SWTOR

[caladein]

I'm just dealing with the premise that they're "the same", not agreeing that that is in fact true.

[Kageru]

Or, you can enjoy the goddamn story and turn off the min/maxer part of your brain and just play.

Which of course leads to something like final fantasy 13 where a pretty movie laid thickly over dull mechanics makes for a bad game.

The mechanics part are the game, the story is at best flavor.

[CmdrSlack]

A smuggler of raisins?

Only on Hoth.

[01101010]

Player housing?

 

[Tannhauser]

Your own starship? 

I hope down the road they make space travel more open. I wanna smuggle the hell outta some shit.  I'm one of 'those' people who want to actually fly to destinations.  I'm on a bird to Undercity as I type this.  Irony? I haz it.

[luckton]

I doubt space travel will get anymore elaborate than what it is now until one or two expansions get put out, and even then, unless they replicate, say, E&B's method of moving around in space, it'll be silly.

[Numtini]

I hope down the road they make space travel more open. I wanna smuggle the hell outta some shit.  I'm one of 'those' people who want to actually fly to destinations.  I'm on a bird to Undercity as I type this.  Irony? I haz it.

If you want to spend endless amounts of time flying in space CCP already has THE game for you.

[Sky]

E&B? Eve?

It's called Jump to Lightspeed, folks.

[CmdrSlack]

By the time I had a machine that could run JtL, SWG had already gone full twitch mode.

Was it really like the old SW flying games, but better?

[DraconianOne]

By the time I had a machine that could run JtL, SWG had already gone full twitch mode.

Was it really like the old SW flying games, but better?

No - but it wasn't bad.

The controls weren't quite as responsive from what I remember and it wasn't quite as involving but being able to customise your ship was good and I always enjoyed the loot game aspect of finding decent gear to Reverse Engineer.

[luckton]

E&B? Eve?

It's called Jump to Lightspeed, folks.

Remind me the last time BioWare made a flight sim game..

I'm not saying they won't do it, nor not possible, but I think making the space experience greater than it's being presented now is on the same schedule as player housing and the dance customization features are coming to WoW.

[Rendakor]

What is E&B?

[luckton]

What is E&B?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqcl3STgj9Q

[Rendakor]

Ahh, thanks.

[luckton]

Ahh, thanks.

Aye, had some good times with that game.  It was the casual player's EVE/Jumpgate back in the day.  Unfortunately Westwood fell into the same pitfalls that many MMO devs did back in those pre-hindsight days.  EA certainly didn't help matters, and that's why everyone screams bloody mary whenever EA says they're gonna put out a MMO (see Warhammer Online or the first few pages of this thread for samples.)

[Margalis]

Earth and Beyond was really cool in a number of ways. Unfortunately it was also really bad in a number of ways, including everything you did off your ship, the way you got missions and the missions themselves. But flying your craft around space was awesome. It really captured the feel of just being out in a ship I thought.

[Tannhauser]

I enjoyed the space part as well.  Wasn't a bad game, but I was kind of bored.  I remember when I tried to cancel, some nice Indian woman offered to put me in some uber cruiser to stay subbed.  But I was done. 

Just glad SWTOR has space combat of some kind.  I do wish for ship customization, but they can't put everything in at launch.  I hope you can at least change ship weapon loadouts.  That would be boss.

[Crumbs]

I wanna smuggle the hell outta some shit. 

So there is smuggling after all?

[Tannhauser]

I was just kidding around, although I'd say the smuggler storyline has some smuggling in it.  I hope.

[Amaron]

Yup. If you want to have the two ACs of the same class you have to play through the "same" experience.

You can play the two AC's on opposite sides and experience two totally different stories.

[Evildrider]

Yup. If you want to have the two ACs of the same class you have to play through the "same" experience.

You can play the two AC's on opposite sides and experience two totally different stories.

Or you can play one light side and the other dark side and there will still be changes.  Besides the class story quests aren't 100% of the quests anyway.  Any class you roll on one side still has alot of quests that are for everyone.

