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Threash
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I loved this show apart from super cartoony evil villain. I'm going to keep doing evil shit until you love me is always dumb.
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Viin
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She's obviously cray cray.
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jgsugden
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This was great, but I wish they'd stuck the landing a bit better.
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Ironwood
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I loved this show apart from super cartoony evil villain. I'm going to keep doing evil shit until you love me is always dumb.
That's the only change I had a real, real, real major issue with. It didn't work. Like, at all.
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Tale
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This was great, but I wish they'd stuck the landing a bit better.
That's been the only problem with the last three series I've watched: Godless, The Sinner, Altered Carbon.
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lamaros
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Yeah this got going in the second episode, but then went to shit from flashback episode to the end.
Oh well!
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« Last Edit: March 13, 2018, 01:52:27 PM by lamaros »
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grebo
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It is excruciating how much this sucked. The first half is perfect. The mystery is interesting. Joel Kinnaman and Chris Conner are killing it. The science is cool. The societal shifts generated by said science are cool. The violence is really well done. The abs are insanely chiseled.
Then along comes Dichen Lachman to be absolutely horrible and constantly dribble out pointless nonsense. She turns this perfect masterpiece into a confused stumbling mess. It's like a Zach Snyder roman orgy where everyone's mother in law just showed up at the same time. I kept hoping that they'd get back to the cool stuff, but they never do.
The violence is the only thing that's consistently great. They add in another character just to be violent, and he's great. Even Lachman gets that right. But the story is terrible. The end is so uninteresting. What a waste.
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justdave
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What utter shite. I forced myself through to episode six and finally gave up when
Only two good things about it were the hotel as Edgar Allen Poe instead of Jimi Hendrix; he actually fit better as the creepy, desperate, guest-less AI hotel (though they likely made the change for rights issues than anything else), and even though I'm as gay as the day is long, the gal playing Ortega is rockin' gorgeous.
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Tale
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I totally disagree with the last three posts. Oh well. I am very happy to be living in a time when The Expanse, Altered Carbon and Bladed Runner 2049 are things.
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jgsugden
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I totally disagree with the last three posts. Oh well. I am very happy to be living in a time when The Expanse, Altered Carbon and Bladed Runner 2049 are things.
You can't totally disagree with the last three posts. I think justdave knows if he is gay. You have to agree with that part.
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Tale
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I totally disagree with the last three posts. Oh well. I am very happy to be living in a time when The Expanse, Altered Carbon and Bladed Runner 2049 are things.
You can't totally disagree with the last three posts. I think justdave knows if he is gay. You have to agree with that part. I stand corrected.
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justdave
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Hah! Assholes.
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MahrinSkel
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justdave
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I've tried that, unfortunately. It always comes down to the same conversation.
"I wish you'd put a new roll of toilet paper on when the old one's empty!"
"Yes, well, I wish you had a penis."
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"They started to resist with a crust that was welded with human brain and willpower."
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justdave
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Okay, to be a little less dismissive, I should say there were a couple other good things about this. The visuals and sound are gorgeous, aryan abeulita was great, and I actually like Joel Kinnaman as Ryker. Reading the book I got him into my head as looking like Willem Dafoe, for some reason, and kept wondering why anyone would fuck this guy. Bonus points, it turns out that James Purefoy is no slouch downtown.
This made me go back and re-read the book just to see if I was mis-remembering things, though, and I think that's what killed it for me, it just doesn't feel the same to me. And, hey! I love the Netflix Expanse treatment! Watched the fuck out of that.
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"They started to resist with a crust that was welded with human brain and willpower."
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WayAbvPar
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Although I agree it sort of fell apart at the end, I enjoyed this immensely. Now someone needs to adapt everything William Gibson has written. I would KILL for a Sprawl series. Cyberpunk is great- if you build a good world, you can tell stories basically forever.
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justdave
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VERY yes. Though, I would agitate for a Virtual Light trilogy show before a Sprawl one, if only because that would be a bit dated unless handled properly.
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HaemishM
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The Virtual Light story would be a little less action-y than the Sprawl with an even less satisfying ending.
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justdave
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You didn't like the ending of the Sprawl trilogy or Virtual Light? Philistine! It's not like he Neal Stephensoned it.
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HaemishM
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I loved the ending of both actually. I just think the Sprawl trilogy had a more understandable ending.
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justdave
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Okay, yeah, I gotta give you that one. Alpha Centauri was easier to parse than Laney's weird-ass, bitter end and the whole SB30 thing.
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I overall liked the Sprawl trilogy, but Neuromancer was just such a better book than the other two. It was a perfect self contained story, and while I don't think the later two where terrible by any means, they were just far less interesting stories. Again, I enjoyed them, but not sure it would be wise to try and adapt the trilogy to screen, as opposed to just doing Neuromancer by itself.
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Hoax
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The best idea would be to take any of the shorts from Burning Chrome and just flesh that out into something. The trilogies are just too strong in book form even for this golden age of TV and are in an awkward place future wise as part of the future-tech in them is now-tech right now.
I actually think the Pattern Recognition trilogy could be pretty fantastic as the bones for a tv series. Like a smarter/more real Mr Robot. Would love to see that.
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Threash
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I am the .00000001428%
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Ironwood
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Interesting.
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Tale
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Happy to hear it. And further to the posts above, Amazon may be doing William Gibson's The Peripheral as a series.
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HaemishM
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That looks more like they are doing The Peripheral as a series rather than anything in the Pattern Recognition series.
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Tale
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Apologies, I was posting at stupid o'clock and typed the wrong thing. Corrected.
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WayAbvPar
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Looking forward to both S2 and The Peripheral. TP is a good setup for a slower narrative like a series...a movie would take too long to set things up.
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Finally caught up to this. Been so long since I read this book that I only remember flashes so didn't have any issues with changes as I didn't even notice them. Ortega is indeed hot as balls and Poe was a great alteration for sure. Third Act problems (way too much exposition, Expanse is doing that kind of thing much better, hopefully they get better at it in S2). I did love bad-ass S&M Lizzie. Wish we got actually more of that and she got to fight a boss instead of redshirts.
Can't believe all this talk of upcoming cyber without mentioning that Amazon is doing fucking Snowcrash (allegedly, been kinda quiet about it for a while).
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Ironwood
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They are ? I've always thought putting that on screen would be utter balls. Like, Ready Player One type balls.
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Teleku
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Hmm, yeah, I'm torn. Enjoyed the book, but it's going to be really hard to capture that insane/satirical world on screen. Like, Brazil is the only movie I can think of that did that sort of thing successfully.
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Tale
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Rewatching this and loving it all over again. I put captions on so I don't miss a word of the set-up and world-building. It's so well done. So much attention to detail.
Season 2 coming soon, but only has 8 episodes (10 in season 1). Maybe help them stick the landing, but I still think the first season is up there with the best things on Netflix.
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Riggswolfe
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Rewatching this and loving it all over again. I put captions on so I don't miss a word of the set-up and world-building. It's so well done. So much attention to detail.
Season 2 coming soon, but only has 8 episodes (10 in season 1). Maybe help them stick the landing, but I still think the first season is up there with the best things on Netflix.
I loved Season 1 as well. I'm a bit nervous for Season 2 but only because I haven't seen anything Anthony Mackie was in that I enjoyed him in except Marvel movies. For me, he feels sort of bland as an actor.
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HaemishM
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I'm looking forward to season 2 but it will take an adjustment getting used to Kovacs not being Joel Kinnaman. I really got to like him in the role and was kind of hoping we'd see him again. I'm really going to miss Poe.
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