SWTOR

[Crumbs]

Why isn't there a Buckaroo Banzai MMO?   

I would SO fucking play that.

Yo Bloodworth!  I think we have your new project 

[Nebu]

While we're at it, I want an MMOFPS based on the old west.  So much win.

[Kirth]

While we're at it, I want an MMOFPS based on the old west.  So much win.

Better yet firefly mmo.

[Nebu]

Isn't Star Wars just a sci fi remake of a spaghetti western anyway?   

[Surlyboi]

Mashup of spaghetti western and samurai flick with a science fantasy twist.

[Sky]

Yeah, I thought it was a remake of a samurai flick that was a remake of a Leone flick. I bet Tarantino will make the mmo.

[stray]

This genre should be dead by now. What's going on?

/sinks back into hole

[Ghambit]

While we're at it, I want an MMOFPS based on the old west.  So much win.

Better yet firefly mmo.

The Dark Tower (Gunslinger) movie was cancelled btw.   
I'm still waiting for a Deadlands game though.

[Fabricated]

Man... (like actual plot spoilers coming)

[schild]

Fucking SWTOR fans and their lack of movie knowledge.

Star Wars, inspired by:
Yojimbo
Hidden Fortress
Sanjuro

Yojimbo was based on Red Harvest. Yojimbo was remade in 1964 as A Fistful of Dollars. In 1960 John Sturges made Magnificent Seven. Which was an overrated bad remake of Seven Samurai (and really had no bearing on Star Wars save minor things here and there - chief among these things merely being it was Another Movie by Kurosawa). In 1990 the Coen brothers took Yojimbo and The Glass Key, put it in a blender, and made Miller's Crossing. In 1996, Bruce Willis was in Last Man Standing, which was also Yojimbo. Or rather, Red Harvest.

Star Wars was made by a neckbeard fuck who, without works to copy from, would've made nothing. Much like your precious SWTOR. If WoW didn't exist, this wouldn't either.

tl;dr: Lucas is, somehow, a worse Quentin Tarantino.

[Fabricated]

I dunno a sci-fi movie cribbed from do-des-ka-den would be pretty awesome and funny.

[schild]

Or you could just argue that Dodesukaden is already sci-fi given the circumstances behind how it was made, what happened afterwards and the fact it was about a retarded child being an imaginary tram conductor and he somehow squeezed what, like 2+ hours out of that?

[Nebu]

Fucking SWTOR fans and their lack of movie knowledge.

I hope that you're not calling me a Star Wars fan.  I am a huge Kurosawa fan though!

Lucas must be a hack.  I never saw the connection. 

[Fabricated]

Or you could just argue that Dodesukaden is already sci-fi given the circumstances behind how it was made, what happened afterwards and the fact it was about a retarded child being an imaginary tram conductor and he somehow squeezed what, like 2+ hours out of that?

The homeless dude and the kid's story was way more interesting/sad than the retard train kid.

[schild]

Or you could just argue that Dodesukaden is already sci-fi given the circumstances behind how it was made, what happened afterwards and the fact it was about a retarded child being an imaginary tram conductor and he somehow squeezed what, like 2+ hours out of that?

The homeless dude and the kid's story was way more interesting/sad than the retard train kid.

Movie was a mess. I love Kurosawa, but the whole thing was just... yea. I didn't really find any of it interesting, sadly.

Nebu, the only original thing in Star Wars is that Jedi/Sith/Whatever were given power by Midochlorians (or whatever). He probably went through the works of Kurosawa and couldn't figure out where NINJA POWER came from or something so he wrote down "how the fuck do magnets work?" and well, the rest is history.

[Margalis]

Yeah, I thought it was a remake of a samurai flick that was a remake of a Leone flick. I bet Tarantino will make the mmo.

Was this sarcasm?

[sam, an eggplant]

What's really funny is the beta forums are stupider than most of this thread.

Also, I want a MMO based on shadowrun. Or even better, TORG.

[Paelos]

Wait, wait. They make films in other countries?

[Lantyssa]

Also, I want a MMO based on shadowrun.

Only if it's true to the table top setting.  Microsoft has a way of perverting any FASA properties they touch.

[Fabricated]

There's no way you can capture the real spirit of Shadowrun with modern hardware. You need to be able to have ridiculous highway chases where you collapse entire bridges or blow up buildings or do other such permanently damaging things. Also roleplaying your character is kinda required for it to be balanced. I mean, your negative IQ troll sammy has to be played like he needs sticky notes on his guns to know which end goes towards the bad guy or everything kinda becomes broken.

[sam, an eggplant]

Phasing, broheim, phasing.

[UnSub]

I'm still waiting for a Deadlands game though.