[Crumbs]

I was just kidding around, although I'd say the smuggler storyline has some smuggling in it.  I hope.

I return to my sad corner.

[01101010]

I was just kidding around, although I'd say the smuggler storyline has some smuggling in it.  I hope.

I return to my sad corner.

If there are drugs/drink in this game that have effects on your character, I'll be calling you. I so want to RP a drug addicted character now... would have been better as a droid, but meh - I can do a lot with an agent or Sith.

[Furiously]

You want to buy some deathsticks?

[luckton]

You want to buy some deathsticks?

/jedi_mind_trick

You don't want to sell me any deathsticks.

[Tannhauser]

Deathsticks.  That's just poor marketing.

[Threash]

Should be happysticks.  That could imply something completely different though.

[Surlyboi]

Or, you can enjoy the goddamn story and turn off the min/maxer part of your brain and just play.

Which of course leads to something like final fantasy 13 where a pretty movie laid thickly over dull mechanics makes for a bad game.

The mechanics part are the game, the story is at best flavor.

No, the mechanics are fine. And that's not what the bitching was about. The bitching was, "OMG, the BH and the Trooper are the same, only on opposite sides of the spectrum", to which I said, "fuck that, and play the goddamn game."

[Margalis]

Seems like that logic could apply to literally any possible complaint. The game only runs in 1024 x 768 and has only one class with two abilities.

 "Fuck that, and play the goddamn game."

The game has 8 classes, or actually 7, which is a pretty low number. That doesn't make it wretched excrement but it seems like a perfectly valid thing to point out. Seven classes is certainly on the low end.

[Ingmar]

Seems like that logic could apply to literally any possible complaint. The game only runs in 1024 x 768 and has only one class with two abilities.

 "Fuck that, and play the goddamn game."

The game has 8 classes, or actually 7, which is a pretty low number. That doesn't make it wretched excrement but it seems like a perfectly valid thing to point out. Seven classes is certainly on the low end.

How do you get 7? It is either 8 or 4, depending on your feelings about cosmetically-different-but-equivalent-analogues, or ACs-as-classes vs. ACs-as-specs.

[Murgos]

How do you get 7? It is either 8 or 4, depending on your feelings about cosmetically-different-but-equivalent-analogues, or ACs-as-classes vs. ACs-as-specs.

It's called trolling.  When you can't accept, 'Looks different and has a different story' as enough of a difference to be different (which defines any sequel game ever made) and you arbitrarily remove one class with no explanation you aren't contributing you are fishing for reactions.

I'll play too and go the other way.  Since each AC has two unique trees you can fully spec into and 1 shared tree also with a full set of skills I say that there is 8 * 2 + 4 = 20 classes.

[Sky]

Or, you can enjoy the goddamn story and turn off the min/maxer part of your brain and just play.

Some people seem hell-bent on not enjoying this game. Kinda funny, imo.

[Merusk]

You saw the same thing when WoW first released, if you recall.  That alone gives me great hopes for the game.

[eldaec]

This thread has mostly lost its joie de vivre since page 300.

 

[Margalis]

Too many sad Star Wars fanboys falling all over themselves to see who can white knight the hardest.

Someone makes the point that Trooper and BH are functionally equivalent and it spawns pages of "HOW DARE YOU!?!?!" The official forums look downright reasonable by comparison. People accept and acknowledge that the classes are mirrors and just move on.

I'm not sure why a technical point about the design of the game is somehow contentious. Sure, you can claim that looking different and having a different story makes two functionally equivalent classes distinct, but that doesn't make the two classes functionally distinct or change the fact that 4 functionally distinct classes is a low number.

Again that doesn't mean that the game is bad. But the SWTOR fans here absolutely refuse to accept any criticism or even "criticism" in the form of completely factual statements. Apparently anything other than "THIS GAME IS THE BEST EVER OMG!!!!!" is not allowed.

But you know - Star Wars fans.