World of Tanks

[WayAbvPar]

The A44 is pretty terrible from what I have heard. On the 122-44, you have to play it like a turretless medium. Flank for ass and side shots.

[Merusk]

Started this up again after a month since y'all are blabbering on.  Nobody's mentioned the new game mode about nationality vs nationality here so i wasn't expecting it when I saw it in the patch notes. Fun concept!

It doesn't come up nearly enough for me, even though I have only standard and it as options.  Out of 10 games I've gotten one of the national team fights.  I was on a German team that was up against Russians.  They didn't stand a chance and we eviscerated them with only 4 losses.  I'd hate to see German vs. French.

[WayAbvPar]

I haven't even seen it yet. Partially because I haven't played ALL that much since the patch, and have done a lot of mixed platoons when I did play, but not even 1 game in my solo games. Does it default to on? I never looked at the options, and have the other clownshoes game types turned off.

[Merusk]

I haven't even seen it yet. Partially because I haven't played ALL that much since the patch, and have done a lot of mixed platoons when I did play, but not even 1 game in my solo games. Does it default to on? I never looked at the options, and have the other clownshoes game types turned off.

It defaulted to on, yes. But your platoon has to be 100% same nation and it apparently has the same chance to pop as an assault game, which was always set perilously low.  As I noted, mine's about 1:10 and 10 games is a long time, even at ~8 mins a game (including queue and startup wait.)

I would imagine there also have to be enough similar same-nation platoons for MM to balance both sides, which is suppressing the number of generated games.

[Tmon]

I have yet to see a national battle but, I've been spending a fair amount of time playing Japanese tanks and it turns out Japan is exempt from national battles due to not having arty. 

[Abagadro]

After the greatness of Tuesday last night was total suck with shit teams all night.

[Abagadro]

Here is that battle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-1fXU-HlQ

[apocrypha]

That was highly entertaining, well played :)

[Nebu]

Great match Ab. 

How do you guys get the "spotted" comment to come up?  Is there a hotkey for that?  Is it a mod?

[Abagadro]

That is a mod some of our guys run tied into Sixth Sense. I don't run it so don't know its exact name.

[WayAbvPar]

After the greatness of Tuesday last night was total suck with shit teams all night.

Yeah I played maybe 6 or 7 games yesterday with a platoon of decent (far better than average) players. I think we went 1-5 or 1-6. Just fucking terrible, terrible teams. No one went up the hill on Malinovka on one, despite pleads and urges from several players. When all their heavies came down the hill at full health, I said that not taking hill is a loss almost every single time. Dipshit in an IS-3 pipes up "We can still win this!" (we were down 4-5 at the time).  I told him I would paypal him $100 if we won. by the time I finished typing that, it was 4-10 and the rout was truly on. That was my last game of the night.

TL/DR People have no fucking idea how to play this game and it drives me goddamned crazy.

[Tmon]

I was talking with a friend this morning and told him, that as much as people bitch about nerfs, national bias, the match maker and non-realistic mechanics, the only thing that has come close to making me uninstall is the playerbase.  Pretending that the other players on my team are just poorly programmed AI helps a bit.  It keeps me from trying to talk them and more importantly keeps my expectations of support or teamwork at the correct level.  My barrens chat driven finely honed ability to ignore the chat box is helpful as well.

[Nebu]

8.11 allows you to turn off the chat as well.  I've considered that on numerous occasions.

[WayAbvPar]

And the people most likely to turn it off are the subhuman chimps that most desperately need to PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT PEOPLE TELL THEM.

I swear to god, the next 43% player who calls me a noob for asking him to do something besides drool onto his keyboard might just give me a stroke.

[Pendan]

Win rate by tier in national battles: http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/02/21/national-battles-confrontation-winrate-by-nation/

Germans doing well at tier 9 and 10 but very bad at 5 and 6. Tier 8 the most balanced. T1 dominates at tier 1. All the talk about Russian bias but they only do well at 4, 5, and 6 and still USA ahead. USA ahead of Russian at every tier.

[Merusk]

How unsurprising the US is ahead in tier 5.  That's where the M4 lives.

Germany being so very low is surprising, except there's a lot of bad tankers driving German VKs and the StugIII

[WayAbvPar]

Stug III is a beast!

[Pendan]

On game release I went up the soviet med line and German TD. I did not do well in the Stug III and knew the Jagdpanzer IV was not very good so stopped playing Stug III shortly after getting it fully upgraded. It remains my second worse win ratio tank of tanks with over 100 games. I had similar but slightly better stats with the Hetzer at that time. 4000 games later I rebought the Hetzer and dominated with it. Likely would do well with the Stug III now. Couple problems I had with the Stug III are inexperience and it being so slow until the final engine. I did not have gold and you could not buy gold rounds with silver at that time (which I would also not have been able to afford while trying to move quickly up the tech trees) so missed out on the pre-nerf 10.5 gun usage. I did not even understand its power with the right ammo. I would guess the overall population has similar problems which hurt its results.

[Merusk]

IIRC from earlier in the thread, the Stugs were one of those tanks that were underpowered in the hands of a scrub but shined as a vet.  Guess what most players at T5 are.

[Engels]

Not surprising that the russian tier 10s fall behind. They were the original beasts. The IS4 and IS7 could not be beat. The T110E5 and E100 were created to counter that, and ever since then the russian heavies have been victims of 'dev creep'.

