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Sjofn
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DH is the dumbest thing in sports. None of them should be eligible. It has been almost 40 years now...this is like complaining that the forward pass in football should be illegal. Get over it. If the position is legal, it should be represented in the HoF.
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HaemishM
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DH is the dumbest thing in sports. None of them should be eligible. It has been almost 40 years now...this is like complaining that the forward pass in football should be illegal. Get over it. If the position is legal, it should be represented in the HoF. ^ THIS. ^ Either get rid of it, or show the guys who did it for almost their entire careers some damn love. Edgar Martinez should be a first-ballot guy. That man played with two tin cans for knees through the last back of his career and still put up good numbers. AND he played over a decade for SEATTLE without complaints, asking to be traded or being a douchebag. This alone is worthy of note. You telling me Big Papi's numbers aren't worthy of HOF consideration because he didn't field badly at first base? I don't like the DH, but this disrespect to the guys who played the position by the HOF is pretty fucking retarded. I don't see you shitheads putting shortstops in the HOF that were spectacular defensive players while hitting .186 over their careers. Stop being fucking hypocrites about hitters vs. fielders. Of course, I have no problems with them freezing out juiced up assholes with necks larger than their heads. Sosa, Bonds, McGwire can all go choke on a bag of dicks as far as I'm concerned.
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ghost
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Nope. No DH in the HOF. They're worse than punters.
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HaemishM
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A great punter can make a serious impact on a game.
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Ingmar
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I don't see you shitheads putting shortstops in the HOF that were spectacular defensive players while hitting .186 over their careers.
Not that I don't agree with you about putting DHs in the HoF, but Joe Tinker and Phil Rizzuto say hi.
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HaemishM
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Two out of how many?
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01101010
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No one posting about JoePa? You people have failed me for the last time...
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ghost
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I figure that should probably go in the college football thread.
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Cyrrex
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No one posting about JoePa? You people have failed me for the last time... I can't bring myself to feel bad about it. I don't want to bring up the reasons all over again.
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ghost
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Joe Pa was a better man than most that coach. I don't really feel bad for him because he led a great, long life. He screwed up the molestation thing, but he did a lot of good in his life as well.
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Paelos
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It's about the whole picture, really.
Character is tested in the times when nobody is looking and nobody will know.
I will say this, though, his influence almost single-handedly brought instant replay into college football, which was a godsend.
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It's about the whole picture, really.
Character is tested in the times when nobody is looking and nobody will know.
I will say this, though, his influence almost single-handedly brought instant replay into college football, which was a godsend.
This may shock you, considering my bowl-centric views, but I don't like instant replay.
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Paelos
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I know why. You love controversy. I like resolution, sir. Clarity!
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No. Not at all. I just have rarely seen a fucked up call that gets reversed where it would make a big difference in the game. This is particularly so in college football. I think they seem to do a better job of it in the pros, for some reason. Maybe it's because they're pros.
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Paelos
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What replay has shown me in college football is that the refs fuck up all the time. Now, we can at least track them.
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No. Not at all. I just have rarely seen a fucked up call that gets reversed where it would make a big difference in the game. This is particularly so in college football. I think they seem to do a better job of it in the pros, for some reason. Maybe it's because they're pros. Ironically the NFL refs are part-timers.
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ghost
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I was making the point that they do the replay process better in the NFL, not that they are necessarily better refs.
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Paelos
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They both have upsides. The NFL system falls down on the fact that you only get 3 challenges even if you're right on all of them. They've expanded it to all scoring plays now, so that sorta evens it out some from the previous system, with the remainder done in the booth inside 2 minutes. The problem with the booth is that sometimes the coach really wants to challenge, but the booth doesn't buzz down in time, and everyone rushes inside the drill.
The college system falls down on the fact you review everything. I mean every damn turnover gets reviewed. The games are already so long that they take 3:30 minimum just to finish with all the TV timeouts, and you're extending it longer with the reviews. Then, the by-product is that the refs are taught to let the play go on a possible fumble because blowing it dead would kill the review. However, the call on the field reigns in a close call. So, by nature the refs are taught to give more questionable fumbles or turnovers since the review is there and killing the play is bad. Which leads to more reviews. And more time.
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And that is why I think it would be better just to let the game flow. I think that the refs also depend a bit on the replay at this point, making the "safe" call instead of trying to make the right call. For instance, they will call someone in bounds, knowing that there will have to be incontrovertible evidence to overturn that call, thus taking all risk out of the play for themselves. I don't like that. If they are going to depend upon the replay that much they should just get rid of all on field referees and do everything via video review. It will get quicker as they do it more and utilize the technology in a more efficient manner.
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Paelos
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I think there's a better middle ground than that.
