren't always good. The thing is for a game to do stuff like that it basically needs to be Eve, where players can do crazy shit everywhere otherwise you are just making my play experience more tedious so that people with more time get more epeen and can play the game how they want to faster and more often than me. That's also one of the only things I figured out about the game because its crazy in korean and of the about 1hr of streaming I watched basically nothing happened. This is not a dig on BD because all mmo's are fucking awful and boring to watch on twitch in my experience. *** I will say you guys getting your panties in a bind over gender locked classes are cute. And this is the only issue that actually matters: The catch is that it is a Korean game and they are going to publish it world-wide with a Korean company. They lean too hard on that KSN-to-account method to limit exploits. It will be a bug ridden mess that is completely filled with exploits everywhere else in the world.
If you like the game you may as well learn Korean, because it will be a fucking disaster in the rest of the world.
In fact everyone talking about how well it runs with all of the attack animations and combat and stuff points directly to it being mostly client side.
I'd just write it off right now. I'd love for a single product out of Korea to prove me wrong, but the chances that this are it are slim.
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« Last Edit: September 23, 2015, 10:28:38 AM by Hoax »
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tmp
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I tried to check a little of this out and I saw some kind of insane horse breeding system that involved <some system> that results in your mount actually being fast or not. I'm curious if it involves slot machine elements, I never saw the actual horse birth screen or however it works.
It's a Korean MMO. There's no "if".
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Furiously
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Are we going to need to pre-stage an intervention for Lant for the tamer class is my only question...
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Lantyssa
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Depends how Korean the rest of the game is. If Dragon's Prophecy can't hold me, a game where you have stables upon stables of dragons you can fly on right from the start, I'm not sure this will either.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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