I hope at one point they rejigger the IS4 and make it relevant again. As OP as it once was, its sad to see it sitting in garages of all us old timers, hardly ever taken out.

[WayAbvPar]

Getting a little low on credits, so I thought I would run some premiums this morning. 8 games in my Type 59 and T34. All Tier 8 games (a miracle in itself). Top 3 XP on my team in every game.


Lost EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME. It is unfuckingbelievable how fucking SHITTY the vast majority of the mouthbreathing cretinous playerbase is. About to put my fist through my monitor.

[Merusk]

Your winrate is too high. It must be ADJUSTED.

[Strazos]

I love when I do well in a tank I like, only to be criticized by the losing players because I need to "Use a tank that actually requires skill."

This was in a T49 - fast, but not overpowering, and with paper armor.

[Brolan]

I love when I do well in a tank I like, only to be criticized by the losing players because I need to "Use a tank that actually requires skill."

This was in a T49 - fast, but not overpowering, and with paper armor.

In my clan the T49 is considered OP.

[Nebu]

In my clan the T49 is considered OP.

It's the combination of good vision control and mobility.  It's like the Hellcat in that regard.  They are dominant tanks for their tier when played by someone that understands the game mechanics.

[Abagadro]

Had a great CW match tonight. Had my t57 and we were perfectly positioned to handle a derp rush which they did so we end up in a 12v12 scrum but with our t57s in perfect snipe overlook position (was on the 9 line on Mountain Pass from the south cap) and I went to fire and noting. Click. Click. Click. WTF WHY ISN'T MY GUN WORKING?!? AM I LAGGING?!?!? MY TANK MOVES BUT MY GUN DOESN'T WORK WTF THIS GAME IS TOTALLY FUCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!

Turns out between battles I had somehow messed up the settings and failed to put any button into the command for fire so I literally could not fire my tank. 

We still won though. 

[Nebu]

That must have been a nightmare.  I probably would have broken my mouse. What clan were you fighting?  Anyone noteworthy?

[WayAbvPar]

Had a great CW match tonight. Had my t57 and we were perfectly positioned to handle a derp rush which they did so we end up in a 12v12 scrum but with our t57s in perfect snipe overlook position (was on the 9 line on Mountain Pass from the south cap) and I went to fire and noting. Click. Click. Click. WTF WHY ISN'T MY GUN WORKING?!? AM I LAGGING?!?!? MY TANK MOVES BUT MY GUN DOESN'T WORK WTF THIS GAME IS TOTALLY FUCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!

Turns out between battles I had somehow messed up the settings and failed to put any button into the command for fire so I literally could not fire my tank. 

We still won though. 

Haha holy shit did you happen to have a blood pressure cuff on? I would love to see the readings there 

Is the T57 your go to tank for CW? I have the T100E5 and the Batchat, and am grinding several other 9s (including the T54E1), and am trying to figure out which I will play most often in CW (should my clan decide to get active again).

[Abagadro]

Is the T57 your go to tank for CW? I have the T100E5 and the Batchat, and am grinding several other 9s (including the T54E1), and am trying to figure out which I will play most often in CW (should my clan decide to get active again).

It's very map situational so I don't really have a "go to" per se, but we do use them quite a bit.  The 57 is a really great tank once you get the hang of how to play an autoloader heavy. It has my most experienced crew of any tank in it right now so that makes it fun too.

[Abagadro]

That must have been a nightmare.  I probably would have broken my mouse. What clan were you fighting?  Anyone noteworthy?

We were fighting Mobsterz which is part of the big war we are in right now.  They are probably the 4th level clan of the Evil Gaming alliance so not super-duper but not scrubs either.  We had a really close out-cap game on Malinovka in our encounter and then absolutely crushed them in the Mountain Pass match to take their province because they fell right into our trap. We had 4 e100s at the corner down by the ice road, scouted them early, set up a firing line with 4 t57s and 2 e5s on the ridge back by the cap. They tried to rush the 100s because they didn't see the Americans and got shot to hell. They then pulled back so we pulled all the americans back around through the bowl to pincer them.  Was a turkey shoot.

[Nebu]

Nice strat.  Getting destroyed by unspotted autoloaders is everyone's worst nightmare. 

I've contemplated joining a clan that does clan wars, but am intimidated by the commitment most require.  That and my fear of screwing up the fun of 14 other people.

[WayAbvPar]

Might try some company battles or something and get used to listening to someone call a game (and doing exactly what they ask, no matter how counterintuitive it feels). The biggest crime in CW matches is hesitating to follow orders (or not following them at all). Anything that splits up the DPS expected will be a problem. The good news is it is easy to do and if it goes sideways it is the caller's problem, not yours 

[Abagadro]

It's both fun and stressful in equal measure. When you are getting your teeth kicked in it sucks but CW matches can also be some of the best matches you will ever have.

[WayAbvPar]

Yeah, having a plan work to perfection is amazing. The opposite is also true 

[Nebu]

It's both fun and stressful in equal measure. When you are getting your teeth kicked in it sucks but CW matches can also be some of the best matches you will ever have.

I think my first step is to work on getting up to your level of ability.  Maybe then I can consider CW.