Here's what the Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment attempt left behind:

From 2008

From 2009

From 2009

Lucas cribbed sources for Star Wars all over. Luke coming back to find the moisture farm decimated is very close to a similar scene in "The Searchers", just swapping out Native Americans for Stormtroopers.

[Lantyssa]

I liked her boots...

[Bzalthek]

Yes, we all know Lucas is an unoriginal hack.  Hell, even besides the scenes ripped straight from other movies with minor alterations, he's blatantly admitted the overall structure of the original star wars trilogy was using Campbell's Hero's Journey as a step by step guide.  A color-by-numbers guide at that.  But I think this may be the 12th time this discussion has been had in this thread.

[Tannhauser]

At one time, Lucas was good.  American Graffitti and, yes, Star Wars: ANH.  I was 14 when I went to see it back in '77.  I've always said it was my generations Woodstock.  You don't remember the dark times of the 70's.  It was an era of disco, rollerskates, Sonny and Cher and the Bee Gees.   Star Wars blew up, broke records and became and still is a cultural touchstone.  Everyone knows Star Wars, at least a bit.

Yes, Lucas 'stole' from Kurosawa, he 'stole' from Campbell.  But there are about seven stories in literature; it's not the story it's in the telling. 

Now, I'm not going to argue with you if you say Lucas sucks now.   Phantom Menace blew goats other than Darth Maul.  The other two prequels weren't much better.  But I'd say Lucas is entombed in his echo chamber and his reaction to the criticism is to rub our noses in it.  It's all he can do, I'm not sure he can make a good movie anymore.  But back in the 70's he did.

[Mrbloodworth]

Who gives a shit?

Its starwars now!

[Crumbs]

Dream Quest of Unknown-Kadath MMO.   Rain of Cats on the Moon crits you for over 9k.  

I resubbed to WoW.      I say this for two reasons:  one, full disclosure out of fairness for all the shit I've been talking.  What can I say, I'm flawed.  The second reason is the magic word, "dynamics."

Dynamics are the reason I've resubbed to WoW time and time again.  It's bouncy, fast and fluid.  Yes, I am sick to death of raiding and can't do it anymore.  Yes, I have to turn off chat channels.  Yes, it's really hard at first to catch up on the PVP gear ladder.  However, the physics of the game is so much better than any game (I've played) that has tried to compete.  AOC, FE, Rift...all require stronger graphic capability than WoW but are clunky as hell.  Rift, for example, the world looks stunning with the settings turned up.  And yet, the movement of my toon looks like a mannequin in slow motion with stiff limbs going "clunk...................................tink" when it hits things.  

So, SWTOR.  I've watched the videos but one can't really get a feel of the dynamics from a video alone.  If the NDA allows, can anyone speak about the dynamics of SWTOR?  Even if it's as simple as "it flows" or "it's clunky."  And if this has been discussed already, my apologies.  

[Surlyboi]

The only dynamic I got out of WoW was dynamically finding the "fuck this, I quit" button.

TOR isn't my idea of MMO nirvana, but it managed to hold my interest a lot longer.

[Amaron]

Dynamics are the reason I've resubbed to WoW time and time again.  It's bouncy, fast and fluid.

I'm not sure dynamics is the right word for what you're talking about.  I can agree all the others need to take notes on the WoW client in a hundred different areas though.   All those things individually would be nitpicking but all added together the quality of things like character movement and combat response add up to a huge deal.

[UnSub]

TOR isn't my idea of MMO nirvana, but it managed to hold my interest a lot longer.

But no-one is paying for it yet. Having to put money down month after month changes the equation.

[luckton]

http://torwars.com/2011/09/19/torwars-interview-swtors-damion-schubert-reveals-new-game-details/

That being said, some of the ideas that were planned for post-launch got raised in priority, based on feedback and metrics from our testing. Nothing’s set in stone until we hit launch day, obviously, but we’re aiming to get more into launch now. Of particular note, the dressing room made it in (alt-rightclick to preview an equipment piece’s appearance on you or your companion). The ability for group leaders to mark targets with symbols his party members can see just went in. We also have a couple of minor features we’re putting in designed to make it easier for players to find and form groups – features I’m more willing to talk about once we’ve vetted them as improvements to the game in general.

[Rishathra]

 

That's like a developer making an FPS and saying, "based on player feedback in the beta, we decided to add mouselook sooner."

[luckton]

That's like a developer making an FPS and saying, "based on player feedback in the beta, we decided to add mouselook sooner."

I know, right?    Seriously, who's driving this thing?  I would think the Mythic devs they absorbed would have at least come in with 'some' of this knowledge...although DAoC didn't actually have those features either...

[Merusk]

Ahh.. there's the  we'd been expecting ever since "It's Bioware AUSTIN, you fools" was first coined.

[Paelos]

All I took from that article was:

Not ready to talk about this yet.