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Sky
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eldaec
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Will my alt, a force sensitive bisexual blue titted twi'lek cheese crafter, have to pick up combat skills to get to her partner's house?
If there's any one thing that MMOs all manage to disappoint me with, it's tying everything non-combat into combat. With the sad, sad exception of pre-revamp Horizons. Well, Horizons and UO, SWG, AtitD, EVE, Puzzle Pirates, PotBS, even EQ had fishing. |
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Yegolev
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I might have missed UO, and I guess I can toss EVE in there except for the "you can get assploded anywhere" bit. Same for UO, then, I guess, so touche. Not PotBS, though, everything was connected to combat in there unless I somehow missed it.
ATITD doesn't count since it does not have combat. Puzzle Pirates... well that's an odd case, isn't it? I played puzzles against other people; combat or not?
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Ingmar
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Puzzle Pirates is the purest PVP MMO there is.
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eldaec
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AtitD does have combat, but only on April 1st. Plus in the first telling there was a whole pvp 'test of conflict' line; admittedly you had to build your own arena out of butterbeans and breadcrumbs before you could take part. Puzzle Pirates... well that's an odd case, isn't it? I played puzzles against other people; combat or not? But you didn't have to, and it is no more combat than competitive flax pking in atitd, or market listing pvp in EVE. |
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Nebu
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ATITD doesn't count since it does not have combat. Where in PvP is the word "combat" mentioned? PvP is about player vs player conflict. Conflict comes in many forms. In Atitd you could fuck with someone on a far deeper level than you ever could in any standard pvp MMO. It's all perspective. If you don't call the ability to perma ban someone's main character from the game world as pvp, then I'm not sure what counts. |
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« Last Edit: August 04, 2009, 12:29:19 PM by Nebu »
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Ingmar
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Yego's complaint was about non-combat and combat getting tied together though, no? Not PVP in a larger sense.
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Nebu
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Yego's complaint was about non-combat and combat getting tied together though, no? Not PVP in a larger sense.
Damn, I need to learn how to read. My apologies. |
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Simond
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Exactly.
There really were explorers back then. Now all that shit is hand-fed to the ritalin-addled shitheels that are today's MMO mainstream.
Except, you know, UO Stratics. |
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Surlyboi
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Yeah, but even UO stratics missed a few things.
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schild
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Well, Horizons and UO, SWG, AtitD, EVE, Puzzle Pirates, PotBS, even EQ had fishing. Just because a meteor doesn't shoot back, doesn't mean mining wasn't combat. I mean shit, you had to spec for something to do anything. May as well have been combat. ATiTD is one of the most competitive games I've ever seen. Combat or not. Puzzle Pirates is definitely completely piled on alternative combat. PotBS was bad. |
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eldaec
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I have an alt in EVE that has only ever undocked once (to fly to Jita). That alt spends its entire life playing the market.
Manufacturing also has no combat-like activity.
And serious mining is nothing like combat, it involves managing automated moon mining equipment, and arranging logistics to support the large scale chemical engineering required to turn mined minerals into useful materials.
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Fordel
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I thought it involved pointing mining laser A at asteroid B and waiting.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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PotBS was bad. SO bad. I tried so very hard to love it, too. |
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Lucas
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First news coming from GamesCom: SWTOR will be completely localized in French and German, voiceovers included (now that's quite a money sink, considering the advertised amount of spoken dialogue). The official website is now avaiable in those languages, with localized forums too. http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20090818_001Still waiting for the public gameplay demo, of course. |
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SnakeCharmer
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People are still screaming for that gameplay video? The very same gameplay video they've already seen? I can't stand those forums for any longer than about 2 minutes at a time without getting stabby and wanting shove every one of them face first into a woodchipper machine.
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schild
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SWTOR will be completely localized in French and German, voiceovers included Dumb. |
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Fordel
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It'll be funny when they mix up which region gets which voice in a patch.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Margalis
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Given that voiceover is the main selling point of the game seems like this had to happen.
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UnSub
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I wonder if all dialogue is going to be recorded in Russian and Mandarin for when EA wants to launch in those regions? Or if SWOR is going to be localised in content for specific regions?
Seems like BioWare is going to bite off more than they can chew and all that is going to happen is that the production / release of new content is going to be slowed down.
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schild
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Seems like BioWare Austin is going to bite off more than they can chew and all that is going to happen is that the production / release of new content is going to be slowed down. You don't say. |
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Lucas
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Further proof that Italians have suspect taste in games.
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SnakeCharmer
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What's the over/under on the amount of money that will have been spent making this game? 80 mil? 100?
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schild
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What's the over/under on the amount of money that will have been spent making this game? 80 mil? 100?
Let's just go with "more." |
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« Last Edit: August 19, 2009, 12:06:15 AM by schild »
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WindupAtheist
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I like how the guy takes 3 paragraphs to say "tank/dps with a rage meter" to try and make it sound less generic. |
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SnakeCharmer
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What's the over/under on the amount of money that will have been spent making this game? 80 mil? 100?
Let's just go with "more." Holy crap. 125 million? Who does Walton have by the short and curlies to get that kind of money? FFS, it's not like he has this amazing track record of success. |
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schild
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What's the over/under on the amount of money that will have been spent making this game? 80 mil? 100?
Let's just go with "more." Holy crap. 125 million? Who does Walton have by the short and curlies to get that kind of money? FFS, it's not like he has this amazing track record of success. Riccitello is being... not smart. I'd still go with "more." |
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Montague
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Takes money to make money.
Iron Man cost $140 million to make and has made $585 million total. WoW has made $258 million in box sales alone. Throw in 6 months of sub money and Iron Man is left in the dust.
If movie studios are willing to throw down >$100 million for films why shouldn't game companies be expected to make at least the same investment for a potentially greater return? If they did we might see less shitty games.
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schild
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Takes money to make money.
Iron Man cost $140 million to make and has made $585 million total. WoW has made $258 million in box sales alone. Throw in 6 months of sub money and Iron Man is left in the dust.
If movie studios are willing to throw down >$100 million for films why shouldn't game companies be expected to make at least the same investment for a potentially greater return? If they did we might see less shitty games.
What a terrible example. Now, I'm not saying what anyone is instantly going to assume I'm saying, but it's the best example to shut this silly argument down: Would you give Uwe Boll $140M to make a movie? I'm sure you understand now. |
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Would you give Uwe Boll $140M to make a movie?
No, but if I were in the position to do it, I might have been convinced to give James Ohlen $140 million to make an MMO spin-off of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. |
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Montague
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No, but I wouldn't expect Michael Bay to make Transformers on $40 million either.
You want a non-shit MMO someone is going to have to pay for it. I'm not saying that $$$ = good MMO but that kind of money should be the baseline, not being stupid.
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schild
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Hey, I get it! That should tell you how terribly you explained it to everyone else. Use a chart. |
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Sky
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I think schild is saying they should cancel SWTOR and import the models into UO.
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