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ghost
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Maybe, but I have seen 2-5 minute disruptions of play for replay calls, when all they did was uphold the original call. I'm not sure how you get away from that when the refs are using replay as a crutch.
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Jerry Sandusky: I’ll Never Forget All The Things Joe Paterno Did For MeSTATE COLLEGE, PA—As thousands of mourners gathered at Penn State's campus spiritual center Wednesday afternoon to say their farewells to Joe Paterno, former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky took the opportunity to express his "deep, everlasting gratitude" for everything his late mentor had done for him.
"When I think of how much of my life I owe to Joe Paterno, I don't even know where to begin," said Sandusky, who confessed to feeling "overcome" while attending the former football coach's funeral. "I think it's safe to say I wouldn't have been able to lead the life I've led, wouldn't have grown into the man I've become, if it hadn't been for his leadership. I can't even begin to imagine what would have become of me if not for Joe Paterno."
"Truly, he gave me a place where I could reach my full potential—not just as a coach, but as a man," continued Sandusky, his voice cracking. "So many of my accomplishments would not have been possible without him and the unique atmosphere he created at Penn State."
Paterno and Sandusky enjoyed a relationship stretching back almost 50 years, with each helping the other to pursue his passion. Sandusky said that while it was true the two men harbored different dreams, aspirations, and desires, Paterno was careful never to stand in his way. In fact, he affirmed, Paterno's wholehearted attention to the overall success and reputation of Penn State football allowed Sandusky to focus on building his own legacy at Happy Valley, where he was always able to go after what he wanted most.
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Cyrrex
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The single act of inaction, of overlooking a heinous crime done right under his nose, wipes out all the positives of JoePa as far as I am concerned. How many kids got raped that could have been prevented?
Bah, I don't want to go there again.
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Paelos
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The inaction means more to me because most of his "good deeds" revolve around giving money or support to the University. So what? You supported higher learning. Good for you. That's about 11th on my charitable giving things I can really give a shit about. Giving to rich institutions so they can create more rich people in Pennsylvania, whoopdedoo.
Meanwhile, dozens of kids had their lives irreparably shattered because he cared about a football reputation instead of protecting the innocent victim. And the "I'm old, I didn't understand" thing doesn't fly with me. My grandfather is 95 and understood exactly what this was when it came up. That defense has been tried by aging Mafia dons in the past and it didn't fly then either.
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01101010
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Tough crowd here. I can't agree, but meh. Not worth the discussion.
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Yeah, I don't agree either. Everyone makes mistakes. I bet if Paterno could have done it over again he would have handled the situation differently. I don't think he was being self serving in his treatment of Sandusky and I guarantee that he thought he was doing the right thing at the time. That incident doesn't take away from his lifetime of achievements.
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WayAbvPar
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It absolutely does. If his inaction let even one kid get fondled or raped or whatever, it absolutely does. Football is a game...Sandusky was ruining lives and Paterno could have done more to stop it.
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Paelos
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I don't think he was being self serving in his treatment of Sandusky and I guarantee that he thought he was doing the right thing at the time.
I guarantee that his version of the right thing was: "I absolutely cannot let something like this damage the institution I love. We have to get rid of this guy." Not: "I absolutely cannot allow children to continue to be molested. I need to report this to the police." It's the same moral failing the Catholics ran into. They believed that it would cause too much damage to the good that the institution was doing. I don't think he was trying to be self-serving at all. I think his priorities were completely fucked up.
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01101010
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I don't think he was being self serving in his treatment of Sandusky and I guarantee that he thought he was doing the right thing at the time.
I guarantee that his version of the right thing was: "I absolutely cannot let something like this damage the institution I love. We have to get rid of this guy." Not: "I absolutely cannot allow children to continue to be molested. I need to report this to the police." It's the same moral failing the Catholics ran into. They believed that it would cause too much damage to the good that the institution was doing. I don't think he was trying to be self-serving at all. I think his priorities were completely fucked up. That is a huge assumption/speculation. But I cannot get into this pit of despair or risk the life sucked right outta me.
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Paelos
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The actions speak pretty loud that a guy in line for a head coaching position was suddenly retiring at 55, after working under a coach that continued coaching well into his 80s. Hell, the average age of a head football coach is aged 51 in the NCAA.
They all knew in 1999, three years before the alleged McQueary conversations. When they were told again, they had to go through the motions to keep the story quite. And it worked well for another 8 years.
Is it an assumption? Sure. Is it huge? Hell no. The Hawaii head coach just retired and he's 66. Very few people retire from college coaching at 55. Hell you don't even get a shot at a good job anymore until you are in your late 30s usually.
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Duke just put a dagger in UNC. Wow. You don't see many better college basketball games outside the Madness!
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Paelos
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Yall must really hate college basketball if you can't even get fired up about a couple of these games on during Rivalry week.
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