Arrow

[HaemishM]

I noticed that. How could you not?

[Tannhauser]

Wait, I just now realized, why the fuck doesn't Atom shrink?

[HaemishM]

Because that's too expensive on the CGI budget? 

He's called A.T.O.M. but he's more like O.M.A.C. with a little of the original (also non-shrinking) Atom.

[Khaldun]

I would not be too surprised if one of the ramifications of his power eventually is shrinking under some circumstances. Just like I think eventually Firestorm might reconstruct atoms. I think they're gonna do it the way the comics often do it: when you need something new and different, when the plots are getting stale, get a new power.

[Raph]

"I have a 140 IQ." I actually sat up and said "seriously?"

[jgsugden]

TV writers think that is a hundred points above norm.

[Evildrider]

I thought this was a great episode.  I also love how Flash and Arrow are different enough that I don't feel fatigued or tired of the superhero stuff because of it.

[Khaldun]

Yeah, I think this did a lot to tie stuff together and make some of the disjointedness of previous episodes pay off. The thing is that Captain Officer Detective Lance is pretty much right:

[MediumHigh]

Well to be honest street heroes never do much more than put a dent on crime. Batman can fight superman evenly and defeat darkseid with randion bullets, but he can' t make gotham a safe place to walk at night. Or get rid of organized crime, or put away dangerous criminals without accidentally on purpose killing them... which of course batman doesn't do. And batman is the pinnacle  of peak human vigilante street heroes. So the theme of A for effort, but not really because these super freaks are now everywhere.

[MrHat]

I think it's pretty clear that the Arrow is heading for a significant status quo change as this season ends, no matter what happens, so we'll see.

Say what you will about the CW, but at least the shows seem to have some permanent progression.

[MediumHigh]

Except for supernatural 

[jgsugden]

Except for supernatural 

Purgatory is appropriate for that show.

[Khaldun]

Also, by the way, it's pretty damn clear as of this episode that the Atom will eventually have some kind of shrinking powers. I really like that they take their time with mythos-building.

[HaemishM]

I think the CW supers shows should be applauded because every season finale has been a status quo shakeup of some kind. As a result, the shows haven't gotten into any sort of stale formula (though Oliver's continual "not telling someone because it might hurt them" thing is becoming a bit formulaic). They've basically decided that Oliver is going to be the stand-in for Batman (dark, brooding vigilante, Ra's Al Ghul wants Oliver to take his place). I'm cool with that.

[Tannhauser]

I think the CW supers shows should be applauded because every season finale has been a status quo shakeup of some kind. As a result, the shows haven't gotten into any sort of stale formula (though Oliver's continual "not telling someone because it might hurt them" thing is becoming a bit formulaic). They've basically decided that Oliver is going to be the stand-in for Batman (dark, brooding vigilante, Ra's Al Ghul wants Oliver to take his place). I'm cool with that.

That's one of my main gripes.  "OMG Becky didn't tell me Kyle liked me cause Becky likes Kyle."  But that's CW I guess.  I also don't like how everyone knows about Oliver.  But we'll see where the writers take it.  And I am also glad they finally mentioned some 'shrinkage' to Ray's character arc.  Also, I don't know why they keep having the Hong Kong flashbacks since they only last 20 seconds or so.  I know it serves a narrative purpose to Ollie's current predicament of the week, but it's getting bad.  Shadow's twin.  Geez.

[Venkman]

Well to be honest street heroes never do much more than put a dent on crime. Batman can fight superman evenly and defeat darkseid with randion bullets, but he can' t make gotham a safe place to walk at night. Or get rid of organized crime, or put away dangerous criminals without accidentally on purpose killing them... which of course batman doesn't do. And batman is the pinnacle  of peak human vigilante street heroes. So the theme of A for effort, but not really because these super freaks are now everywhere.

Weellllll, there's Batman 'in the real world he cleaned up the streets and created a sustainable market environment where everyone felt empowered and then there's Batman 'he's the cash cow so we better keep throwing villains to fight because comic readers keep getting older and getting married and their spouses want them to ditch all those moldy comics'.

Or said another way: Batman as a story telling device can't solve root-cause problems, because then there's no story to tell.

I love Brandan Routh in this show. He brings a Flash-like fun/optimism to an otherwise emo-of-the-week cast. He'll shrink at some point. I'm comfortable with however long it takes for them to get there. I'm not looking for movie-per-three years pacing.

[Evildrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE_jH2eQl4

Pretty awesome promo for the final Arrow and Flash episodes.   .

[CmdrSlack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE_jH2eQl4

Pretty awesome promo for the final Arrow and Flash episodes.   .

 

Awesome.

[Khaldun]

Lotta fun.

[Evildrider]

Really liked this last episode.  The Atom stuff and the ending was awesome.

[Khaldun]

Yes. Though it looks like finally the Lazarus Pit is coming into play.

[Evildrider]

[MrHat]

[Khaldun]

Basically if they want Oliver to be TV-DC's Batman, this is a role that comic-DC Batman's fallen into pretty well: the loner who works with groups, the anti-team guy who trains teams, the guy whose motivation is so intense that it motives others but who also annoys others because of the intensity.

In addition, a jerk who sooner or later walks out of most of his relationships with other people because they don't do exactly as he tells them to do.

[CmdrSlack]

Well that was a great episode. I wonder how next episode will play out based on the preview. Agree re: laz pit

[Venkman]

Crap I hate being behind by a week or two. That video promo was great. CW has nailed the shows, I wish DC would just continue focusing there, especially after that leaked trailer...

[Tannhauser]

Wow, that was a good episode, even if the Arrow never showed up.  This season has been a bit weaker from the previous, or maybe it's because The Flash is so entertaining it's obscuring Arrow. But a nearly pitch perfect episode with Roy and Thea shockers and Ollie learning to lean on his friends. 

[MediumHigh]

God created women, and than he created Felicity Smoke.

[HaemishM]

And the congregation said AMEN.

[Khaldun]

Individual story beats are really off throughout this season. I sort of like what they've been trying to do overall but there is some really bad sequencing of reveals/actions/reveals/action. This episode was a case in point of that. Don't let us in on Ollie's real state of mind before we get to the final sequence! It robs it of any suspense whatsoever!

[Evildrider]

Individual story beats are really off throughout this season. I sort of like what they've been trying to do overall but there is some really bad sequencing of reveals/actions/reveals/action. This episode was a case in point of that. Don't let us in on Ollie's real state of mind before we get to the final sequence! It robs it of any suspense whatsoever!

I have still enjoyed this season but I think the whole Ras stuff has been kinda meh.  He's definitely not as fun as Deathstroke was last season.

[Khaldun]

We needed to have a sense halfway through the season of the cruel and evil Ra's who has shown up near the end. Waited too long to make him a genuine antagonist.

[Evildrider]

We needed to have a sense halfway through the season of the cruel and evil Ra's who has shown up near the end. Waited too long to make him a genuine antagonist.

They probably had to stretch it out while the DC big wigs decided on how much they could do.  Apparently they aren't using Ras/League of Assassins in the movies any time soon.   

[Khaldun]

So far the Lazarus Pit doesn't seem to have changed Thea despite all the dire warnings.

[Lakov_Sanite]

They even wimped out and made it so she was never officially dead first either.